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WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:17 pm





I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I stumbled across this story today. WellHung I think you’ll have to get out of everyone else’s way while the brilliant minds at GM tinker around and fix this problem.

Here is the story.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8229282.htm


Posted on Fri, Mar. 19, 2004

GM Recalls 4 Million Pickup Trucks Worldwide


Mar. 19--NEW YORK - General Motors Corp. (GM) said Thursday it is recalling about 4 million pickup trucks worldwide to replace tailgate-support cables that may corrode and break.

The models involved are certain 2000-2004 Chevrolet Silverados and GMC Sierras built between October 1999 and October 2003, and some 2002-2004 Chevrolet Avalanche and Cadillac Escalade EXT trucks built between March 2001 and October 2003, the automaker said.

This brings the number of GM vehicles recalled so far this year to more than 7.5 million.

In the latest recall, GM will replace the existing galvanized, braided-steel support cables with stainless steel cables, free of charge.

If the cables are corroded, they may fracture when loads are applied to the tailgate, GM said. There have been reports of 134 minor injuries related to this but no crashes or fatalities, it said.

Some 3.7 million of the vehicles are in the United States, approximately 325,000 are in Canada, about 93,000 are in Mexico, and the remaining vehicles are outside these countries, it said.

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The ghettoized Cadillac Escalade as well as the Cheverolet/GMC Suburban and Tahoe are not a part of this recall.



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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:19 pm

GM Recalls 4 Million Pickup Trucks Worldwide

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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:19 pm

I am surprised that the other truck makers haven't been hit by this recall.

All of them pretty much have switched over to cables.

My old 81 Ford used a scissors link to support the tailgate. Much better system IMHO, but more expensive to manufacture.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:25 pm

L-188:
My old 81 Ford used a scissors link to support the tailgate. Much better system IMHO, but more expensive to manufacture.

I agree, the scissor link is much better. How much more expensive is it to manufacture?
A scissor link has to be cheaper than a DVD player and TV set. How they found it's way in to pick up trucks is beyond me.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:28 pm

Oh I don't know.

But you figue that each section has to be stamped out of a piece of plate steel, coated, and then riveted together.

With the cable systems all the manufacture has to do is buy a big spool of coated cable from a supplier, and then swag on a couple of ends.

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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:44 pm

I should also add, that you shouldn't be putting a lot of weight on those straps and that tailgate either.

If something is that heavy, pull the tailgate OFF!!!

So see way to many guys up here that have an otherwise very nice truck, but the tailgain has one huge bend in it. Usually because they have been running their snowmobiles up into the bed of the truck.

Those tailgates can't take that kind of weight people.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:53 pm

L-188:
It's those damn urban cowboys!  Pissed
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:54 pm

I just don't see the sense in spending 30 grand on a truck and then destroying the tailgate inside of a winter loading your Polaris 800 on the back.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:01 pm

Didn't GM also have a similar problem with the underside mounted spare tire on some of their trucks and vans, as well? The cable would rust and the spare tire would fall off.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:11 pm

AWspicious:
Yep and they had another major recall with there side mounted gas tanks. They were on the outer side of the frame. When the trucks got hit from the side, it wouldn't be protected causing a huge explosion.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:13 pm

Hey Superfly,

Someone who knows so much about cars and who makes the best ones, as you seem to always indirectly claim, you should know that EVERY manufacturor constantly has recalls.

Do I really have to mention to you that your beloved Ford has had just as many recalls on their vehicles as the seemingly Satan of automakers GM has had?

Everybody makes mistakes, or has idiots who ignorantly cause problems, as some point or another, but you just choose in your biased sense to push that fact only against GM. This is nothing but another biased statement from you against GM.

You see for you, it's simple, GM makes complete crap, Ford makes the heavenly vehicles. You are the enemy for anybody who actually has a sense of intelligence about the auto industry.

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That being someone who's potential basic knowledge is overcome by their biased views, and makes them become excessively ignorant about the subject. This happens all the time, everywhere, in politics, in the air and auto industries, you name it. You are a part of the problem.

What's up with mentioning Wellhung just because he has a Chevy? Can you just not get over the fact that he made a decision to buy, in his opinion, the better vehicle, and that it, God forbid, was NOT a Ford? You must be a really frustrated person to see just as many GM vehicles on the road as Ford.



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Any recall on a vehicle by a manufacturor is a thing to commend, they're being honest and you know they could usually save money and get away with by ignoring it. They're taking responsibilty for their actions, and that's what every company should do.




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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:20 pm

Yeah, but that gas tank thing was also not helped by NBC putting the blasting caps on the sides of their test vehicles when Dateline did the story about them
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:24 pm

NWA742:
Whoa calm down dude. I don't hate GM nor am I pissed at WellHung. I really enjoy reading what WellHung has to post.
The reason many people were ripping on WellHung was his attitude about his truck. That's also a HUGE problem in our society. People feel that they are superior because of the size or price of there vehicle.

GM makes awesome vans. I like the Safari, Astro, Savanna van.
GM has made some of the best cars in the world. Do you remember a thread I started a long time ago call 'General Motors Milestones'?
Haven't you seen me constantly praise the B-Body sedans GM made? (Lot767300ER's Impala)
Ford has made some lousy cars too. The Taurus, Contour and Escorts were embarasments.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:32 pm

Whoa calm down dude. I don't hate GM nor am I pissed at WellHung. I really enjoy reading what WellHung has to post.
The reason many people were ripping on WellHung was his attitude about his truck. That's also a HUGE problem in our society. People feel that they are superior because of the size or price of there vehicle.

GM makes awesome vans. I like the Safari, Astro, Savanna van.
GM has made some of the best cars in the world. Do you remember a thread I started a long time ago call 'General Motors Milestones'?
Haven't you seen me constantly praise the B-Body sedans GM made? (Lot767300ER's Impala)
Ford has made some lousy cars too. The Taurus, Contour and Escorts were embarasments.


Ok Superfly, I admit I was too harsh. The reason being what I said was simply because I thought you were really against GM. I remembered only bad things about GM coming from you, so I kind of went off on you. My apologies!!!

Now that you mention, it, I do know you have excellent taste in performance vehicles. You and I both know that nothing beats American muscle!

I'm also happy I'm not the only one on here who really likes the Astro/Safari line  Smile

About Wellhung, I think you kind of mis-interpreted his attitude. I would also be bragging about my brand new big truck, and how it has a huge V8 and tons of room and power. Everybody will spout off like that after they first buy a vehicle, it's natural!  Smile

So, one again, sorry for my over-reaction!



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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sat Mar 20, 2004 3:37 pm

NWA742:
sorry for my over-reaction

That's OK and I know it's late.  Laugh out loud

I think I may come off a little too harsh on GM. Reason being is that we all know they can do better. There certainly have the resources. Seeing them scap there best vehicles (B-bodies and F-Bodies) and putting tons of resources in to Aztecs and Escalades will anger a lot of car enthusiast.  Smile
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 4:54 am

just my luck...  Crying

Thanks for the heads up Superfly. Fuck waiting for them to contact me - I'm calling the guy today. And, if they sold me the thing less than a week before issuing the press release and mine is one that is being recalled, I'm going to go as batshit as NWA742 in his first post.  Big grin It's not like they found out about the problem that day...
 
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:27 am

GM blows, as well as Chevy.
 
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 12:32 pm

Continental:
Chevy is under the GM umbrella.

WellHung:
Glad to be of service.  Smile


L-188:
About those cables. It's a shame that automakers would cut corners like that. Do you know if the heavy duty trucks still use scissor links?
I can't image the the F-350, GM and Dodge 3500 using the cheaper cables on there heavy duties.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:11 pm

I am going to say no.

I know for a fact that both the now old 96-94 Heritage F-150 body style and the 250/350 trucks actually use the same tailgate.



With the new 2004 Fords they have that deeper box, so I am pretty sure they are not the same, but when I was shopping for mine I didn't really look at the new ones that much, so didn't get a chance to open the tailgate.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:16 pm

L-188:
......they have that deeper box

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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:27 pm

Well you do want to make sure that the vehicle can receive an adequte payload.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:29 pm

Understood.  Smile

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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Sun Mar 21, 2004 11:26 pm

I blame the liberal media.
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 2:52 am

A few words about tailgate cables; GM's problem is that the supplier-sourced cables eventually fail the fatigue/corrosion specifications, especially when the coating is perforated.

And, about cables vs. scissors hinges; yes the cable system is less expensive but is much more convenient when pickups are used in farm and business when one desires to remove and store the tailgate. IF the cables are manufactured reliably, they are much less subject to damage than scissors hinges when the gate is in normal use or not. As far as supporting weight, properly designed cable and anchor systems are just as load-bearing as scissors hinges; just ask the guy that designed the Golden Gate Bridge. Regards...Jack
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:31 am

Cptkrell:
properly designed cable and anchor systems are just as load-bearing as scissors hinges; just ask the guy that designed the Golden Gate Bridge

Darn he's dead now!  Sad
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:53 am

'Fly..."Darn he's dead now!"

But he designed and built it right and it's been maintained right!  Smile Jack

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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 8:15 am

Let me look out my window real quick to see if it's still standing.














Yep, it's still standing.  Smile
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 9:11 am

Everyone knows vauxhall are best so stop crying people anyways who is Chevy when there at home anyways. Ford just suck period everyone I have ever been in was mince!
 
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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:41 pm

GM's problem is that the supplier-sourced cables eventually fail the fatigue/corrosion specifications, especially when the coating is perforated.

Exactly the problem. But I don't see how in the course of normal "wear and tear" those cable coatings not get perforated. Unless you are a soccer mom who never puts the tailgate down (Why do you own a P/U?) But everybody in my family hauls too much abrasive and rough stuff like lumber, machinery, gravel ect. not to totally destroy those cables over time. Kind of like dents in the bed, You don't want them but they are a fact of life.

Of course that lets water into the metal wires of the cables which causes corrosion, which weakens the cable itself, and loosens the swaging that connects the cable to the end because corrosion causes expansion, just like ice, which also helps destroy those cables since when it gets below freezing and forces the wires and the swaging apart also.

Eventually both those forces will weaken it to the point where the swaging fails, since it is basically a pressure fit. The swaging is squeezing around the cable to hold it tight. You loosen a pressure fit anything and it will fail.

You will also note that a lot of the cable fittings on the golden gate are not swagged by clamped, like fittings on a boat. They don't wear the same as a swagged fitting and can be checked and retightened. That is why most boat cable fittings are swagged fittings either. I am sure that new coat of paint the GG gets every year also helps control corrosion.

I don't particularly buy into the argument that scissors arms are harder to take off a truck then a cable tailgate. Had to do it too many times in the past.

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RE: WellHung's New Truck Is Being Recalled

Mon Mar 22, 2004 1:43 pm

Yeah, Ford does suck. My parents have a 98' Villager with a Jappanese designed Nissan Maxima engine and transmission. After 120,000k miles, absolutely nothing wrong with either the engine or transmission. Almost every year they have to bring in the van for repairs, yesterday it was the burned out light-bulb, last year it was the fuel pump and power steering, now the power locks are malfunctioning, and guess what, all that crap is made by FORD. All of those little things that are made by Ford are just total trash, atleast the Japanese engine and transmission are still in perfect working order.

Their next car will not have any trace of Ford, or for that matter, any American parts of any kind, neither will mine.
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