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May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:41 am

We are just days away from May 1, when the EU will formally welcome ten new members to its club. EU Commision President Romano Prodi will attend a ceremony on the border of Gorizia, Italy and Nova Gorica, Slovenia -- two parts of what is, in effect, a single town. Many other festivities are planned throughout the continent to mark this historic occasion.

So what are your thoughts about this historic EU enlargement? Remember, the EU is expanding, so debates whether it should expand probably don't make too much sense at this point, especially as there was a recent thread dealing with that issue. But what does the future hold for the continent?

Feel free to mention any interesting articles about this topic!

Here is a list of the new members with some basic statistics. I first posted this six months ago, it's a good guide to the new countries, so here it is again:

CZECH REPUBLIC

Capital: Prague
Comparative area: "slightly smaller than South Carolina"
Population: 10,249,216 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $15,300 (2002 est.)

CYPRUS

Capital: Nicosia
Comparative area: "about 0.6 times the size of Connecticut"
Population: 771,657 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: "Greek Cypriot area: purchasing power parity - $15,000 (2001 est.); Turkish Cypriot area: purchasing power parity - $6,000 (2002 est.)"

ESTONIA
Capital: Tallinn

Comparative area: "slightly smaller than New Hampshire and Vermont combined"
Population: 1,408,556 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $10,900 (2002 est.)

HUNGARY

Capital: Budapest
Comparative area: "slightly smaller than Indiana"
Population: 10,045,407 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $13,300 (2002 est.)

LATVIA

Capital: Riga
Comparative area: "slightly larger than West Virginia"
Population: 2,348,784 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $8,300 (2002 est.)

LITHUANIA

Capital: Vilnius
Comparative area: "slightly larger than West Virginia"
Population: 3,592,561 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $8,400 (2002 est.)

MALTA

Capital: Valletta
Comparative area: "slightly less than twice the size of Washington, DC"
Population: 400,420 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $17,000 (2002 est.)

POLAND

Capital: Warsaw
Comparative area: "slightly smaller than New Mexico"
Population: 38,622,660 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $9,500 (2002 est.)

SLOVAKIA

Capital: Bratislava
Comparative area: about twice the size of New Hampshire
Population: 5,430,033 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $12,200 (2002 est.)

SLOVENIA

Capital: Ljubljana
Comparative size: "slightly smaller than New Jersey"
Population: 1,935,677 (July 2003 est.)
GDP per capita: $18,000 (2002 est.)

Facts and flags: www.cia.gov

...and here is a map showingthe new members (light blue):


Source: www.ecdel.org.au
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:07 pm

Cool!  Big thumbs up

Welcome, everybody!

It´ll mean more hard work in overcoming separations and even prejudices, but I think the peaceful and voluntary cooperation of a whole continent of different nations is a historic achievement that deserves to be celebrated.

And opening the borders between the peoples of those formerly divided nations makes this a happy day, indeed!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:17 pm

That map has a hole on it which looks like Swiss cheese  Big thumbs up
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:47 pm

I feel both good and bad about it.

Good -- new members will reduce the relative bullying influence of France & Germany.
Good -- new members will permanently move them into the Western orbit away from Moscow.
BAD -- I do not believe that Communist nations can transform themselves in only 10 years to be necessarily non-corrupt EU members.
BAD -- the new entrants have little to offer the existing EU members, they will be net recipients of EU aid for decades to come.
BAD -- more members means in theory more EU bureaucracy.


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Yyz717

Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:04 pm

Come on, dude. Get your facts straight.

Go check the corruption levels (studies have been done to analyse that and it has been found that we're on average with the EU countries).

We have little to offer? Am... Cheap labor, a far larger market? Ability to cooperate EU-wide? Synergy, my friend - synergy is the magic word.

Net recipients? Okay. If you claim that we're supposed to be a net recipient I'll go down to our parlament, bribe some of our corrupt communist bureaucrats and demand that we become a net recipient (instead of the net contributor we're going to be) and persuade them that Yyz717 should pick up the tab for us.

Yes, there will be more bureaucracy - but there's no such thing as perfection.

Actually, Yyz717, why are you so bothered by the new EU members? Are you afraid, that the new EU may beat the c*ap out of NAFTA?

D.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:46 am

Oh great more people coming to our country with no money,who is going to support these people and set them up a new life in the west we don't need more Eastern block countries in the EU it is corrupt enough as it is.
I will not look forward to my taxes going up.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:50 am

This is the most important moment that the Three Fathers of the European Community (De Gasperi, Adenauer, Shumanm) have wished 40 years ago.
With the end of the terrible communist regimes, Europe finds again its unity. Welcome in the Family to all the new member states! Smile
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:29 am

And opening the borders between the peoples of those formerly divided nations makes this a happy day, indeed!

The same can't be said for borders between the new entrants and most of the current EU15.


Actually, Yyz717, why are you so bothered by the new EU members? Are you afraid, that the new EU may beat the c*ap out of NAFTA?

How exactly will the new EU 'beat the crap out of NAFTA'?


 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:54 am

Mrwayne wrote:

"Oh great more people coming to our country with no money,"

I'm sure that people from these countries are just lining up to come to the UK with no money.  Yeah sure

Leaving temporary work restrictions aside, some of these countries, such as Slovenia, Cyprus, and the Czech Republic already have relatively high standards of living, so they may actually see immigration themselves.

VCE wrote:

"Welcome in the Family to all the new member states!"

Grazie, VCE!
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Mon Apr 19, 2004 5:55 am

Mrwayne, I think you are being just a little bit too over-paranoid  Insane
 
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Donder10

Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:10 am

Look at the $/EU ratio, look at the European and the US economies.

Do we agree now?  Smile

D.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:31 am

Just over 10 days to go!

Here are some photos of the ten members' capital cities (from www.eiz-niedersachsen.de):

Prague, Czech Republic:


Nicosia, Cyprus:


Tallinn, Estonia:


Budapest, Hungary:


Riga, Latvia:


Vilnius, Lithuania:


Valetta, Malta:


Warsaw, Poland:


Bratislava, Slovakia:


Ljubljana, Slovenia:
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:37 am

Hello all,

as mentioned before, I am looking forward to join EU. It is going to be benefitial for both (current and new) members. Search other threads for this topic.

Dear Yyz717,

again, after reading your post, something tells me that you must be biased against Eastern Europe.

I would like to take a time and answer some of your worries!

Good -- new members will permanently move them into the Western orbit away from Moscow.

In Czech Rep. and Slovakia case, we have moved from thier influence some years ago. In my humble opinion, there is no need for any influence, Western nor Eastern. Smaller nations should take from both ideas to get what suits them best.

BAD -- I do not believe that Communist nations can transform themselves in only 10 years to be necessarily non-corrupt EU members.

Yes, there are some problems with corruption. For example, Slovakia is trying to fight it, and hopefuly with EU assistance, (NOT only financial) corruption might be pressed down to un-noticable levels. One can never clear entire nation of corruption, be it Western or Eastern nation.


BAD -- the new entrants have little to offer the existing EU members, they will be net recipients of EU aid for decades to come.

Wrong! New nations have a lot of to offer to EU. Otherwise EU would not accept these new nations if there would not be benefit for both sides. There is going to be a new markets for any type of good. There is going to be more competition and that is benefitial for consumers because it drives prices down. People will be able to travel and see many places they were not aware of. There are many more examples, why it IS benefitial for both groups to join powers.

BAD -- more members means in theory more EU bureaucracy.

There my friend, I have to agree with you. Hopefuly, new EU will find ways of how to cut of un-immportant bureaucracy.

Dear Mrwayne,

not all poeple are going to move to UK. Why? Becuase, not everybody wants to move, they might not be able to speak language and trust me, most people do not wish to leave places where they have securities. (Be it social benefit, family surroundings or other)

You might see some people to travel and get jobs, start new life, but this is not only for UK. (Which BTW forbids people from new countries to work in the UK for another 7 years, as majority of EU) There might be migration from Bulgaria to Slovakia, or to Germany, so UK is not the only country that will face immigrants.

Thanks,
Andrej Lippay
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 11:06 am

A very simple solution against bureaucracy:
Give the EU parliament some REAL powers and make the commision directly accountable to the EU population, maybe by a direct election of the members by the EU citzens. At the moment it is rather used as a place to park former national government members not needed in their own countries until they reach retirement age.

Jan
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:51 pm

In addition to the events in Gorizia/Nova Gorica mentioned above, the prime ministers of Slovenia, Austria, and Italy (yes, Silvio Berlusconi  Big grin), will meet at the point where the three countries meet. For those of you living in or next to one of the ten new members, how will your country celebrate?

I know that there is a major TV event in the works, which will originate mostly from Berlin, Warsaw, and Valletta, and feature performers from the ten countries.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 12:54 pm

I´m looking forward to visit Poland some day.

Jan
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:54 pm

strange how the former eastern bloc countries who fought long and hard to overcome communism and the shadow of the USSR are so keen to sign up to another all powerful, corrupt, unaccountable organisation.

Sad that freedom won so hard has been given up so easily.
English First, British Second, european Never!
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:18 pm

I would also like to welcome all the new members. It's going to be great to see a bigger united Europe.
And I'm really lloking forward to visit some of the eastern countries this year.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:44 pm

Paulc wrote:

"strange how the former eastern bloc countries who fought long and hard to overcome communism and the shadow of the USSR are so keen to sign up to another all powerful, corrupt, unaccountable organisation."

Maybe because they realize that, despite the EU's very real problems and imperfections (which can always be overcome), further European integration is in everyone's long-term interest.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Thu Apr 22, 2004 8:27 pm

Why not try and do something about the problems and imperfections before expanding. The eu has had a long time to sort the basics out but still fails miserably.

Companies spend a lot of money making sure products are reliable / safe / and more importantly what the consumer wants - why should the eu be any different.

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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:49 pm

Paulc wrote:

"Why not try and do something about the problems and imperfections before expanding."

Because the ten new members deserve to have a say in the matter. They've all worked very hard to be included in the EU and have every right to play an important role in determining its future.

"The eu has had a long time to sort the basics out but still fails miserably."

As the referenda in the new members have shown, most people think that, despite its imperfections, the EU has considerably more advantages than disadvantages. They see it as a step towards a more united continent.

"Companies spend a lot of money making sure products are reliable / safe / and more importantly what the consumer wants - why should the eu be any different."

Exactly! That's why you should work to improve the EU rather than just complain about it. Europe wants closer integration, but it is up to each "consumer" to influence how that should be achieved.




We're just days away from the historic event!

[Edited 2004-04-27 08:51:33]
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Tue Apr 27, 2004 5:48 pm

Since when is the EU a business, and its population customers?

Last time I checked, it was a political entity and its population consisted of voters. There are differences between democracy and business, and I dare to say that businesses themselves create a lot of the problems (corruption in the very first place) that have been mentioned.

If people actually cared about the EU and voted in EU elections, then maybe things would change. But as it seems, people are just too damn well off bitchin and too lazy to vote.
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 2:03 am

The big event is just hours away!

Here is a rundown of all the special programming on German television for our German-speaking members:

http://www.tvmatrix.de/magazin.php?newsid=4227

And here's special EU coverage from the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/

Check out these articles for an overview of the celebrations, including those on the Slovenian-Italian border:

http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040430141529.xfbgmkku
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1082844619700&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724
http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040429163826.0e7f1xas
http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040429141814.bxw527n5
http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040427135034.vzfybjv7
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 2:17 am

Damirc,

Actually, Yyz717, why are you so bothered by the new EU members? Are you afraid, that the new EU may beat the c*ap out of NAFTA?

Last time I checked your economy is stagnant and ours isn't. (your referring to Europe)

Look at the $/EU ratio

Yeah It's helping our exports.  Insane

look at the European and the US economies.

Yeah ours is growing, yours isn't.

Paulc,

strange how the former eastern bloc countries who fought long and hard to overcome communism and the shadow of the USSR are so keen to sign up to another all powerful, corrupt, unaccountable organisation.

Sadly, you're right. That's what scares me about the EU.

Aloges,

I dare to say that businesses themselves create a lot of the problems

Yeah like jobs, money, success...  Insane




 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 2:54 am

Here is a pic from today's early events on the Slovenian-Austrian-Italian border:


Image:rtvslo.si (Firefighters from the three nations recreated their countries' flags by using colored water)

The border entry signs have already been replaced with standardized EU ones:


Image:rtvslo.si

But the big events will happen in the next few hours! Feel free to post pictures here!
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 5:25 am

Damn, the fireworks sounds impressive - 40 fireworks factories have been busy at work to provide the fireworks. Can't wait for midnight.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 6:20 am

Hello all,

less than one hour to go for Slovakia, Czech Rep., Slovenia, Poland, Malta and Hungary to go. (Not sure if there is time difference for other nations  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

Lets hope that all nations will benefit from this en-largement!

I am looking forward to move and work in the UK.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy j/k

Cheers,
Andrej

 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 6:22 am

You are welcome Andrej, just make sure you don't read The Sun or Daily Mail.  Big grin
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 6:26 am

ALL 10 countries join on MAY 1st at 00:00 Brussels time, so time zone is of no issue, Andrej.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Anyway, as the former German secretary of State H.F. Gencher just said on a Europe wide live TV show: ...Within less than an hour, there will be no more talking of old versus new Europe (not naming the person he aimed at, but clair to all), but rather one united YOUNG EUROPE.

 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 6:36 am

Welcome to all the new EU citizens !
I'll be watching the celebrations on the TV all night. And in 25 minutes, I open the Champagne !

Teva
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:01 am

Well, I would like to be the first to welcome the 75 million new EU citizens to the European Union - hope you enjoy the stay!
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:05 am

Dear Arsenal@LHR,

consider it done!

Cheers,
Andrej  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:08 am

Thank you! The European flag now flies over Pilsudski Square, where Poland's way to a united Europe started 25 years ago. Let's see what will the future bring.

Cheers from Warsaw,
Gdabski
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:16 am

Hey, they seem to be partying pretty hard in Malta... Just saw the fireworks on France3. Well, I guess they're right. Party on everyone then!
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:17 am

Whaw!

I have to admit it was a very impressive and emotional sight to see our blue flag with 12 stars being raised for the first time on all public buildings in not less then 10 capitals!

It will fly there for ever!

Let the party begin!



ps... when is our flag going to be raised over buckingham palace?  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:43 am

Some scenes from Slovenia:






(EU Comission President Romano Prodi with the Slovenian PM)


(The Slovenian flag in Berlin)

Images above: rtvslo.si

Congratulations to the other nine new members!!!
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:58 am

Congratulations to Slovenia and to all other new members...



I hope we will become EU member in ~10 years.. or less..  Sad


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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 8:13 am

Hvala, JoeKuboj!

I also think that Serbia and Montenegro should eventually join the EU. I'm positive that its citizens will come to realize that European integration is the way to go. It looks like Croatia has really good chances of becoming a member in the next few years. When some economic and political issues are resolved, Serbia and Montenegro will also have a good case for joining the European family. The same goes for other countries that remain outside the EU right now (Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, etc.).


[Edited 2004-05-01 01:14:00]
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 9:14 am

For the liguistically inclined, here is how you say "Welcome" and "Hello" in the languages most widely spoken in each of the ten countries. The site is in German, but if you're interested in languages, you'll figure it out:

http://www.eiz-niedersachsen.de/ewb/willkommen.htm
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 9:28 am

The same goes for other countries that remain outside the EU right now (Romania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, etc.).

And what about the Russian bear to the East - or any of the other former Soviet republics? Any chance for them..... ever?
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 9:36 am

Wow, seems like yesterday the Berlin wall came down and now a large part of Eastern Europe is part of the EU!!! Congratulations.

I have some questions that Europeans, or other knowlegdable people can answer


1) Will the new states be a part of the Euro zone?

2) Is there any timetable for the poorer European nations (Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, etc., etc. )

3) What about Ukraine or Moldova

4) 3 Wealthy West European countries are conspicuously not part of the EU, Norway (guess with its oil wealth they can afford to go it alone) Switzerland (Neutrality bit) and Iceland. Any murmurs to join now?

Thanks.
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 10:17 am

Csavel asked:

1.) Will the new states be a part of the Euro zone?

Not immediately, but (AFAIK) all of the new members have already committed themselves to joining the Eurozone.

2.) Is there any timetable for the poorer European nations (Croatia, Bulgaria, Romania, Macedonia, etc., etc. )

There is no definitive timetable, but the year 2007 is commonly mentioned in relation to Bulgaria, Romania, and possibly Croatia. The latter started EU accesion talks late, but is currently making really good progress, both politically and economically, and has recently been praised by EU officials who said it's already better prepared (in some areas) than a few of countries joining now. However, I think the second round could be postponed by a couple of years, just as this first round happened later than was originally forecast. There is some talk that the EU may not expand for a while after admitting Bulgaria, Romania, and Croatia (in order to avoid overextending itself), but only time will tell. Greece, BTW, is supporting Macedonia's membership, which is a bit ironic if you remember the relations between the two countries ten years ago.

3.) What about Ukraine or Moldova?

These two nations most probably won't be included in the next round. There is some concern that the door to the EU may remain closed to them for a while (see above).

I'll let those who know more answer Question 4. I know there are occasional murmurs from all three, but I'm not up to speed on the details.

[Edited 2004-05-01 03:28:20]
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 10:35 am

4) 3 Wealthy West European countries are conspicuously not part of the EU, Norway (guess with its oil wealth they can afford to go it alone) Switzerland (Neutrality bit) and Iceland. Any murmurs to join now?

From what I gathered during my stay in Switzerland, the french-speakers are very pro-EU (and pro-France of course) while the german-speakers (makes up 60%) are definitely not. Majority rules...
 
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Sat May 01, 2004 5:09 pm

When I see the reaction of our British A.net members, I feel ashamed that they are in the EU with us.
Shame on you perfidious rosbeefs (  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

Welcome to the new members.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:23 pm

Technically, Switzerland still has a formal application in the process ,AFAIK. Iceland is probably the most likely of the 3 to join in future years but fishing will be an/(the?) area to cause problems.
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 7:29 pm

Iceland is probably the most likely of the 3 to join in future years but fishing will be an/(the?) area to cause problems.

Greenland left the EEC many years ago despite Denmark being a member. The same problem as Iceland - fishing rights.
 
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Welcome!

Sat May 01, 2004 8:19 pm

Welcome! It feels good having you all on board, at last!  Big thumbs up
Excellent light show in Malta!

Now let´s make this work - for everybody!


Sebolino: When I see the reaction of our British A.net members, I feel ashamed that they are in the EU with us.
Shame on you perfidious rosbeefs


Come on; You know that brit- (and french-) bashing is to take place in the other thread...!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 8:35 pm

ps... when is our flag going to be raised over buckingham palace?

Now, I think you know the answer to that, Sabenapilot.  Big grin

Sebolino, surely you know that the quote is "Perfidious Albion", not perfidious rosbifs.  Big grin Napoleon thought he was insulting us. We're quite proud of it actually.  Smile

Joking aside, whatever the weaknesses of the EU, the advent of the Eastern European members is quite a moment in Europe's development.
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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 8:58 pm

Congratulations to the 10 new members of the EU. In a time of uncertainty in the world (well, really I think there has always been a time of uncertainty, but anyway), I hope that this will turn out to be a good example of how countries with different peoples, languages and histories can come overcome these obstacles and come together as one. Congratulations once more!

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RE: May 1 EU Enlargement: History In The Making

Sat May 01, 2004 9:58 pm

Banco,

No offence was meant of course, it was more a ironic remark in the heath of festivities...

A hint too maybe at the fact the very same thing (i.e. adherence to the EU) is celebrated so wildly by millions of ordinary people in the streets of Eastern European (and even ex-Soviet) cities as the final achievement of the process of democracy, independence and freedom which started 15 years ago and which has lead them to full membership of the European Union yesterday, whereas in another country this very same adherence is seen as a loss of independence through a submission to the federal superstate...

Seems some people just don't know what they got, till it's gone...

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