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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:03 am

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:08 am

That is just stupid. Completely stupid. If those people don't want to live around gays, then they should go out with their families on a boat and live in the ocean.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:08 am

No it's not America thankfully, it's just a county ruled by moron that have never grown out of the 1800's.

Typo edited.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:13 am

This is a total non-story cooked up by a bunch of desperate county officials who it seems want attention doled out to them and their useless county.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:14 am

No it's not America thankfully, it's just a county ruled by moron that have never grown up out of the 1800's.

Couldn't be said better than that.

What that County deserves is a HUGE, flamboyant and extremely crowded Gay/Lesbian parade. It would be fun to see their faces.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:22 am

"Rhea County is one of the most conservative counties in Tennessee. It holds an annual festival commemorating the 1925 trial at which John T. Scopes was convicted of teaching evolution."

Wow, and I thought I was traditionalistic.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:23 am

These guys have just created a new reference value by which we can judge stupidity... In the future, when we'll want to characterize something as being absolutely, totally stupid, we'll be able to say: "As stupid as a Rhea County commissioner".

And, as much as I disagree with the Gay Pride Parade concept, that would be something to watch, a Gay Pride Parade in Rhea County...
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:30 am

I have a feeling that Dubya will win big in Rhea County.
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:32 am

Non-issue, especially with the fact that if someone did not know beforehand, how can they kick anyone out without cause?

>> "county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature" <<

so they have not seen the PBS special on two male chimps gettin it on in the wild, NATURALLY? In nature (were talking about non-human animals here), if a two of the same gender were isolated from a group, being gay is naturally expected. They won't look for a female they've never known or met. Don't give me that "how were they born then" crap, I'm talking about short-term. It doesn't have to be widespread to happen. But how do some equate that because it is not seen to happen that often means it is not supposed to confuses me.

>> "Rhea County is one of the most conservative counties in Tennessee" <<

Good for them, I do not care. But, IMO, if they are not Amish, they are frauds.  Wink/being sarcastic

>> "In 2002, a federal judge ruled unconstitutional the teaching of a Bible class in the public schools." <<

Considering there are more than just Christian-born folks in the US, that is justified. I do not want to hear any of that "then go home" crap against US-born non-christians. Maybe you should pry open you eyes.


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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:41 am

Good god. That is ridiculous. America needs to be a place of EQUAL treatment. Not discrimination, but not SPECIAL treatment as gays and lesbians seem to want.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:42 am

Ahhh the south. Gotta love it.  Insane You need a passport to come down here. Hopefully mine will expire soon.

I bet if you ask them why they're doing this, they will tell you that "they're just doing the Lawrd's work".
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:50 am

Whats the problem are only GAY`s alowed to whinge and whine about how hard done-by they are, me-moo-me-moo.

I know some gays and they are the biggest slags around they would sleep with any-one on a one night stand.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 4:54 am

"Not discrimination, but not SPECIAL treatment as gays and lesbians seem to want."

I hate to do this, but what exactly IS this special treatment that we supposedly want? Are we asking for affirmative action hiring policies? No. Then what is this special treatment?

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:04 am

I fear this will turn into a huge flame war. So much I want to say and I hope to be diplomatic about it, even in the responses.

For decades, only hetero couples have been allowed to form partnerships recognized by the government. Homosexual couples are now asking for the same 'special' right. Homosexuals have also asked for the 'special' right to not be discriminated against in the work place and in housing as well.

There are plenty of heteros that slag around from bed to bed, so that point is moot.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:05 am

Never a better thread!

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:09 am

I dont get my girlfreinds pension rights ,i dont get her travel perks,i dont get married mans tax allowances, I wont get her state pension when we retire.

So why should GAY`S get more rights than us please explain!!!
TWO people living together of opposite sex that is what we are .
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:10 am

The thing that bothers me is that people keep equating human with animal. With teh whole "it's natural"argument. This sis definately not the case. We are definately on a higher playing field than animals. I applaud rhead county for taking actions that its citizenry wanted. That is what elected officals do represent teh will of the people that voted for them. I may not agree that we should all live in our seperated communities of homosexual over here, secular humanists over here and so on and so forth. I also resent the statements about southerners. We are not ignorant nor are we stupid. We ahve our own ways fo doing things and thats ok because everyone does things differently.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:12 am

So why should GAY`S get more rights than us please explain!!!
TWO people living together of opposite sex that is what we are .


Firstly, you mean 'gays', not 'gay's'.

Secondly, the concept of civil unions would apply to hetrosexuals too.
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:22 am

777236ER

Firstly;if you want to tell someone off for bad spelling then go to TYSGoVols post and correct his spelling please.

Secondly;"the concept of civil unions would apply to hetrosexuals too."
it dosn`t and never will, you still cant explain why gays should get more rights than couples that are not married.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:23 am

The thing that bothers me is that people keep equating human with animal. With teh whole "it's natural"argument. This sis definately not the case. We are definately on a higher playing field than animals. I applaud rhead county for taking actions that its citizenry wanted. That is what elected officals do represent teh will of the people that voted for them. I may not agree that we should all live in our seperated communities of homosexual over here, secular humanists over here and so on and so forth. I also resent the statements about southerners.We are not ignorant nor are we stupid. We ahve our own ways fo doing things and thats ok because everyone does things differently.

Like spelling for instance? Big grin
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:28 am

EXCUSE ME!!!

Aren't I supposed to get an e-mail if you're changing MY title??? WHO'S THE LUNKHEAD THAT DID THIS??????? IDENTIFY YOURSELF!!!!!  Pissed

Now it's got a stupid title! GAY PEOPLE NOT WELCOME IN AMERICA What the hell if that supposed to mean????!!! What the hell was wrong with the old title??

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:29 am

Very funny !!

If every group or anybody wanted to do anything they wanted we would have anarchy!

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:32 am

Here is how things stand now:

If I were in a long-term relationship, I would be able to put my partner on my insurance coverage and retirement coverage through my job and likewise (I hope) he would too, but we would not have that one piece of paper from the county or state that says we are one. Access to one piece of paper. That is the 'special' right gays are asking for.

Casual dating is completely different and should not fall under this category no matter what the orientation of the couple. I personally feel I am not yet ready to make that sort of commitment. I have had people ask me if I am married yet. Why would I be married? Their answer: 'you can legally get that piece of paper now.' Oh, sure that's a good reason.

Back on topic: Where in Teneessee is this county? What possible reason would they have for banning gays?

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:34 am

Where else but Tennessee...the only backward evolving state.  Smile Birthplace of that company: Cracker Barrel...you know, the one that wanted employees that were even suspected of being gay terminated. And what does Rhea County plan to do with citizens perceived of being gay, let alone the ones who admittedly are?  Insane Perhaps the name of the county should be Neanderthal.  Nuts County Seat: Neanderthalapolis.
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:38 am

Don´t insult the people of Neandertal, a few miles south of Düsseldorf, Germny! (where the bones were first found)

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:47 am

it dosn`t and never will, you still cant explain why gays should get more rights than couples that are not married.

I never said homosexuals should get more rights than hetrosexuals, I think civil unions should apply to both homosexuals and hetrosexuals.
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:52 am

Where else but Tennessee...the only backward evolving state.

Don't forget about Alabama.
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:55 am

So why dont you stick up for the heterosexual couples and then you might get some help and praise and support from more sections of the community instead of bleating on about your hardships.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 5:56 am

"you still cant explain why gays should get more rights than couples that are not married."

We dont have more rights than couples that are not married simply because you can get married and get the same rights. We cannot get married and cant get the rights that come with marriage. If we could get married (i.e., have the same right that you have), then the alternate less-than rights we are granted by some corporations and jurisdictions would be conflated into the marriage right.

You want rights to your girlfriend's pension fund? Marry her.
What you do after that to get her pension fund is entirely your business.
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:02 am

Move to SFO or get re`attached to your normal side!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:07 am

Mrwayne, you will find that you may be covered already under certain laws covering de facto relationships -- there have been many cases where de factos have split up after dozens of years together -- and the de facto can quite possibly have rights to property, etc.

The gay man/woman doesn't even have those de facto rights.

I have to laugh how certain people are totally against gays wanting equal rights under law -- yet what they don't realise is that gays also want equal responsibilities under the law.
 
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:12 am

I need a drink,where`s the bar?
 
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:12 am

So why dont you stick up for the heterosexual couples and then you might get some help and praise and support from more sections of the community instead of bleating on about your hardships.

I'm straight!

It seems that most of the community supports homosexuals.
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:35 am

the concept of civil unions would apply to hetrosexuals too.

To me, that should frighten conservatives a thousand times more than homo unions....

...what incentive will modern young str8 couples have to go for marriage when they now can have Marriage Lite (i.e., civil unions) and probably get out of them a lot easier and with a lot less financial damage; once the inevitable divorce comes about?
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:37 am

On a semi-related note, I noticed something quite interesting as I was working on a paper today. My research has nothing to do with the whole same-gender attraction issue, however, it does requires me to use the American Psychological Association's publication manual. I was looking through the index for something else, and I noticed an entry under gay men. Here is the APA's guidelines on the subject, in part:

"...Sexual behavior should be distinguished from sexual orientation; some men and women engage in sexual activities with others of their own sex but do not consider themselves to be gay or lesbian. In contrast the terms heterosexual and bisexual currently are used to describe both identity and behavior; adjectives are preferred to nouns. Same-gender, male-male, female-female, and male-female sexual behavior are appropriate terms for specific intances of sexual behavior in which people engage, regardless of their sexual orientation (e.g., a married heterosexual man who once had a same-gender encounter)."

Now, I am certainly not citing this as a basis for denial of any rights. However, I did recieve a little flak for claiming that same-gender sexual behavior was separate from identity. I just wanted to say that the APA backs me up. Thank you very much.

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 8:50 am

Well, you've heard the term GAY FOR PAY, haven't you? Big grin
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:02 am

1. Gay for pay, i.e., will screw anything (although I still find it hard to believe that a hetero man would get a woodie from seeing another naked man. All you hets, out there, correct me if I'm wrong).

2. Closeted homo with wife and 2 kids giving blowjobs in the park but still insisting that he's not a 'mo. (110% 'mo, irrespective of what he says).

The power of denial and the lure of the closet are still very strong. Even today.



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Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:49 am

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Gays do not want special treatment, I'm not sure where you got that idea.... We want to be treated like equals. Most companies out there forbid discrimination because of age, race, color, creed etc... but many out there still do not have sexual orientation in there anti-discrimination policy. I don't consider it "special treatment" when I ask my company HR manager about getting that added.

By saying that I cannot legally marry the man that I love just because I'm gay, isn't treating me like an equal. A straight guy can get married 9 times if he wants, and this is perfectly fine and doesn't violate the sanctity of marriage? That just cheapens it if you ask me...
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Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:24 am

The problem is, is that people in America seem to think that taking away rights from the ones that don't fit into the norm, is treating them equally.



America needs to be a place of EQUAL treatment. Not discrimination, but not SPECIAL treatment as gays and lesbians seem to want.

Actually buddy, they want EQUAL rights, equal to heterosexual couples, and our Government doesn't seem to treat people equally because of their sexual orientation.

From my experience, America is very much anti-homosexual.
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:34 am

Gay for pay, i.e., will screw anything (although I still find it hard to believe that a hetero man would get a woodie from seeing another naked man.

Ever seen a gay porn before.......?
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:34 am

Rhea County is in South East Tennessee. I have several friends and a Philosophy prof are from Dayton, and Athens. As for my spelling in teh other post. For some reason i can't edit my post and I appologize for it. I was in a hurry I was in the middle of a class switch and when I get in a hurry I tend to hit other keys with my rather large fingers and for some reason I always have trouble typing the word the it winds up being teh a lot.

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:44 am

ConcordeBoy

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Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:24 pm

I heard about this on a Tampa radio station this morning. Some town official w/ the last name of "Fugate" was wanting to ban gays from living in his county or something. Fugate just sounds like a narrow redneck Tennessean(sp) name. I'm a straight male, however I do not discriminate against homesexuals, they need to be treated as equal as straight people.

Sadly, I have family from that area of Tennessee and they are bible hugging southern baptists that are very anti-gay, anti-black, anti-foreigners. It drives me crazy that people can be so narrow. My grandad and grandma on that side of the family had a homesexual son that died a few years back  Sad and when he came home to visit they made him sit in a designated chair, table, designated plates/silverware ect. They basically segregated him from the rest of the family which I think is totally awful.

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 9:40 pm

I would have to agree that sounds pretty bad. sounds like they forgot about the whole hate the sin not the sinner principle. Truely regretable


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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 10:43 pm

Agreed, Garen. But at the end of the day, they did have the common sense and the wit to put this one out to pasture, so you have to give credit where it is due, too.
 
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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:00 pm

I don't get my girlfriends pension rights ,I don't get her travel perks,I don't get married mans tax allowances, I wont get her state pension when we retire.

So why should GAY`S get more rights than us please explain!!!
TWO people living together of opposite sex that is what we are .


You as a straight couple have access to marry your girlfriend and thus she will be entitled to the benefits you brag about. I.e. it's all up to you to decide. A gay couple in most countries have not got that choice. That is the FUNDAMENTAL difference.

Being a Danish gay man I have married my British partner and we are fully legally recognized as a 'married' couple here in DK - should we however decide to move to the UK - our relationship wouldn't be recognized - no not even in London in Red Ken's book of registrations!

No there is a prime example of inequality for you.

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:19 am

sounds like they forgot about the whole hate the sin not the sinner principle.

Just a general observation here.

This is something I have never understood -- hate the sin not the sinner -- just the wording of it goes against all so-called Christian principles -- I mean what is the operative word in that? HATE

Hate is a very strong word. Only the most perfect person on the planet -- of which there are none -- could say that they could hate the sin not the sinner. To hate a sin, you have to find it so repulsive that it would be near impossible for a human to distinguish between the 'sin' and the 'sinner'.

Think of 11/09/2001 -- under this principle, people would have to hate what bin Laden did, but would have to not hate him.

Personally, I detest what bin Laden did, and I think he is a scumbag who should rot in a cell. But I can say this because I am not a *insert religious following here*. And I would be hard pressed to believe that a person who is religious and is supposed to live under this principle would waiver any further from my opinion -- except some would say he shouldn't rot but should be gassed, electrocuted, etc.

In "principle" its a lovely thought -- but in the real world, it just isn't possible.





 
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Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:40 am

That is what God himself does Russ. He love humanity see john 3:16-17, yet he hates our sin. I equate it with drug addiction you love the person doing however, you disagree with their lifestyle and think it is wrong. So in my statement hate has a different meaning than what you are giving it here. Sorry to burst your bubble man.

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:38 am

Well, first of all, we should eschew the term "hate," as it is not really appropriate. Ergo, instead of saying "love the sinner, hate the sin," we are saying "disapprove of the behavior, not the identity." (See reply 35)

Personally, I fail to see what is so difficult to grasp about the behavior/identity dichotomy. Take the parent-child relationship for example; the parent disciplines the child for undesireable behavior, yet the parent's love for the child is not diminished in the least.

"...under this principle, people would have to hate what bin Laden did, but would have to not hate him."

Yes, very good, although that is much easier said than done. Again, speaking for myself, I believe in a God that is infinitely merciful as well as just. I think that when each of us arrive the "pearly gates" (or whatever symbolism that you use) that God will judge each of us according to our own circumstances.

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RE: Gay People Not Welcome In America

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:04 am

"Now there is a prime example of inequality for you"

You don't never think about your actions.
You can leave anything you like to your "partner" in your will cant you ?

What about the reproduction of the human race ? If we all carried on like that weed be extinct !

Surely your boyfriend has a pension and you have one aswell so what is the problem?

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