Pe@rson
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Beauty = Special?!

Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:37 pm

I have never understood why some people think that beautiful people are more special than those who are not, umm, so 'lucky'. In my opinion, beauty can merely be skin deep, for it is totally feasible that the ‘beautiful’ person could be nasty, unkind, even evil. He or she could have the personality of a gold fish and be as thick as a piece of wood. Beauty should be taken with a pinch of salt. When I see some very good-looking person walking down the street, I don't immediately think he or she is extra special, because it's quite possible than he or she is not in other ways.

Hmm. Yeah.
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Kay
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:03 pm

I totally agree with you.

Then there's the other side of every human being. Each and every one of use has it... You just get attracted by what you *see*. Maybe you get weak sometimes, or for other reasons, you just slip. You'd like to have that beautiful looking someone only for yourself.

Then your brain kicks in and tells you that whatever you are amazed about right now will bore you down the road. There better be something else you'll care about. And that is entirely true. It is amazing how the same pretty eyes can appear so desirable at early times, yet so dull at other, later stages.

Still, it is the secret wish of all of us to have someone elegant looking in their life. Yet I am sure I can love someone as deeply even if not.

kay
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:44 pm

"Beauty should be taken with a pinch of salt."

I absolutely agree. My friends and I have a theory about this; beauty is a vector, not a scalar. In other words, we think that it is important to be attracted to the people that we date, however, it is not the deciding factor. The personality is of ultimate importance.

Which brings me to what I call the "50/50" rule for dating. When considering whom to ask out, either I think the girl is attractive, or I do not. If I do think they are attractive, then the girl who is just merely "kind of cute" is just as good as the supermodel (that is, if I could ever get a supermodel type to take me seriously). It levels the playing field--the girl with the best personality will always win.

'Speed
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:44 pm

It has been drawn to my attention (from a certain JTW) that this thread could have been seen as being a bit weird. Worry not, as I was just thinking about the subject earlier. I am not ill and I have not been smoking anything.  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:44 pm

What is beauty anyway? Facial features? Or body shape? Big boobs? Nice bottom?

Speaking of beauty, the TV show "Average Joe" is on here in Sweden... Anybody that has seen it, and knows how it turns out?

Last night the girl (can't remember her name) sent three guys home, and kept three... And than they (the production company) invited three male models to compete with the average Joes over the girl...

Will charm ever win over looks?
Will love ever win over money?
Will nice guys ever win over the "dangerous" ones?


Girls over here say something like: Men are like toilets, either they are occupied or full of sh*t.

I say, girls are like monkeys, they prefer not to let go of the one branch before they have a good grip round the other...
Read between the lines.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 12:00 am

I think this thread needs pictures

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MEA310
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 1:54 am

Actually I came up with an equation(things turning to math here! Big thumbs up) opposed to that proposed by Pe@rson:Beauty=weird&stupid.
There's this beautiful girl at my school who fits this equation a 100%!Her beauty had always attracted me & my friends,until recently I had the chance to watch her closely,& damn she's stupid!
It's not all about beauty nor is it all about personality,I agree with NormalSpeed with the 50/50 rule.It's both beauty & intelligence that should attract you to like other people.I hear people say "it's all about personality";while I do agree that personality is relatively important,so is beauty,you can't date a monkey that's intelligent or whatever..!

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Pe@rson
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:14 am

Nooo - I'm not saying beauty necessarily equals weirdness and stupidity. I am saying that most people seem to think that just because a lass is very good-looking, she is extraordinarily special. I don't think it's so clear-cut, for looks are not everything and she could, of course, have a rubbish personality, be completely dumb, even be a mass murderer. Who knows? The key, of course, is getting to know her.

While I realise that looks are very important to begin with (for it is often what you first realise about them) and that in a relationship there must be attraction, I am simply saying that things like personality and compatability increase in importance as you get to know the person, with looks diminishing. For example, if you were dating a supermodel who had very little personality, was boring, was really up herself, was really selfish, etc., you would probably not continue the relationship merely because of her looks.
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:41 am

One of my favorite sayings that I came up with:

"She's not cute enough to be that dumb"

In my entire life I have maybe only ever known 1 girl who was both hot and smart, she went on to be an aerospace engineer from some silly school in michigan.

Usually in the girls I chase after I have to compromise looks vs brains. I have yet to find the happy middle ground where I get enough of both to make myself remotely happy.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:50 am

An interesting twist i have noticed, is that if somebody is good looking some people presume that they cant surely be clever or have an interesting personality or even be a nice person.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:54 am

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to spot a trend. talk to 100 really hot girls, you will probably find 99 of them are lucky they don't drown from looking up in a thunderstorm. Then you will find that 1 who may be the smartest person in the world. I try to keep an open mind but it sucks constantly getting let down as far as a girls brain power goes.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:25 am

talk to 100 really hot girls, you will probably find 99 of them are lucky they don't drown from looking up in a thunderstorm.

Course, should you actually speak to 100 really hot girls (which apparently excludes the majority of you reading this).... you'd find that the above quoted stereotype is completely overblown; and like anyone who's only experienced a single aspect of a social extreme, they'd often like to be appreciated/recognized for their mind or anything else other than their looks
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:28 am

Aren't you gay?


Actually I do have the rare ability (on this board) to talk to girls, hot or not, I just treat them like anybody else and don't focus on if I want to get in their pants or not. In my experience the 99-1 holds up pretty well, give or take a few.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:37 am

To be fair, I now a lot of gorgeous girls who are very clever. I'd say the ratio is no different to every other girl. It is usually a slightly different attitude that accompanies good looks.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:56 am

Yeah the attitude is a big difference. The good looking girls know they are good looking and many times take on this bitchy i don't have to talk to you sort of attitude. After finding someone I know is like that I usually give them the same treatment when they think because they are hot I will help them out after they treated me like shit earlier. They may be smart or they may be dumb, but having an attitude like that equates to dumb in my book.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:06 am

many times take on this bitchy i don't have to talk to you sort of attitude.

'course, many times males (and indeed other [hetero] females as well) automatically attribute this type of behavior to beautiful ladies without a shred of evidence (on the chicks' behalves) to suggest it.

Perhaps my experiences are unique, but I'd say the prettiest most mild-mannered ladies are also the loneliest.
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:10 am

I understand I make LHMark look like a hottie but I have zero luck across the board most times getting anywhere with a girl who has half a brain, is decent looking, and is NOT crazy. I try fat ones, skinny ones, ugly ones, hot ones, average ones, dumb ones, smart ones and I have very little luck other than them just wanting to be my friend.

those 3 things would seem simple to find, but its really not.

I don't discriminate based on looks, my current girlfriend is no model, I am fast realizing she talks a good game in the brain department but when you get past the surface shes not all that bright
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:19 am

Pe@rson

I meant for "beauty=weird&stupid" to be my equation,sorry for the confusion.

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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:20 am

many times take on this bitchy i don't have to talk to you sort of attitude.

most people that say this have never tried to talk to the accused. thats what burns me. people assume that because i dont talk to them that i must not like them. i dont talk to them because i dont know them/have anything to talk about. same goes for my female friends who are total hotties. guys dont talk to them, and other girls think they are bitches because they stand there 'modeling' and not talking to anyone else. well hello they would talk to anyone who came up and had the balls to talk to them, and second, yeah some of them are models so them 'modeling' is allowed haha.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:24 am

It is one thing to assume that. I experience that when I sit down in class, say a friendly casual hi to the girl next to me then I get a dirty look and a response boils down to what the hell do you want. Then when we have a quiz I get asked if she can borrow a pencil, or a scantron or something else. Then they act shocked when I say no, I equate that scenario, which plays itself out probably once a week with me to the girl being stupid.


The more I am around women the more I think ConcordeBoy might have the right idea.


[Edited 2004-04-02 21:27:36]
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:47 am

Oh, ok Startevalve, then yes, you sound like you are around a bunch of bitches. And reading your two recent posts, well it sounds like a) you are a "nice guy" and b) that you dont need to lend that girl any more pencils!

Plus another thing I find is when I go out with my hetero friends to a straight bar, I may strike up conversation (attempt to anyhow) with a girl while waiting in line for the toilet, and she seems like a mute suddenly. I figure this has more to do with a random guy talking to her, and she probably thinks I want to get with her or something equally unfounded. But its dumb, and girl needs to lighten up.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 5:50 am

Perhaps my experiences are unique, but I'd say the prettiest most mild-mannered ladies are also the loneliest.

That's because they're holding out for the Doctor/Test Pilot/Lawyer/Real Estate Magnate withg a mansion in the hills and a yacht to shower them with diamonds and treat them like the princess that everyone's always told them they are.

I wish those girls well in their search.

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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:38 am

Fact is, unfortunately, "beautiful" people have more of an ability to get further and become more successful than people who aren't. I can understand why. I know I'm not the only one who'll take keen interest in a hot girl asking me a question than one that's dressed all scruffy and isn't as attractive. You do it unconsciously.

Then there's the question of race. I take an extreme stance on this, because I just look at it squarely: I question's god rationale of having multiple races on earth. THe only thing different races has accomplished is, among many others: Apartheid, slavery, holocaust, ethnic cleansing, oppression, arrogance, etc...

The world would be a much better, safer, more enjoyable place without it...but...what can ya do, you know?


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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:15 am

I've been with hot girls, I've been with ugly ones, fat ones, thin ones, tall ones, a short one once, blond ones, fake ones, real ones, and I gotta say. . .


. . .THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME IN THE DARK!!!
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:28 am

but some of us like it with the lights on.

Race is not an issue with me.. My girlfriend is a different race than me, she makes it more of an issue than I ever have. Just one more reason I wanna get the hell out of there.

LHMark is right on about the doctor/lawyer/royalty thing. My parents are not wealthy, I am a college student struggling to pay his bills. I am lucky if I can afford to do much beyond feed myself but when it comes to a relationship I am anything but cheap. A lot of girls do have their sights set too high, not all of us are going to medical or law school but that does not mean we are a sure thing to never be rich. Also, I find this a lot in the younger group of women, they think money=happiness. They are going to die poor, lonely and unhappy if they are only looking for rich guys who are only bringing sacks of cash to the relationship and I really have no sympathy for them, I made my effort and I was shot down since I was not the most stylish guy, I wasn't driving a BMW and I thought there was more to life than being a zillionaire.

In my experiences since my recent return to the college world there is some huge change in the female mind that takes place at age 20. Talking to an 18 or 19 year old is a train wreck, but someone over 20 it is possible to actually have an intelligent conversation about class or whatever may be going on in the real world without having to know what happened last night on whatever the WB or UPN is saying represents American youth this week.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:46 am

Hey, man...don't knock us goodlooking overacheivers! It's survival of the fittest (or should I say fitness?) out there. Nobody said it was fair.

Hit the gym and feel better about yourself. Or do something to make yourself more attractive. So what if beauty is only skin deep...you gonna date a pancreas? I think you're too young to worry about stuff like this.....
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:56 am

Why should I change? They are the ones with the problems. I am not a male model but I am by no means fat, I am in a healthy weight range for my height. I also cannot justify to myself paying twice as much for clothes just so I can snag hotter women, I considered it for a while but I asked myself if I really wanted the girls I would get if I changed that aspect of myself. I feel fine about myself, I feel sorry for them.
 
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:12 am

LOL now now people! It was only a little topic I thought of earlier - had no personal reason to post it, other than mere interest in other views. I can get nice young lasses (and also a few 'bad' ones, but hey - I was generally drunk  Wink/being sarcastic ). Heck, I'm only 21 and engaged to a lovely, good-looking girl.

[Edited 2004-04-03 00:15:01]
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:38 am

21 & engaged?

There ought to be laws against that kind of suicide. Good luck though.

I remember my first marriage, like it was ten years ago. That one was all about looks & personality. What a dumb idea. My second was all about looks. Also a dumb idea. My current is all about looks & money. I think I am on to something,  Big grin
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 8:56 am

LMAO! I love it! Looks and money - can't be beaten.  Laugh out loud  Wink/being sarcastic
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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:18 am

Normally I'd say what are you doing man, but looks like you hit the jackpot, Pe@rson Big grin


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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 1:55 pm

I have met many beautiful people.

I have met many warm and friendly people who I wanted to know for a long time.

But I have never met a very beautiful person who was also warm and friendly. They seem to either be self-indulgent and arrogant, or completely insecure and broken.

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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:03 pm

Thats right. Beauty is only skin deep. I would rather have an average looking girl with a sweet personality than a drop dead fine girl with a bad attitude.

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RE: Beauty = Special?!

Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:49 am

"I would rather have an average looking girl with a sweet personality than a drop dead fine girl with a bad attitude."

A toast to that.



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