Biggles20
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Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:33 pm

Hello All,

I know this is a very wide topic, but in general do you think porn is degrading - to women or otherwise? Or do you see it as the second best thing around?

Personally I can't see what all the fuss is about - though obviously if people are forced to do things and sexual acts against their own will then this is wrong and it should be regulated.

Basically, do you see a problem with pornography in general? Hope this topic doesn't offend anyone and I appologise if it does - sorry!

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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:37 pm

I don't think porn is degrading to anyone. The pornstars are doing it because they make good money from it. And all those saying the women are degrading them selves should mind their own business. No one forces the actors to be in these movies.. And like I laways have said. If you dont like it. Change channel dammit!
 
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:37 pm

I regularly degrade myself to porn. Especially the male/male variety.

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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:40 pm

I used to work at a 128 video cabin place. Videosupervisor, what a great job..
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:44 pm

I watch porn all the time on my computer and tv. That is the closest I will come to having real sex.

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mbmbos
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:46 pm

First, you'll have to define the term. Here's the first definition that I cam across:

"Creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire."

So, you can already see the problem. By its very definition, pornography is highly subjective. What one person may consider as having literary or artistic value, another will regard as simply prurient.
 
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:03 pm

Actually, I think 'Pornography' is a pretty cool Cure album...............
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:31 pm

Dammit, you took the words right out of my mouth....
Pornography is the BEST Cure album...

Back to topic, I think that the only porn that is degrading for women is when Rocco Siffredi is in the cast...
And of course, you don't go and take advantage of some women that you have intoxicated with alcohol or drugs, and you absolutley do not capture it on film and then sell it... THAT'S degrading....
Read between the lines.
 
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:33 pm

I think the women who do it and want to do it are actually a lot stronger than most of us women. I'm not talking about those who get suckered into it or don't know what else to do, but the ones who make a concious decision and are comfortable with their sexuality to the point they are confortable being filmed doing it and having it out there for the world to see. I know I sure don't have that kind of guts!
 
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RE: Pornography

Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:37 pm

you don't go and take advantage of some women that you have intoxicated with alcohol or drugs, and you absolutley do not capture it on film and then sell it... THAT'S degrading

That is not porn. That is what I call rape. And those men should have their dick split in half.
 
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RE: Pornography

Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:46 am

you don't go and take advantage of some women that you have intoxicated with alcohol or drugs

What if a woman does that to a man? Big grin
 
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RE: Pornography

Thu Apr 22, 2004 2:53 am

Some people think the statue of David is pornographic. There are some things that I find disgusting that others find stimulating. As long as all parties involved are willing and understand the what the outcome will be, what is the problem? If a person does not want to go through with it, watch it, listen to it then don't. Pure and simple.

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RE: Pornography

Thu Apr 22, 2004 3:00 am


That is not porn. That is what I call rape. And those men should have their dick split in half
Still, it's defined as porn when displayed on a screen. And I agree about the punishment, but would like to add a one month long session with Yousef the black man, with the 16 inch dick and a bucket full of coarse salt...

What if a woman does that to a man
Well.... I wouldn't mind, but if she was taping it and sold it, I want my cut of the profit dammit..  Big thumbs up
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RE: Pornography

Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:05 am

The pornstars are doing it because they make good money from it

Common misconception.

The majority of adult film performers are not contractual, and take in less than $50 for a six-minute average scene (which requires 30min to 6hours of filming; depending on the quality of the film, and whether scripting is involved).

*****

As for the male perspective, men tend not to make much at all even for the contractual, scripted, high-quality male/female films; which is why such an overwhelming majority of male/male porn performers are actually straight men.

There are a few notable exceptions-- such as "Peter North", who became famous enough to found/star in his own productions.... but even he had to start off in queer porn (as "Matt Ramsey"), despite his continual public denials thereof  Laugh out loud
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RE: Pornography

Thu Apr 22, 2004 4:16 am

I can say one thing about pornography: viewing it gets very boring very quickly. I'd sooner watch paint dry for an hour than watch an hour-long dirty movie.
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 5:21 am

Its only degrading for the people watching it who don't want to, so basically, why watch it if you don't like it. Personally, I love it, whether it be male-female, male-male, female-female. The only thing I object to is children and animals (yuck!)
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:51 am

You guys have gutter values. Do you really think this is how God intended you to use your time?
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:58 am

Which god would that be?
 
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:00 pm

You guys have gutter values. Do you really think this is how God intended you to use your time?

No, Sleek, I'm sure He wants us to listen to you constantly tell us how much better you are than the rest of us, and how Christ-like you are in your perfection.

Now, go bother people who want to have your religious values shoved down their throats. (no pun intended with the topic).
 
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:02 pm

There are 14 books that have been removed from the Bible. Halos on saints and angles are copied from the ancient Egyptian sun disks. Jesus Christ was born in March (according to the Bible), yet his birth is celebrated in December. December 25th is the ancient pagan holiday of sol invictus (Unconquered Sun). Christian canonization is taken from the "god-making" rite of Euhemerus. Holy Communion is a practice borrowed from the Aztecs. The self-sacrifice of a young man (Jesus on the cross) appears in the earliest tradion of the Quetzalcoatl. The popular image of God in christian art is that of Zeus.

Sorry, when someone brought religion into it (not suprised at all by the way), I couldn't resist.
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:07 pm

I don't see porn as either degrading or second best thing around.
It's just entertainment like baseball, hockey or what ever you enjoy watching or doing. I think adult films can certainly enhance and re-create the spark in couples that can use some fire in there relationship.

I was in a flick a couple of years ago, I didn't get paid much for it but I wasn't in it for the money either. It was just something I was curious about and just thought I'd try it out.
I went to college with a lot of women that were strippers and did porn to help with there college expenses. It sure as hell beats getting on welfare.  Big grin



Sophiemaltese:
think the women who do it and want to do it are actually a lot stronger than most of us women.

Well stated Gretchen and I am glad to see a female chime in on this topic.


I know I sure don't have that kind of guts!

Well you may not have the guts, but you certainly have the body!  Big thumbs up




Sleekjet:
Do you really think this is how God intended you to use your time?

LOL!  Laugh out loud
I've conceded to the fact that I am goin' ta HELL!  Acting devilish


[Edited 2004-04-23 05:10:39]
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MSYtristar
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:14 pm

"Can't you just let me go to hell my own way?" - Wild Bill Hickock

Who's to say what's right and what's wrong? To each his/her own. If we all liked the same things the world would be a damn boring place.


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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:19 pm

Porn is on a 60 day hiatus in the US.

Major HIV epidemic.

Sad.

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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:22 pm

There are 14 books that have been removed from the Bible. Halos on saints and angles are copied from the ancient Egyptian sun disks. Jesus Christ was born in March (according to the Bible), yet his birth is celebrated in December. December 25th is the ancient pagan holiday of sol invictus (Unconquered Sun). Christian canonization is taken from the "god-making" rite of Euhemerus. Holy Communion is a practice borrowed from the Aztecs. The self-sacrifice of a young man (Jesus on the cross) appears in the earliest tradion of the Quetzalcoatl. The popular image of God in christian art is that of Zeus.

Thanks for the laugh. Obviously, you don't know much about the Bible or Christianity.
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:25 pm

For all of you Holy Rollers, I've got a t-shirt for ya'll. Big grin


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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:35 pm

Superfly...that's classic man! That reminds me of the "Jesus did it for the chicks" shirt that my brother used to have.


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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:36 pm

MSYtristar:
Hey if you type "Jesus loves porn" in to an image search at google, you get this funny image with Jerry Farwell and a certain reproductive organ.
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:10 pm

Guess not, you better enlighten me quick!  Big thumbs up
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BN747
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:08 pm

You guys have gutter values. Do you really think this is how God intended you to use your time?

II Cor. 4:17-18


Username: Dasa

Which god would that be?


LOL..one thing you count on at A.net...is good laugh!

Porn is on a 60 day hiatus in the US.

Major HIV epidemic



Neil if you believe that...gas prices will be back at $.99 a gallon tomorrow. Sure, the major productions houses closed doors..but the quickly went into 'negative-pickup' mode and told on going productions to finish up or keep going under 'independent production' ops in some cheesy apartment complex in 'the Valley' somewhere! But they did put on a nice face for the public!

BN747


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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:48 pm

YEAH!!!!
Rick Solomon has just sold the rights of distributing the homesex Video of him and Paris Hilton.
So it will be realesed under the name " One night in Paris".
That's what I call a very good title for that movie  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Pornography

Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:43 pm

There is nothing wrong with porn, its all natural
 
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 3:52 am

There is absolutely nothing wrong with porn. I have actually thought about doing it several times. I have been asked to do pron many times but have not yet. I might do it eventually but the time has not been right yet. To address the pay thing, I was being offered $500.00 just to pleasure myself in front of the camera, and let them film me "getting off" That is not bad money at all! Now of course you get a lot more to be with a guy than a woman but I just haven't been able to bring myself to it... Maybe one day ill go do the woman/man thing, well see.......
I should also add that the industry has changed a lot. Now days people want to see a hot guy with a nice body and big di*k, and also a hot woman, nice body, that doesn't look like used up trash. Before, anyone that would do it could. Now they look for us guys in strip clubs so they have to compete with how much we make in a night dancing....
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:10 am

So they asked you while you were stripping UAL?
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BN747
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:28 am

The majority of adult film performers are not contractual, and take in less than $50 for a six-minute average scene (which requires 30min to 6hours of filming; depending on the quality of the film, and whether scripting is involved).



"I was being offered $500.00 just to pleasure myself in front of the camera, and let them film me "getting off" That is not bad money at all! Now of course you get a lot more to be with a guy than a woman but I jus..."


All of this must be outside Southern California (the Valley in particular) because in they are paying much more than that here. They mask it as 'seeking male and female models from $2000-5000 a day)... but everyone here knows what the deal is. The bottomline is if you know you are the sh*t (body, looks,endowment) you're gonna get top dollar 'if you can perform'. Sure they'll try to low ball you...but as I said..if you've got the goods (and you're awar of it)..they won't let you leave the premise without a deal! The big porn producers like Diabolic and Red Light District (like most) actually subcontract out..and that's where you really get taken for ride and don't it even see it coming..so confidence and a little knowledge will help if you decide to it...

But remember once you do it..it's done and it's permenant and your ass is literally out there for the world to see....FOREVER! Personally...porn has it's use in society (esp. a sexually repressed society like ours [USA] see how we wigged out over seeing a boob on national tv!... in the year 2004 nonetheless!). But I strongly advise against it if you seriously have any other future aspirations..if you don't..knock yourself out! And good luck...you'll need it!

BN747
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:35 am

All of this must be outside Southern California (the Valley in particular) because in they are paying much more than that here.

Nah. Most of what I speak remains within the San Fernando realm...



They mask it as 'seeking male and female models from $2000-5000 a day)

Sorta like the "Make $2000-5000/day in your home!!!" ads you see in just about any newspaper ya might read.... only performer in a blue moon comes anywhere near that level of compensation (particularly on a continual basis)



so confidence and a little knowledge will help if you decide to it...

It's been my experience that those (above all else) are two characteristics producers specifically seek to avoid, particularly in the case of males.
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:38 am

 
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:47 am

ConcordeBoy -

You seem to be hinting a lot that you are an "insider" to this industry.

Care to elaborate (clearly) - or continue to drop feeble hints now and then?

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BN747
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:51 am

so confidence and a little knowledge will help if you decide to it...

It's been my experience that those (above all else) are two characteristics producers specifically seek to avoid, particularly in the case of males.


Sure it is..but if they can see 'they have a moneymaker'...they strike before the 'next appointment' (porn interview) does! They don't care about that..they already know they can liquor or drunk you up at a party later and get you be 'more flexible'..trust me they know how to hook you...if they see financial gain.

Sorta like the "Make $2000-5000/day in your home!!!" ads you see in just about any newspaper ya might read.... only performer in a blue moon comes anywhere near that level of compensation (particularly on a continual basis)

Not the same..the net that's cast to catch these bunch of suckers is much wider simply because of the gullibility factor. The porn peeps go (hopefully) with some antennas up..but most are usually deperate people who are 5 months behind in rent and don't wanna return home to Kanas...so they will take the $500 bucks...but like said..if they've got the goods and know it...they can seize the upper hand in negotiations.

The $50 bucks porn....LOL that's gotta be a joke out there somewhere...I'm sure the underground East LA guys pay more than that...even for broken down hookers with golf ball dimples (aka cellulite) on their ass!


BN747

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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:52 am

take it to email if you want
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:57 am

BN747,

I understand what you're saying, and yes it does occur in multiple examples; but you're stuck viewing the industry through the experiences of the Janines, Ken Rykers, Peter Norths, Jill Kellys, Jenna Jamesons, Vivid Hot-boy/girls, etc; all of the other overexposed high-profile types.

...but if you truly believe that the standard non-contractual (despite their attributes) performer* even pulls in three digits plus for a single scene, you're sadly mistaken.


*who constitutes by far the majority of material sold.
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:08 am

As the sinner I am I thought the Paris Hilton video that are going to be released by a greedy ex-bf had a catchy title "one night in Paris"...
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:06 am

Concord977:
I can't speak for ConcordeBoy but I did a shoot once for a cheap flick and one other for an erotic art exhibit. I didn't feel degraded nor did I feel treated like a piece of meat.
When I started college it was at Cal State University Northridge (CSUN) which is in the San Fernando Valley and yes there is a lot of porn shot down there. There are ads posted at CSUN as well as Pierce Junior College. It makes a lot of sense because there are a lot of hot babes down there and it's an easy way to put yourself through school without being a burden on your parents and for those that don't have that luxury of calling mommy and daddy for $$.

The funny thing was that the film I was in was shot a block away from the actual Brady Bunch house.  Smile

Too bad I couldn't have done it with Marcia.

The other was up here for a body art exhibit. My body was used to paint a tornado. There were some other interesting body art displays and I wish I could post some here.
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RE: Pornography

Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:10 am

Superfly, what's the name of the movie?
I bet WidgetBoi'd love to rent it.
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:25 am

Ushermittwoch:
Man that's going back to 1994, I can't remember. It was part of a series. I'll try to find out. I have a cousin down there that is still active in that industry. He might know.
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BN747
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:10 am

I didn't feel degraded nor did I feel treated like a piece of meat.

There's nothing wrong with being treated like a piece of meat...as long as you like who's doing the 'treating'...

Here's where a lot of people are unable to discern the diff. between sex and love (making).


BN747

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RE: Pornography

Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:31 am

Ushermittwoch,
Yes they did, anytime we work in a club they are always there to recruit us. I have never not been asked when working in a club. They also will throw parties and pay us to come in then basically try to pitch it to us then.

Concordeboy,
Are you in the industry....?
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RE: Pornography

Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:51 am

He's not in the industry if he's living in New Orleans.
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RE: Pornography

Tue Apr 27, 2004 10:04 am

So Superfly was a porn star huh.
That is scary! Big grin

I am no porn star but I've been told I look a lot like Ron Jeremy.  Sad
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RE: Pornography

Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:12 am

Concordeboy,
Are you in the industry....?


Long story. If you want the details, take it to email.
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RE: Pornography

Tue Apr 27, 2004 11:20 am

REPEAT: He's not in the industry if he's living in New Orleans.
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