jamesag96
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Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:00 am

Saw this over at Drudge:

http://www.iht.com/articles/513339.html

"His fellow hunters tease their prey with a sarcastic "welcome aboard" as they throw the fresh skins on their 65-foot boat. "We do it for the money," Theriault said, "but it's also a tradition in our blood." "

Your thoughts?

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:17 am

My feelings are that the people doing the fishing should charged with murder!!!!! After all isn't that what they are doing????


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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 1:49 am

Long as they arent endangered, really couldnt care less
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:06 am

Absolutely disgusting, especially if some people justify their pervert desire to kill with words like "culture" or "history".

Reminds me how dumb some people on this world are!

RJ100

P.S.: This thread is not against Canada (just to make this clear!)

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WellHung
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:11 am

100% in favor of it. Kill them early before they use up too many of OUR resources.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:14 am

Our resources? You probably forgot that we use their resources!

But that's absolutely not the point. The point is on how they kill them. If it would only be to reduce population, there would be painless ways to kill them.

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:15 am

Absolutely disgusting, especially if some people justify their pervert desire to kill with words like "culture" or "history".

Reminds me how dumb some people on this world are!


Yet you don't seem to complain when cows, chickens and pigs are killed.
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:16 am

Thats because their part of the food chain?! Youre prbably a veggie!

Seals are there to look cute and cuddly!

 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:17 am

Ok please read the above post. It's not about the killing it's about how they kill them!

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WellHung
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:19 am

Our resources? You probably forgot that we use their resources!


Yes, I did forget that.  Sleepy Stop being so anti-human RJ100. They use OUR resources and they are part of our resources. So we might as well take advantage of it.

But that's absolutely not the point. The point is on how they kill them. If it would only be to reduce population, there would be painless ways to kill them.


If you beat them hard enough, they just get knocked out and don't feel a thing.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:19 am

Sammy-again! The question is not if I am vegetarian or not. It is about HOW you kill animals. And the way they kill them is unaceptable!

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:20 am

Thats because their part of the food chain?! Youre prbably a veggie!

So if seals were tasty, could they be killed?

I'm not a veggie.
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:22 am

"If you beat them hard enough, they just get knocked out and don't feel a thing."

If you kill all day long you become lazy, less powerful, less concentrated and less precisely. It ends up with seals that are not knocked out. Very funny right?!

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:28 am

Kill the seals, I could care less what they do to seals. So what if they kill a few? It isn't having any ill effect on me. Why should I care, its not my problem, its the seal's problem.

One of my favorite movie scenes deals with killing baby seals. On "UHF", a commercial for "Crazy Ernie's Auto Sales" comes on and has Crazy Ernie standing there with a baby seal. Then he says, "If no one comes down here in the next 15 minutes, Im going to kill this here baby seal to make a baby deal." Funny stuff.

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WellHung
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Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:30 am

But these men are eager to show off how macho they are and would not let a little fatigue get in the way of their "powerful stroke." Plus, it's more fun to get them on the first shot, so there are two incentives right there. Plus, all the beer I'm sure they drink makes them more violent and counteracts any tiring. So your theory goes out the window.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:33 am

"Why should I care, its not my problem, its the seal's problem."

You are excused for your narrow-minded and simply stupid comment. Looking at your age I can only say that you should grow up or taking a few classes first before participating on serious discussions.

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RJ100
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:36 am

"But these men are eager to show off how macho they are and would not let a little fatigue get in the way of their "powerful stroke." Plus, it's more fun to get them on the first shot, so there are two incentives right there. Plus, all the beer I'm sure they drink makes them more violent and counteracts any tiring. So your theory goes out the window."

Are you making fun of me? Maybe I am not realizing that. If you do please tell me so I can end posting here.

And by the way, my theory does not go out of the window. Just get informed better (watch a few reports on TV, read newspapers etc.)

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:44 am

I don't need no news fella telling me what to think.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:46 am

Hmm I think everyone needs news and information before having an opinion.
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WellHung
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:47 am

Yeah, but my "Seal" section of The Wall Street Journal didn't come today...
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:50 am

So you like the killing of seals but according to your last post you are uninformed. ???
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WellHung
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:55 am

nah, i'm, pretty informed AND i like the killing of seals
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:16 am

One question:

Is not the issue that the Canadian government has increased to quota due to an increase in demand for the fur's?

The government allows this to take place so since you have an increase in demand they are raising the quota.

Those opposing the killing of the baby seals beef is with the Canadian government.

Sounds like a simple economic quota issue.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:25 am

"Rj100, you sure talk a big game for someone who hasn't demonstrated much "knowledge" or "information" on the subject."

At least I tell you my arguments whenever I post my opinion here. But you have an opinion without arguments.
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jamesag96
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:29 am

Wow...some of you surprise me.

And then some of you don't:
"Yet you don't seem to complain when cows, chickens and pigs are killed."

They aren't killing these seals for their meat, they are killing them for their pelts and in some cases skinning them alive. I think it is barbaric what these folks do in the name of Tradition.

"Kill them early before they use up too many of OUR resources."
"Kill the seals, I could care less what they do to seals. So what if they kill a few? It isn't having any ill effect on me. Why should I care, its not my problem, its the seal's problem."

One of these days, hopefully in my lifetime people will see that resources of any kind are limited and that we are all connected. How sad a world it would be if there were only Humans...

Sick.

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:38 am

RJ100: You just don't get it, do you? I really dont care about killing seals. Those guys do it to support themselves and their families. Would you rather see those guys and their families go hungry so that a seal could be "spared"? I think that human health and well being should come before seal health and well being. Do you see seals running the world? I sure don't. Hey, if you want to go see some seals, why dont you just take a trip down to the zoo?

-Copa
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:39 am

@Jamesag96: Sorry to be responsible that your thread is going this way. I would have hoped for a serious discussion. Also due to my posts, this is unfortunately not the case.

Maybe I should keep myself out of this discussion now.
Sorry again,
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jamesag96
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:43 am

Hey Copa...did you even read the article?

RJ100, no worries, it is not your fault that others are un-educated, and un-caring.

"I have suggested deletion of your above post as "Factually wrong," since nary an argument has emerged from your filthy sewer."

Maybe you should review your own posts before condemning others...



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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:53 am

JamesAG: Yes, I did read the article. It sounds to me like people trying to make a living. Jocelyn Theriault said that they "did it for the money". Sounds legitimate to me. I would sure hate to have you and or RJ100 choose saving either a seal or a human, because I would be willing to bet you would pick to save the seal. Also Un-Educated thoughts, I wouldnt call my thoughts un-educated, there is plenty of education behind those thoughts. I would put money down that my IQ is higher than yours.

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aviationfreak
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:05 am

Just read the article. Absolutely disgusting!

I wonder if those who approve the way they kill baby seals or actually participate in it have any sense of humanity or even have emotional capabilities.
I say they are cowards. Try to knock down a grown grizzly bear instead.

Before you start. The politicians must find other solutions to support those 'poor' families.

No kind regards today.
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:09 am

bears? but you can shoot bears and still have enough left over for a nice rug. it helps to have the whole seal skin unmarred.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:12 am

I echo Concorde's comment. They're not endangered, who the hell cares. Its ridiculous that the USA is banning seal products. People's livelihood is more important than a damn seal that isn't even endangered. And I'm gonna have some ribs tonight. Please tell me the brutal way they kill the pig, I'm very interested.  Big thumbs up
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:13 am

"I would sure hate to have you and or RJ100 choose saving either a seal or a human."
Where did I even hint at that?

"Un-Educated thoughts, I wouldnt call my thoughts un-educated, there is plenty of education behind those thoughts. I would put money down that my IQ is higher than yours."

You are barking up the wrong tree with me. Your posts are a clear indicator of two things: Your age, and absorption level of your supposed education.


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jamesag96
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:18 am

If it were as easy as that L1011 I would agree with you but pigs are not harvested for their hide alone. If the seals were used as sustenance it would be different, but they aren't.

There is no difference between this and what early Americans did to the Buffalo so long ago.

There has to be a humane way to address the problem, but who thinks Humane when you are getting $42 per seal coat?
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Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:21 am

bears? but you can shoot bears and still have enough left over for a nice rug. it helps to have the whole seal skin unmarred.

Is that supposed to be funny'?

Seals, especially young seals are so innocent and look cute and cuddly as said before. How can someone shut down their emotions and kill a baby seal while they are such an easy target. In my opinion they are cowards who do everything for money.
Again try to knock down a grizzly or something. Then you are the man.

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Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:25 am

Let's start at the low end of the spectrum and say I can off 4 baby seals an hour. I'm sure the actual numbers wuld be much higher since they musn't put up much of a fight. That's ~$160/hour. Then I would be the man without having to hurt one of those precious, cuddly teddy bears.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:33 am

Well, it isn't the nicest thing to do for a living but unfortunatley there isn't much choice. If you have ever been out to the Iles Madeleines you will realize that besides sealing and fishing, there isn't much else that can be done. It is too isolate and undeveloped for large-scale tourism and there aren't any other natural resources to be exploited. So what would you rather do, have these people sitting on welfare? That doesn't help anyone.

The seal hunt is a necessary evil for that region.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:40 am

People always get upset when cute critters are killed.
I've seen some real cute calves, but people have no problem in devouring veal cutlets. Baby cows are just as defenseless as cute seal pups.

The article also says that the seal population is resulting in lower cod yields. Well, doesnt a high seal population also result in higher populations of predators - orcas, sharks, other seals? Shouldnt it all take care of itself?
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:47 am

So many ignorant and uneducated posts here....my brain's going to explode.

Its a shame that so many of you show a complete lack of interest in keeping our environment and nature around, you seem to be perfectly glad to put human interests above all else until the day comes when human's are the only form of life on earth. Well let me give you a bit of information, we can't survive that way.
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:49 am

So WellHung, your the kind of guy who is willing to do everything for money. Why don't you do us the pleasure knocking yourself out fatally and I give you $100000. Or prostitute yourself. You can make even more money then.
Do you actually have a conscience?

CPDC10-30, I understand the difficulties but I can't stand people enjoying it.

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:52 am

JamesAG96: "You are barking up the wrong tree with me. Your posts are a clear indicator of two things: Your age, and absorption level of your supposed education.

How are they a clear indicator of my age? my abosorption level. Listen, my opinion is that if the seals should be killed to support people, then so be it. How would my education change my views on that? I honestly don't give a rats ass what happens to the seals, but thats me. I agree with Jaysit. Why do you people care sooooo much what happens to seals, but when it comes to a calf, you don't care. A double standard I would say. What else do you expect the seal harvesters to do? There isn't much else to do around those parts. You seem to have the answers to everything, figure that one out.

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:54 am

Those are good points Jaysit.

I refuse to eat veal.

J



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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:58 am

Um, I never said I would do everything for money.  Insane But if I can swing $160/hr killing seals and drinking beer, better for me.  Big thumbs up

Gigilo... now that's an idea.
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:59 am

Aviationfreak: Why would it do Wellhung any good to knock himself out fatally for some money? He couldnt use the money then. That wouldn't make any sense.

-Copa
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Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:00 am

LMAO @ Copaair.
 
copaair737
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:12 am

I would kill seals and booze it up for $160 an hour. That job would kick ass.

-Copa
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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:17 am

I was using the same senseless humor as (un)WellHung. Big grin

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:18 am

Just the last 3 replies of WellHung and Copaair prove their stupidity. It also indicates that they do not only support the killing because it is necessary for some people to survive-no apparently they have a lot of fun seeing it. How pervert!
And these two guys still don't see my point. I know that a lot of people need to earn money with killing seals like a farmer needs to earn money by selling his cows to a butcher.
My point is, if you need to kill-do it as painless as possible. And this is absolutely not the fact in Canada and this is not acceptable.

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:25 am

RJ100: What stupidity? How did you get stupidity out of that. I said "I would kill seals and booze it up for $160 an hour. That job would kick ass." I never said I would take pleasure in it, I just said I would do that job, the easy job that that is.

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RE: Your Thoughts On Killing Baby Seals....

Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:27 am

"That job would kick ass."

There's your answer!
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