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UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:20 am

I was wondering wether anyone remembers the 1995 incident where a pilot of a BA 737, inbound to Manchester Airport, nearly got hit by a "Flying-Triangle."
I was wondering if there's been any eye-witness reports on the investigation, and wether anyone could shed any light on what they think could have happened up in the skies above my house (Because I live just a few miles away from where the incident took place.)
And i regulary see aircraft inbound for EGCC.
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:21 am

There is some info on it, I think this is the right one - it's the January 1995 incident even though it says January 1996 at the top:

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/ukairsit.html


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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:46 am

I seem to recall pictures of the triangular shaped object. This couldn't be the same one that flew literally hundereds of feet over the desert about 10 years back and was witnessed by upwards of 1,000 people, could it?
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:49 am

A rumored but never acknowledged U.S. military aircraft referred to as Aurora has been described as triangular in shape. It's been speculated that it could be a Mach 4+ successor to the SR-71 spyplane, if it exists at all. Perhaps something like this could explain a lot of these UFO sightings.
 
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:12 am

Unless the pilot could give details, it could be Aurora. Besides, tha flare claim that the military gave for that other Arizona sighting in March of 1997 only makes for more stupidity on behalf of skeptics. Even flares make noise, this thing did not; plus it moved sideways, flares go with the wind.

I seem to recall another sighting that involved a 747 and a UFO over the Atlantic, someone made the claim that it was supersonic and headed right at them. When they braced for the bump from the boom as it passed, they felt nothing. Of course you wouldn't feel anything, one after effect of field propulsions are no booms... Insane
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:22 am

Oh please, this was not 'Aurora'.

This was a flash of light, maybe reflected from a cloud.
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Lehpron

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:29 am

Lehpron: Of course you wouldn't feel anything, one after effect of field propulsions are no booms...

Only if they´ve got some kind of "laminar flow shaper" field as well...  Wink/being sarcastic

Otherwise, it would just be like a supersonic glider and it would very well produce a boom, even if driven by artificial gravity or whatever...

So much for that. Scotty, beam me back up!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 9:54 am

"Only if they´ve got some kind of "laminar flow shaper" field as well... "

Actually the air itself will never touch the surface of the vehicle, as long as the field generators are on it will push the air out of the way (like a droplet of dish soap in a water filled greasy pan) and leave a vaccum in it's place. The vehicle can travel at any speed at any altitude: no pressure contact, no drag; no sound propagation, no boom. There isn't even a wake. The thing doesn't even have to be shaped laminar either, the largest volume for a fixed shape is a sphere. For all that matters it could be a box.  Wink/being sarcastic

Despite the smiley, I'm serious. Funny thing is I may have just now figured how it could be done, but I do not want to horde Planespotterx's thread with it. Big grin

Although there may be more than one field generator, like I have no idea how they get off the ground to begin with, I just know antigravity is a misnomer. Antigravity implies antimass, which isn't possible unless you had clumps of antimatter, which has to be made, i.e. unnatural. But then I am ignorant to their technology.

Oh well, sorry Planespotterx, didn't mean to hijack ur thread.  Innocent
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Lehpron

Thu Apr 15, 2004 10:21 am

Lehpron: Actually the air itself will never touch the surface of the vehicle, as long as the field generators are on it will push the air out of the way (like a droplet of dish soap in a water filled greasy pan) and leave a vaccum in it's place. The vehicle can travel at any speed at any altitude: no pressure contact, no drag; no sound propagation, no boom. There isn't even a wake. The thing doesn't even have to be shaped laminar either, the largest volume for a fixed shape is a sphere. For all that matters it could be a box.

No, that wouldn´t work.

What you´re proposing would be equivalent to a rigid body pushing through the air. Wether the air is displaced by contact with a substantial body or by a field of any kind doesn´t really matter; You´d still have compression, a bow wave and decompression and an according stern wave behind the object.

With supersonic travel, this kind of craft would create one separating shockwave at the front and another one in the back, just like Concorde.

What you´d need would be that "laminar flow shaper" field in order to "convince" the surrounding air to not propagate the rising pressure in a separating wave away from the aircraft, but instead to "please" stay compressed next to the craft until it could be allowed to fill the "trailing vacuum" behind the ship, ideally without any elastic effects that would again create turbulence or shock waves. Tricky stuff, even if we had the technology to generate such a field.


A theoretical approximation might be an annular aircraft with a completely straight-tube exterior and a shaped-channel interior which took care of the compression and decompression in an "orderly" fashion... But it would still be enormously difficult to get rid of turbulent flow in that case, not mentioning the somewhat ... impractical shape of the aircraft...  Wink/being sarcastic


Lehpron: Although there may be more than one field generator, like I have no idea how they get off the ground to begin with, I just know antigravity is a misnomer. Antigravity implies antimass, which isn't possible unless you had clumps of antimatter, which has to be made, i.e. unnatural. But then I am ignorant to their technology.

Well, it should be some kind of solid-state "brick" with an electrical connection; You move it up or down, a current is generated. You apply a current, it starts moving up or down. You short-circuit it and it´ll stay "stuck" in mid air. Wouldn´t that be neat?  Big thumbs up

Now we "just" need to find an inventive engineer to fill in the minor blanks in between... Big grin


Lehpron: Oh well, sorry Planespotterx, didn't mean to hijack ur thread.

Ooops!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:27 am

"What you´re proposing would be equivalent to a rigid body pushing through the air."

No, that's not what I said. What I meant was that the field generated by the rigid body pushes the air out of the way, the rigid body itself occupies the space left behind - a vaccum. Theoretically (by our physics), as the vehicle moves, the field would "thin out the air" in front until the vehicle arrives where there is a vaccum. As it proceeds it returns the space as it was. There is no compression, the air never touches the vehicle. Give yourself the impression that as the field turns on, drag suddenly drops to near-zero, as if you suddenly climbed to where the air is thin.

"Tricky stuff, even if we had the technology to generate such a field."

I think we do, just not commercially practical.  Wink/being sarcastic

"Well, it should be some kind of solid-state "brick" with an electrical connection; You move it up or down, a current is generated. You apply a current, it starts moving up or down. You short-circuit it and it´ll stay "stuck" in mid air. Wouldn´t that be neat? "

I applaud your use of half-science there ol'chap. Big grin

I have thought of superconducting magnets, but Earth's mag field sucks in comparison to gravity -- that idea just goes out the window. However, that says nothing on how it would go sideways...unless the same system that pushed the air away somehow dragged it along, like a linear magnet, pulsing at high speeds. The field itself would have to 'appear to move' like the wings of a bat.

It could explain the UFO sightings associated with brief electrical system failures. But a mag field for example cannot affect regular air unless it gets ionized...

Hmm, again sorry Planespotterx, I just have not thought about it that much before. Do forgive me and Klaus if we continue.  Big thumbs up

"Now we "just" need to find an inventive engineer to fill in the minor blanks in between"

I propose nominating yourself, as I would only vote for me, which is about as bi-partisen as I may get today.  Smile
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Lehpron

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:41 am

Lehpron: No, that's not what I said. What I meant was that the field generated by the rigid body pushes the air out of the way, the rigid body itself occupies the space left behind - a vaccum.

That´s exactly what airplanes do - they just use their hull to push the air away.
This "pushing away" is the problem...

Alternative, of course: Leave static pressure unchanged, but accelerate the ambient air around the craft at the bow and decelerate it again after the aircraft has passed... But again, you´d have to control air-to-air friction and turbulent flow... Still assuming the availability of some kind of field allowing to do that.


Lehpron: I think we do, just not commercially practical.

I don´t think we could even do it experimentally!


Lehpron: I have thought of superconducting magnets, but Earth's mag field sucks in comparison to gravity

Gravity still sucks worse!  Wink/being sarcastic

Besides, the required field magnitudes would probably kill any kind of electronics instantly and problably even damage the prospective passenger´s health... Not good.


Lehpron: I propose nominating yourself, as I would only vote for me, which is about as bi-partisen as I may get today.

Fine with me. As long as you can make the deadline!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 11:57 am

"That´s exactly what airplanes do - they just use their hull to push the air away."

I guess I simply cannot explain what I'm thinking, even though I agree with your interpretation of my attempted initial explaination. Try imagining that the field pushes away more air that the 'airplane's hull' would occupy and the result is an atmospheric deficit, of sorts. I wonder if you understood the "thinning out of the air" ideology?

"Fine with me. As long as you can make the deadline! "

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Lehpron

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:05 pm

Lehpron: Try imagining that the field pushes away more air that the 'airplane's hull' would occupy and the result is an atmospheric deficit, of sorts. I wonder if you understood the "thinning out of the air" ideology?

Absolutely... The problem is just that you´ve got to "push" the air somewhere. And that "somewhere" is the place where compression takes place and from where a shock wave starts to roll away from the aircraft - unless you´re going the way of manipulating dynamic instead of static pressure, but then you´d have a similar set of problems on your hand...

Lehpron: Hey man, I think in the 4th D, there is no dealine!

Wrong... Time is the 4th dimension, and that´s exactly where the deadline lurks! Big grin
 
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RE: UFO Nearly Smashes Into 737

Thu Apr 15, 2004 12:38 pm

Wow, Lehpron, Klaus, you guys should lay off the Heineken for a little while... Wink/being sarcastic

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