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Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:15 am

I just don't get it.  Angry

Perhaps one of you can enlighten me (*paging Pigneil...*)

JCS17, of all people, made me think of a recurring theme: why do so many in the "gay community" glorify HIV infection/AIDS like it's such a great thing... or some sort of rite of gay passage?!






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Take this crap for example:
http://www.gay.com/content/slideshow/?coll=236&navpath=/channels/health/hiv/medicine/slideshow

Caption reading:
"They're smart, they're sexy, they're HIV-positive and they know what they like! Welcome to the "up" side of the gay coin -- 14 of our dreamiest poz Personals members who speak their mind while showing off their ... smiles

Cruise through our slideshow -- or seach through Gay.com Personals and score yourself a well-rounded hunk or two. Upgrade your Gay.com Personals account to Premium and you can even get a gander at some of the things Mama warned you about.

Think you're hot enough to be in the next Hot poz slideshow? Shoot us an e-mail here. We invite all HIV-positive Gay.com Personals members to submit themselves, regardless of gender, orientation or ethnicity.
"

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How @#$%^& depressing is that?!  Sad  Crying  Angry
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:25 am

From that quote you posted, it appears to be an advertising gimic. It's pathetic, but that is all it is. I doubt people in general are that way, I certainly doubt "So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle"

It's an Ad, don't jump to conclusions; tell that to Jcs17 sometime...

Although, there are people in the world who glorify dying via self-inflicted suicide bombs as opposed to nature related diseases. Do you blame them?
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:29 am

I can see why this looks crazy. I think what this is doing is showing that people with HIV don't sit in a hospital, alone, for the rest of their lives. That people (not just gays) who have HIV can live almost normal lives for a very long time. That you don't have to be a depressed sole and be singled out.

I don't think its glorifying HIV at all!!! Its not saying to run out and get infected because its a glorious life and things are better with it. Its not that at all!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:31 am

It is depressing. Unfortunately, since HIV is now treated as a chronic condition (much like diabetes, hypertension, etc.) rather than a fatal condition, some people seem to think it's not a big deal, so they have this twisted logic that they should just get it and then they can stop worrying about getting it.

As a recent transplant to NYC, my perception is that one should assume everyone here has it. Before moving here, I always tried to have that philosophy anyway, as it motivates one to protect oneself. But it's really necessary to think that way here, as sadly, the majority of gay men in the city DO have it.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:32 am

Its not saying to run out and get infected because its a glorious life and things are better with it.

While I realize what you're saying... I sometimes wonder if it's still the case:

A few months ago, I was boredly watching the general chat on gay.com, when on comes a 19yr-old (supposedly healthy) specifically seeking an HIV infected partner. Why, I and many others ask? ...because he thinks it's inevitable to queers, so just wants to get it over with.


Insane? Perhaps. Growing in commonality? I sometimes really wonder  Sad
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:38 am

Well, the 19-year old has other issues then and is uneducated. I have the feeling that some gays see it as an excuse and just an easier way to deal with being gay. "My life is over because I'm gay and even more over because I could get HIV like any other person in this world, so I just give up" kinda attitude. Yes.....sad......and only causes more problems. I think it stems from lack of education.
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:00 am

>> "Well, the 19-year old has other issues then and is uneducated" <<

What are you assuming?

Maybe those with the disease are 'real gays' as opposed to those without the disease that are doing it for fun and not serious about a relationship. Maybe you'd rather be with someone who may not have to live long enough to morn over your death. Do any of us know these people, no. Can we make conclusions based on what they are saying? More info is needed to make them conclusive.

Again, I think that is an ad and the person that you claim to have seen might be the minority in the minority who believes HIV is cool. Don't take things for their face value, take their real value.

>> "I think it stems from lack of education" <<

IMO, that defines the creation of terrorism...but in terms of HIV, boths sides need educating, better drugs do not replace education. I do not see many folks shooting themselves up with Anthrax (not the band - I like them though  Smile )
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyl

Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:08 am

I don't think it was meant to put a positive (no pun intended) spin on having HIV because I imagine 95% (if not more) of those who are infected wish they weren't. And one of the main reasons for that is the social stigma that comes along with having HIV. The gay community is already pretty small and then when you have something like HIV it becomes that much smaller. Sure, most people won't care if one of their friends is positive. I mean, it's sad to see what they have to do and it's a reminder (hopefully) to protect yourself. However, for a positive (often referred to as 'poz' in slang) to date it's much harder. Very few people would risk a relationship with someone who's positive because they don't want to risk contracting the disease themselves. Therefore, HIV-positive people have to, in a sense, seek out other positive people for dating and relationships. I don't think gay.com, of all places, would be glorifying HIV and being positive. While I don't necessarily agree with all that gay.com does I do know that they would not exist if they actually supported such issues. The fact is, despite being relatively small, they gay community is spread across the economic and social disapora. You can't lump us into one set group because there will always be those that break the mould. Organizations like gay.com try and act as a bridge to bring us together by trying to put attention on all aspects of gay life...one of which is being HIV-positive. I don't think they were trying to put a spin on being positive like "Hey, we're positive! Look how fabulous it is!" but rather "Hey, I'm positive and so aren't my friends here and we just want to show people that being positive is not a death sentence (though I will one day die from it) and, if possible, I'd like to meet other positive people".

But, I think it this shows exactly what gay.com does. It has shown ConcordeBoy that there are other facets of gay life other than the clubby twinks, the pretty A&F crowd, the S&M crowd, and other "mainstream", visible groups. People often have the misconception that being gay you have to be this way or that way (which, gay or straight, is true to a certain extent) but that there are also groups of people, through extenuating circumstances, may fit into one of those groups but may also fit into others as well.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:53 am

ConcordeBoy

Curiosity got the better of me, I simply have to ask: Do you plan on a career in politics? Me thinks so. You have applied a method quite often used by politicians. Asking a question --- and presenting the contents as a fact.

By asking: "Why do so many gays glorify HIV?" you imply that factually many gays do glorify HIV. Is this true? Do you have any proof?

Shouldn't the proper wording have been: "Do many gays glorify HIV?", I wonder.

Rhetoric abilities should be used very wisely, otherwise they lead to dangerous rumours.

Personally, I would never even dream of asking "Why is ConcordeBoy always so rude?". People with a simple mind would forget after a while that it was just a question - and only recall the statement that ConcordeBoy is rude. And we wouldn't want anyone to believe that, would we?

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:45 am

Do you plan on a career in politics?

Eventually, maybe... but doubt it



you imply that factually many gays do glorify HIV

I most certainly do [imply that]



Is this true?

I'd say it is



Do you have any proof?

At this point, probably none that could be deemed "indesputable"... but given due time/diligence, could prolly come up with enough as to sufficiently validate the general implication.



"Why is ConcordeBoy always so rude?"

...he's got French blood, why else?  Laugh out loud



and only recall the statement that ConcordeBoy is rude

I prefer the term "brutally honest"  










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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:05 am

ConcordeBoy
Now I am even more intrigued:

If what you say is true

""Why is ConcordeBoy always so rude?"

...he's got French blood, why else?""


you should be one of the most charming persons on the net. Remember, that the words charme and etiquette are not only French by origin - but also very indispensible by nature for everybody coming from "La Grande Nation".

But then again, it was a question I would never ask, as it would be very rude. My French ancestors would most certainly turn in their graves if I ever forgot my good manners. It was only an example of how the way of phrasing a question can influence the reader/listener.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyl

Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:05 am

I agree that the advertising is just a gimmick. Its on par with a porn site advertising nasty fetishes like golden showers or shit-fetishes. But I see your point on one thing. People that get HIV through irresponsible behavior for some reason get a pass. You don't see that kind of sympathy for drunks that are injured in crashes or smokers that get lung cancer. HIV has to be one of the easiest fatal diseases to avoid getting yet people that have it are treated like they had leukemia.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:58 am

It shows that there are serious problems with basic sex ed and HIV outreach services if people think they've got little to fear once they are poz. Having unprotected sex with other positive guys raises the possibility of a "superinfection" of two different strains of HIV, which has been documented in increasing numbers. Then you're really screwed.
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyl

Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:11 am

Look guys...

I had a friend, a close friend, who got AIDS back when people were still afraid of the disease being transmitted through casual contact. He was fired from his job as a financial advisor at a major New York bank when they found out he had AIDS.

There are still people out there who are incredibly ignorant about how one gets AIDS. Yes, my friend was a homosexual and probably contracted AIDS through sex with another male; yes, I saw his disease as a consequence of his actions (but NOT as a punishment for it); but he was a good person, a trustworthy advisor and a very special friend to me.

The point is, Alan deserved to be treated like a human being, not a reservoir of disease. He took precautions to make sure he didn't pass on the disease to anyone else. He took medication. He told people who did need to know.

In the last five months of Alan's life, he risked a lot for me. The man was dying of AIDS, and the last place an AIDS patient wants to be is in a hospital (unless a patient him/herself.) Yet Alan came to a hospital and snuck all the way in to the recovery room after I had surgery, just to be there for me. He fed me dinner once I was moved up to the surgical floor. His caring nature overrode his desire for self-preservation.

Alan died just short of his 40th birthday.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyl

Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:23 am

My take on the ad is simple. People with incurable diseases which are sexually transmitted should not totally put their life on hold. This particular ad deals with HIV, there are similar boards out there for people with Herpes and a few other diseases.

If both people in the couple have the incurable STD they can have sex like normal people without fear of catching something they already have.
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:33 am

I always thought you were straight. I don't think anyone glorifies or brags about HIV. However your right I'm not sure why they have that advertising it seems pretty stupid. People with HIV are people too but of all things highlight thats not one of them.
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:41 am

Another interesting topic.....

The ads are probably just another porn promo but there could be another reason.

My roomate is HIV+. He works 12+ hours a day and is living a good life
considering. No he did not make the choice to contract HIV, but he has
made the choice to not sleep around.

Those with HIV have sexual needs like anyone else. Dont you think
the ads are to help those that are responsible enough not to pass
it one to someone not +?....hhmmmmm
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:46 am

The sad, blunt awful truth is that it's not the gays that glorify HIV, but the pharmaceutical companies and the advertising agencies that represent them. I have a partner of 8 years, and six years ago he was diagnosed and thank God it was early. He's had a couple of minor set-backs, but over all, his viral load is almost undetectable and T cell count is almost excellent for someone in his condition. I'm sure he along with MANY other people would only be to happy to dispel the glorification angle.  Insane
Gay's don't glorify HIV, the tradgedy is that even today many people, GAY and Straight are unfortunately very complacent about it. If you want to point the finger of GLORIFICATION, it should be pointed at ad execs. and drug companies. AND they perpetuate the myth that "hey, even if I do get it, they have all these great drugs and cocktails out now...it won't be a big deal".  Nuts
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:17 am

Umm, from my experience I've never known any gay person who does.

This 'bug chaser' phenomenon is a few years old, and I think most of the hype around it is the media's fault. If a young gay person feels alienated, and thinks that by intentionally getting infected will bring him into a community where he feels a sense of belonging and self-worth, then he should probably 1) spend a few months in therapy, exploring his lack of self esteem; 2) spend a few more years in the gay community & get a little more life experience, and 3) maybe volunteer at a local HIV advocacy & support group to see what he's really getting into.

I came out 20 years ago (at 14) just as HIV began to spread. 20 years later I've lost 5 friends, but I'm close with way more than 5 survivors, and have managed to stay negative. It's pretty sad that younger gay men just coming out actually see this as a potential solution - and sadly points to a somewhat oversexed community that seems to have such incredibly shallow values on the surface.

(disclaimer - I know that last sentence is loaded, but it's also true and I worded it very carefully - so please think twice & re-read it before flaming me.)
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:52 am


Concordeboy,

First of all, why were you reading articles on http://www.gay.com? Is that where you spend your free time?

It is possible that the articles you have mis-interpreted were intended to offer some hope and alternatives for these people to consider (trying to still have fun and remain active in the world, for example). I would hardly call that "glorifying" a disease.

How many thousands of articles have been written about people coping with cancer, where the state-of-mind and level of exercise were mentioned as helpful ways to fight the disease? Yet, you focused on AIDS?

A psychiatrist would have a field-day with your observations and would ask you to study why you are projecting on this subject. Don't know what that means? Look it up. It is fascinating.




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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:03 pm

Guys: Not speaking for Concordeboy (God knows-he's quite capable on his own)  Laugh out loud He's just expressing frustation on what the ads project...And he has a valid point. Who cares if he saw it on Gay.com, Out.com, SouthernVoice or any other published magazine? He is bringing a valid point to the table and these ads do just that: they perpetuate the myth. Advertising is a very stong vehicle and of course the media utililzes it. Example: In OUT magazine, there are some tasteful ads. And some that kind of "push the envelope" for all kinds of products. They're selling to a selective audience and the gay population is not immune or an exception. Subaru has a ad for a SUV and there's this hot guy in that ad. To lead the consumer to quander: Wow, if I buy the SUV will I get him or some one who looks like him? OR, is he just included with the purchase?  Big grin And yeah, I see his point.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:04 pm

Alan died just short of his 40th birthday.

It sounds like you had the very best kind of friend, Redn'. I am very sorry for your loss.

God bless,

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:41 pm

First of all, why were you reading articles on http://www.gay.com? Is that where you spend your free time?

LOL, its only probably the highest traffic gay website in existence...
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:03 pm

CPDC10-30,

What does that have to do with my question?

Are you saying that ConcordeBoy is gay, and therefore it makes sense that he should see www.gay.com often? Those things do not always line up like that.

If he is gay, I didn't know that. But nothing surprises me.

His original post was written from the perspective of a homophobe.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:51 pm

Concord977,

I think you nailed it right on the head. This post reeks of it (projection). Can anyone say Freudian Defense Mechanisms??
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:50 am

My French ancestors would most certainly turn in their graves if I ever forgot my good manners.

Oh pish posh-- the only way those @#$%^s of mine would turn in their graves; would be with me at the helm of a 30ton 'dozer............ ah, fantasy  Laugh out loud



back when people were still afraid of the disease being transmitted through casual contact.

Back when?

While of course it's generally accepted that the virus cannot be contracted through general casual contact... I'm willing to wager that most conservative types are still far too uncomfortable to routinely interact in close contact with the diseased on a regular basis. 'Course, that's coming from a Southern perspective  Yeah sure



yes, I saw his disease as a consequence of his actions (but NOT as a punishment for it)

Consider yourself progressive... the latter perception typically is envisioned by those mentioned in my previous (above) statement




It's pretty sad that younger gay men just coming out actually see this as a potential solution - and sadly points to a somewhat oversexed community that seems to have such incredibly shallow values on the surface.

Well said... I couldn't possibly agree with you more.





I always thought you were straight.

If he is gay, I didn't know that. But nothing surprises me.


Not quite sure how you could be surprised after this...?  Laugh out loud





This post reeks of it (projection). Can anyone say Freudian Defense Mechanisms??

'Course, had you not assumed a diagnosis completely sans general knowledge of the subject (i.e., me) at hand... ya just might have been able to convince someone that you know a blessed thing about psychology  Big grin
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:44 am

ConcordeBoy,

I took a look at "this" as you suggested. One mystery solved. The other? Not so much.

All the best . . .
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:59 am

the "other" being...?
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 4:26 am

This is old news but it still makes me sad. There are so many guys out there that feel they will be infected so why not just do it and get it over with and there are other young guys that think they are cheating death. Some people that are HIV+ never wanted it in the first place and did everything to avoid it while trying to live their life.

My experience with gay.com: it is a hook-up joint. You want to get some? Go to gay.com. But beware: *NEWS FLASH* not everyone on the net is honest! I have issues with that site. If you are gay and want a serious relationship, go to a club, a gay meeting place or talk to friends. Some of my best relationships have been through friends or from meetings at clubs.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:11 am

If you are gay and want a serious relationship, go to a club



Ah yes...



...liquored up, Xed-out, parent-dependent techno-twinks tend to make such stable partners  Yeah sure  Crying


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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 5:20 am

This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever read in my life, and I'm especially offended by the fact it was started by a gay poster.

Nobody WANTS HIV, and nobody wants to glorify it. The fact is, life with HIV is different now than it was in the 80s, and there's a certain set of ad campaigns to improve the view the world has of HIV patients, and to lift the spirits of those who already have it.

In the past, HIV treatment was so damaging to the patient that many infected individuals chose to skip the treatment altogether and then just die when it got too bad. Now, the treatment is far less invasive to the body and can literally allow you to live a full lifespan if the disease is identified early.

Its important that people accurately identify themselves and seek treatment ASAP, and such "glorification" makes them feel more comfortable about doing it. Its also important that people identify themselves so they can tell future sex partners honestly that they know they do/do not have it.

If you are gay and want a serious relationship, go to a club, a gay meeting place or talk to friends.

Heh this sounds funny on the surface, but I did meet my partner at a club.

Gay people don't have the same societally reinforced mechanisms for meeting future romances. You can't just stumble across a boy on the street, fall in love at first sight, and pursue him with a high success rate like most straight people can. You don't see the lone boy in the library working late and take a shine to him, because there's a 90% chance he can't reciprocate.

Clubs and specifically gay social functions are the only real networking we have.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:44 am

I'm going to have to agree with ConcordeBoy on this one.

I find that a lot of poz men act like they're special because they've got something that the rest of us don't. It's like they've got their own little club.

I think the sex might be part of it. They think that they can go around screwing other poz guys bareback, and they look down on those of us that use condoms. Some of it might be a sort of coping mechanism. I mean, I'm sure that if some people find out that they're going to die, they try to attach a positive spin to things, as it may be. But that sure doesn't explain the people--there aren't a lot of them, but they certainly exist--who go out and intentionally get themselves infected just to be cool.

Whatever the reason for it, I find that a lot of gay men do indeed glorify being HIV-positive.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:20 am

and I'm especially offended by the fact it was started by a gay poster

why?



Nobody WANTS HIV, and nobody wants to glorify it.

Disagree with both... and only after witnessing it with my own eyes more than once  Crying



It's like they've got their own little club.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:03 am

Umm, ConcordeBoy, I can't help but feel a bit justified at the comment:

and I'm especially offended by the fact it was started by a gay poster

Remember your "Straight Eye for the Queer Guy" thread a while back? Before I knew what team you played for, I found your choice of words extremely bizarre (as if coming from some HUGE homophobe) - basically from your use of the term "p*ssy fags", which was your choice of words, not a quote.

So maybe try to keep that in mind when writing...umm, I don't think you're one of those homophobic homos (please reassure us in future posts...?)
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:37 pm


It would be easy to find fault with ConcordeBoy's views because, on the surface they seem to contradict OUR perception of how a gay man should feel.

It seems that ConcordeBoy is both pleased with his orientation (as indicated by the "flaming" photo in another post) AND it seems that he sees a lot in gay culture that doesn't represent what he is all about.

It can be easy to put all gay men into a box, and assume that all their traits and habits are interchangeable. But I do know for a fact that this is not true.

ConcordeBoy, you confuse me with every post ... But I continue to read and study.



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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:43 am

So maybe try to keep that in mind when writing...umm, I don't think you're one of those homophobic homos (please reassure us in future posts...?)

He IS one of those homophobic homos. A testament to the Catholic church's good deeds on people's minds.  Laugh out loud

Disagree with both... and only after witnessing it with my own eyes more than once  

I can't speak to the specific mental disabilities of some people, but I can say it certainly is not the norm.

It's like they've got their own little club.

Of course they do. They've been infected with a life altering illness. Their ability to cope with their environment is being eroded by a foreign body floating around in their bloodstream.

They have to cope.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:03 am

It seems that ConcordeBoy is both pleased with his orientation

uh............. no comment  Yeah sure



AND it seems that he sees a lot in gay culture that doesn't represent what he is all about.

Bingo. You're spot on with that one.





(as indicated by the "flaming" photo in another post)

ConcordeBoy, you confuse me with every post


...apparently, that post was no exception---- you might wanna check what was written directly under the flames.  Big grin




He IS one of those homophobic homos.

5th!  Laugh out loud



A testament to the Catholic church's good deeds on people's minds.

What's the Catholic church have to do with any of this  Confused
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gigneil
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:29 am

Your homophobic homoism.

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:50 am

Explain post #37 please... dont get that one either.
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gigneil
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:52 am

I was answering what the Catholic church had to do with this. It warped your mind and made you a homophobic homo.  Big thumbs up

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sat Mar 27, 2004 12:02 pm

I'm especially offended by the fact it was started by a gay poster.

Wouldn't it have been more offensive if I'd started the topic?
 
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:06 am

I was answering what the Catholic church had to do with this. It warped your mind and made you a homophobic homo.

Considering that I think the Catholic church is a more entertaining joke than the entirety of "Chappelle Show".... I still fail to comprehend your statement  Yeah sure
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Lucky727
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyl

Sun Mar 28, 2004 5:42 am

C'boy - you're young, still (if your profile is correct?)

Cut everyone a bit of slack. I remember going through the same phase of loathing the community - a frustration at feeling left out & not being represented.

I eventually realized just exactly where I fit in...and gay media was never helpful. It was more misleading & consumer driven, at best.

Find your niche slice of the pie...and then do your thang. You're expecting too much from a huge range of people who most likely have little else in common.

I'm sure there's no end to the pleasures to be found in the big easy............

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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:06 am

C'boy - you're young, still (if your profile is correct?)

I'm 22, for whatever that's worth



Cut everyone a bit of slack.

Based on what merit?



I remember going through the same phase of loathing the community

Mine's already lasted over a decade, with absolutely no indication of dissipating, making it the majority of my time on Earth. How 'bout yours...? (something of a serious question)



Find your niche slice of the pie...and then do your thang

Already found... I cannot.
Shut up Gigneil  Yeah sure



I'm sure there's no end to the pleasures to be found in the big easy............

Ah yes, one of the western hemisphere's leading cities in venereal infection per capita... but at least you're correct.
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyl

Sun Mar 28, 2004 6:32 am

As requested...

'22' is worth about a dollar-fifteen. As I'm sure you'll find offense, youth is prized but not worth so much, actually. Sorry.

Cut everyone a bit of slack, based on the merit of 'We're all in this together' - and I guarantee you'll be surprised & impressed....eventually.

Your period of loathing has a best-before date. When that yogourt turns green, you'll have arrived...

Gotta run & do a bit of zhuzhing - theatre date with the bf to see the latest production of the Laramie Project tonight.

If you'd like to discuss these issues further, I'd welcome an email thru my profile.

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ConcordeBoy
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 7:49 am

As I'm sure you'll find offense

Why would I take offense to a concept that's proven true more often than not? Sad point is, with homos... their mental state rarely progresses much further, despite whatever temporal "maturity" they may have managed to achieve.  Sad




based on the merit of 'We're all in this together'

Difficult to do, considering that you've just nailed the root of my utter disregard and contempt for 99% of gay males to begin with



and I guarantee you'll be surprised & impressed

No offense, but your guarantee [specifically in terms of this matter] holds about a much value as that which you detailed of age



you'll have arrived

...at the same wretchedly godawful fate that awaits most [male] homos? Unfortunately, yes I know  Crying
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 9:58 am

Whoa! There's some bitterness there that reachs WAY past gay.com  Insane
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 11:07 am


ConcordeBoy is choosing his own path. It sounds like self-loathing, but it may actually be his chosen destiny.

Gay people tend to not treat others well - and they especially don't treat each other well.

So in that regard, he's already joined the club.

Since he has already resigned himself to " ... at the same wretchedly godawful fate that awaits most [male] homos? Unfortunately, yes I know ... ", maybe we should all chip in and buy him his IV equipment, hospital bed and a do-it-yourself will kit.





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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:41 pm

maybe we should all chip in and buy him his IV equipment, hospital bed and a do-it-yourself will kit.

Actually l was thinking more along the lines of perpetual solitude despite zillions of "partners" thoughout life.... but the above seems to be a close enough second.  Big grin  Sad
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RE: Why Do So Many Gays Glorify HIV, As A Lifestyle?!

Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:45 pm


It does strike me as humorous when people refer to their mates as "life-partners", considering that most of them are on #8 or #9.

Ooops, I'm sliding into the very cynicism that I condemn!




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