vanessa
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US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:40 am

Records of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry's Vietnam War service released Wednesday, April 21, 2004 show a highly praised naval officer who volunteered for a dangerous assignment and at one point was "unofficially credited with 20 enemy killed in action.''

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/military_records.html

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/kerry_military_records

Is this a new criteria for promoting future US presidents?

[Edited 2004-04-22 18:49:12]

[Edited 2004-04-22 18:58:39]
 
WellHung
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:18 am

Well, the article clearly states:

John Kerry has responded to critics of his service in the Vietnam War with documents showing high praise from his supervisors

It's actually the FIRST SENTENCE in the article.

So the answer to your question... No.
 
vanessa
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:55 am

WELLHUNG,

20 "enemies" were killed in Vietnam by the future US president: A FACT.

Does this make him a better candidate?

Should it be a national proud?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/040422/480/ny13204220251&e=5&ncid=1756






 
aa61hvy
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:59 am

Geez, you come out swinging... This ought to be interesting....
----
Who was your leader no more than 6 months ago?
Go big or go home
 
vanessa
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:15 am

Aa61hvy

Fill in the blanks:

A. Saddam a M*F* killer; Saddam was defeated and jailed.
B. kerry killed 20 Vietnamese, kerry should be ........And .......

 
leviticus
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:26 am

Fill in the blanks:

A. Saddam a M*F* killer; Saddam was defeated and jailed.
B. Kerry killed 20 Vietnamese, Kerry should be ........And .......



Tortured and killed maybe ?
 
aa61hvy
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Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:35 am

B. not be president, and go on a vacation
Go big or go home
 
cba
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 5:59 am

I'm sorry, but you just can't compare Kerry's killings of 20 Vietnamese to Saddam's killing of thousands. Saddam systematically had thousands of Iraqis tortured and killed. Kerry, along with any other soldier in Vietnam, had to kill in order not to be killed. He then returned and protested the war that he did not agree with, but in which he served anyway.
 
cba
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:01 am

Forgot one bit...

Kerry is not bragging about his killing of 20 enemies in Vietnam. The opposition has pressed for him to release all of his military records, and he has. Just because one of the files said that he killed 20 Vietnamese does not mean that he is flaunting this fact.
 
ushermittwoch
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:04 am

And killing 20 enemies makes him a better patriot than screwing 20 chicks while AWOL.  Big grin
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
vafi88
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:26 am

And killing 20 enemies makes him a better patriot than screwing 20 chicks while AWOL


Correction:

Killing 20 enemies makes him more patriotic than smoking 20 grams of weed everyday.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
 
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:30 am

I prefer that kind of leader, someone who has seen war close, than someone who only seen it on TV.
From New Yorqatar to Califarbia...
 
VectorVictor
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:35 am

I prefer that kind of leader, someone who has seen war close, than someone who only seen it on TV.

How many Swedish leaders have seen war up close. I thought the Swedes were neutrals.
 
ushermittwoch
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:46 am

Maybe that is his secret, forbidden fantasy.
 Big grin
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leviticus
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:38 am

"How many Swedish leaders have seen war up close. I thought the Swedes were neutrals."

None ! Because they are a bunch of asholes. The closest thing this country have come to war the last 200 years (except for being a jerk during WW2) is having UN peace keepers in former Yugoslavia who were raping teenage girls-
 
BA
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 8:51 am

None ! Because they are a bunch of asholes. The closest thing this country have come to war the last 200 years (except for being a jerk during WW2) is having UN peace keepers in former Yugoslavia who were raping teenage girls-

You make it sound as if war is a good thing Leviticus and that you are mad that Sweden hasn't truly been involved in war for the last 200 years.  Insane
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Alpha 1
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:33 am

Vanessa-Kerry was a soldier. In war soldiers have to kill, or be killed. He did his duty, to protect himself and his men. Got it?

If you even try to compare Saddam Hussein, who ordered gassing of civilians to protect his POWER, to John Kerry protecting his men, you're really messed up.

Should it be a prerequisite to be president? Look at our last three elections, deary: we elected one man, twice, who never served in the military, and one who never saw combat. So that should answer your question.
 
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:33 pm

If you even try to compare Saddam Hussein, who ordered gassing of civilians to protect his POWER, to John Kerry protecting his men, you're really messed up.

She is, and to adress her first question: obviously not enough.
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
 
L-188
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:34 pm

Kerry was a soldier

No he wasn't, he was a sailor. And an officer to boot!



Sorry but got to put an interservice jab at there.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
Alessandro
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:28 pm

VectorVictor, former Swedish PM Bildt was in Lisabon as a reporter during the coup in Lisabon during the 1970ies, got in the middle of the shooting. Definitly a war-like experience....
From New Yorqatar to Califarbia...
 
CPH-R
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 10:59 pm

In other news: George W. Bush still not sure where he was during the Vietnam War, despite being a member of the ANG. Might be influence by intake of cocaine and/or alcohol.

Will keep you posted if he ever finds out  Laugh out loud
 
L.1011
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:29 pm

Notice how the allegedly "Iraqi" Vanessa has oddly abandoned this thread...
 
vanessa
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:49 pm

L.1011

You are mistaken Sir,

I am just watching you discussing out of topic issues.

Nobody has replied to me except WELLHUNG, Leviticus and Aa61hvy.

truth hurts sometimes and you're all afraid of it.

Now, here's another truth:

Since March 2003

715 US soldiers have died in Iraq;
3,864 wounded

Of them:
107 were killed , and 595 were wounded during this month of April.

Civilians reported killed by military intervention in Iraq:
10769
(A bit less than those reported killed or Gassed by Saddam Hussein).

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Till this hour, the War in Iraq Cost the United States
$111,597,957,942.

http://costofwar.com/

Counters are still on.

Isn't this enough yet?
 
aa61hvy
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Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:55 pm

Vanessa-if you are really an Iraqi, shouldn't you be praising the US? Who's to say that if we hadn't ousted your former leader that you wouldn't have been one of the thousands killed by him? I just don't see your point on this thread, it seems like you are trying to make the US look bad, but what you and some of your fellow country men don't realize is we did you a favor...
Go big or go home
 
vanessa
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:59 pm

Very strange era

The more you kill, the more you get desirable.

 
aa61hvy
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:03 am

Vanessa the problem was taken care of in Iraq, now we are just cleaning up any riffraff, so when we do leave they wont take over
Go big or go home
 
vanessa
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:25 am

Aa61hvy

No Sir,

You didn't do bad to us by removing Saddam Hussein's regime. We may thank you for this later, but I am sure not today, neither tomorrow.

AS:

*Killing 100 000s of newborns and babies, (Indirectly) by imposing sanctions
on importing medication and medical equipments to Iraq since 1993, and
*killing 10 800 Civilians till today ( tomorrow the # will be much higher), and
*The theft of our natural resources (starting from oil till the theft of more
than 300 000 rare pieces from our national museum in Baghdad...Etc), and
*Imposing a dummy government on us, and...
*The list might go longer and longer.

DOES HARM THE STATES MORE THAN IT HARMS IRAQIS.


"Riffraff", is me and all the silent people who live here and don't believe in your country soldiers being our saviours.
At least till now.

Salam on you.
 
mopac
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:27 am

Then what's your plan, Vanessa?... other than spending the next 16 years anxiously awaiting your next opportunity to be really really pissed off. By the way, is it raining in Munich?  Yeah sure
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:29 am

You don't believe than GWB main target was to kick butt Saddam only?

do you?

Come on!
 
Alpha 1
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:30 am

*Killing 100 000s of newborns and babies, (Indirectly) by imposing sanctions

That falls squarely on Saddam Hussein, not the US, nor the UN, lady. He kew the consequences of those actions back in the early 1990's, and he didn't live up to his end of the deal, thus sanctions were levied-BY THE U.N.

I'm sure you'll make a good character witness for Saddam at his trial.  Smile
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 12:33 am

Alpha 1.

You are wrong. I never supported Saddam.

If I don't support Saddam, this doesn't mean that I should support American presence in Iraq.

Both are different surfaces of the same currency.
 
Alpha 1
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:37 am

Then, if you REALLY feel that way, put the blame where it belongs for what you ticked of-it belongs on Saddam, and no one else.
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 1:49 am

ALPHA 1

Believe me I will be very happy to be present at Saddam's trial, and be sure that my life story will help convicting and sentencing him from his first appearance in the court.

MoPac, and L.1011

Yes, I am a true Iraqi young lady, my true name is Vanessa, but I like to be called Vian. I do have brothers and sisters (Yvan, Sergei, Kareem and Sveta).
My parents! Oh, last time I saw my father was when he picked us up to the Jordanian borders when I was 5 year old, my mother lives in Kharkov-Ukraine.

I live between Russia-Ukraine, Syria, Lebanon and Iran, as my family is spread out in these countries.

I do have a dream to go back to Baghdad one day, unfortunately I don't have the power to do this right now.

So please, grow up and stop threatening me of being one of Saddam's supporter.

And please please please, If you are in a middle of a conversation or a debate, try to teach yourself how to convince others in a delicate manner, and prepare yourselves for being convinced at the same time.

I have nothing against Americans. I do have a lot of friends and relatives living there. I do respect the people of America, the same as dozens of other middle eastern members of this forum , I am just against the American policy that GBW and the Department of State is following in the Middle East.

Peace on you.


[Edited 2004-04-24 19:00:22]
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 2:31 am

ALPHA 1

The blame falls on:

1. Saddam. Just for being Saddam.
2. America which supported Saddam for more than 10 years during the destructive war against Iran. He was then the only middle eastern angel
fighting the Islamic fundamentalist revolution in Iran.
3. America again and all its security agencies for not predicting and preventing Iraqi invasion to Kuwait. An act that fells only in the
interests and benefits of the US as shown and proven later.
4. America again after invading Iraq using the discrepancy policy
among different sects, religions, and nations of Iraq. The more these
groups fights between themselves, the more the Americans feels free to
achieve their main goal (which you might not agree on) 10 000s of miles
away from the its borders.

Salam on you.


[Edited 2004-04-24 19:35:57]
 
MaverickM11
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:37 am

"Isn't this enough yet?"

You're right. Let's put Saddam back in charge and call it a day. That's what the Iraqis deserve at this point.
E pur si muove -Galileo
 
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:41 am

"*Killing 100 000s of newborns and babies, (Indirectly) by imposing sanctions

You are wrong. Under those sanctions and the concommitant oil-for-food program, the Kurds did just fine, but the Iraqis under the control of Saddam were devastated. That is not the fault of the US, and if you think that that is acceptable to blame the US, then you are completely out of your mind.

Like I said, let's put Saddam back in power; he was the only person to be able to control the trash.
E pur si muove -Galileo
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:49 am

MaverickM11,

Peace on you
 
MaverickM11
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:53 am

"America again and all its security agencies for not predicting and preventing Iraqi invasion to Kuwait. An act that fells only in the
interests and benefits of the US as shown and proven later."

So you ARE *that* girl that blames everything on America.


What about the wholesale and system-wide failure of the Muslim community to engender any kind of quality leadership among itself? That's America's fault too right?
E pur si muove -Galileo
 
mopac
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:58 am

20 "enemies" were killed in Vietnam by the future US president: A FACT.

Just wanted to clarify that, like most democracies, the next US president isn't know until the day of the election... technically. John Kerry is not guaranteed to be a future US president. I'm not being sarcastic but rather wanted to make it clear as those who've never lived under democracies often don't understand how future leaders rise to power, especially since we have the son of a former president serving as president today.


truth hurts sometimes and you're all afraid of it

The exception being when one doesn't know what "hurt" is.



...you could add on to the reasons in reply 33 all day long but let me offer something that lept out at me, and I may be wrong but in any case-

#5 The Iraqi people for allowing their country to fall under the control of barbarians such as Saddam and failing to successfully put the power in the hands of the people.
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:06 am

MaverickM11,

This is a great question. I thank you for posting it.

I blame the American foreign policy in the Middle east , yes. I say it loudly.

If you promise me to stay cool, be open minded and not to make of this thread a muslims VS Christians, Arabs VS Israelis or west VS East debate., then I will be more than happy to share my ideas with you.

Either you convince me, or I convince you.

Just for your information, and if it does matter, I am not Muslim.
So please stay out of this topic.
Religion has nothing to do here.

Peace on you.
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:25 am

MoPac,

Unfortunately, Democracy is found only in the States. I agree with you.
I hope you will apply it well in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I wish this truly from the bottom of my heart.

Considering the meaning of hurt, I don't wish to anybody on earth to be hurt in his life the way I was hurt.

Considering letting Barbarians taking control of my country, you are 100% right also. I wish no countries interfere in other country's business, let Serbians, Bosnians, Palestinians, Israelis, Kashmiris, red Khmeer, and other nations live peacefully without interfering with each others business.

Imagine this.

Peace on you
 
Alpha 1
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:46 am

I blame the American foreign policy in the Middle east , yes. I say it loudly.

So, you DO blame the U.S. for the fact that, for the most part, the Arab world has a bunch incompetent fools as leaders. Interesting, since their YOUR leaders, Vanessa. Assad, Mubarak, Arafat, etc, it's all the U.S. fault, eh? No wonder the Arab world never gets anywhere. They're too busy blaming the U.S. and Israel for all their faults, instead of doing things to make their lives better.
 
aa61hvy
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:49 am

" I wish no countries interfere in other country's business, let Serbians, Bosnians, Palestinians, Israelis, Kashmiris, red Khmeer, and other nations live peacefully without interfering with each others business."

Vanessa- time to step out of the box, they tried and many many people died, so there goes that idea...

The only way Democracy will be applied in Iraq and Afghanistan is if the US and Britain enforce it that is THE ONLY way.
Go big or go home
 
vanessa
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Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:10 am

You said it Alpha 1,

I congratulate you.

Yes, Arafat , Moubarak, and most of the arab leaders ARE all incompetent fools and bastards.

If you ask any (60 scorer) IQ arab citizen about this, you will hear the same answer.

I admit that this is the most balanced and clever thing you have written today.

Haven't you asked yourself, why is that Arafat is still alive?

He was under the Israeli snipers field in Beirut in 1982 in more than 100's occasions, in Tunisia, Libya, and even more in Beirut during the civil war when any of the guerilla members would kill him for $50.

Today also, he is still surrounded and under a 24 hrs threat, but why is he still alive? who needs him? his people? Come on.

He is for his people the same as Saddam was for Iraqi people before the war.

Do you know who needs him?

I tell you Israel.

They know how stupid he is, they know that he will keep making mistake after another, and this way, any reaction they make against him and his people will be legal and understood by the whole world.
This is what the war anti terrorism is.

The same applies for Bin Laden. Just ask Mr. Clinton and GWB why they didn't kill him years before the 9/11 tragedy.

All arab leaders are part of the conspiracy.

Capito?

Salam on you.


 
ushermittwoch
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:45 am

Wow, this thread is getting really intense. And OFF TOPIC.
But that's the norm on this forum, innit?!
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
L.1011
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:14 am

Vanessa,

1. Saddam. Just for being Saddam.

Absolutely right on that point.

2. America which supported Saddam for more than 10 years during the destructive war against Iran. He was then the only middle eastern angel
fighting the Islamic fundamentalist revolution in Iran.


We sided with Saddam because AT THAT POINT, he had done nothing to our country, while Iran held a large amount of Americans hostage for over a year, something which we could have stopped quite easily, if only not for Jimmy Carter, nice man, lousy President. Iran was enemy #1 at that point, Saddam was just another crazy guy that had done nothing to us at that point. Just as we gave the Mujahahdeen equipment to fight the Soviets, we felt that a hostile Mujahadeen was a LOT easier to beat than the Soviets, which were quite equal to us from a military standpoint and just crazy enough to use a nuke. We felt if Saddam turned hostile, we could overrun him relatively easily, while Iran, 3 times the size, would be more difficult.

3. America again and all its security agencies for not predicting and preventing Iraqi invasion to Kuwait. An act that fells only in the
interests and benefits of the US as shown and proven later.


Kuwait was and is a great ally to the United States of America, one of only a few sane countries in that part of world, in the ranks of Israel (puts on anti-Arab flame suit), Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, and Oman, as well as Jordan and Turkey, and soon (hopefully) Iraq. Notice I did NOT include Saudi Arabia. They were illegally invaded with hopes of colonization and annexation, not liberation. Yes, we violated Iraq's sovereignty, but we were liberating 25 million people. Saddam wanted to annex Kuwait as part of Iraq. We'll leave when Iraq is stable, Saddam had no plans to. We cannot predict every possible security issue in the world, we can have contingency plans. Besides, even if we knew he was going to, what were we supposed to do? We would have been criticized just as harshly then for being preemptive as we are now.

4. America again after invading Iraq using the discrepancy policy
among different sects, religions, and nations of Iraq. The more these
groups fights between themselves, the more the Americans feels free to
achieve their main goal (which you might not agree on) 10 000s of miles
away from the its borders.


A differing policy? Yes we had one. Some groups were oppressed by the Baathists, some contained most of the Baathists. We treated the Kurds and Marsh Arabs with the most leniency, because they were the most eager to have Saddam gone and the least likely to attack us back. Notice you hear next to nothing from both of these groups, the way modern news works, no news is good news. The Shiites were also oppressed harshly, but they were 60% of the country and an uprising among them would be much more difficult to stop. The majority of the Baathists were/are Sunni, so we were the most cautious with them, because they were the most likely threat. Its simple logic. You should be glad we have the power to bring liberty, democracy, and freedom to nations thousands of miles beyond our borders, because France doesn't seem too eager to do so.

Peace on you that means? Same to you if it does.




 
galaxy5
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:18 am

So, let me get this strait, Its America's fault that the middle east has crappy leadership. The US and Israel want Arafat, Saddam, Bin Laden and all those other terrorists around for our own good and self interests, so the world will somehow feel for us (and i dont think Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter have a conspiracy to keep those terrorists going). Its just a great big American & Israeli conspiracy.


And for someone who claims to not be a muslim or whatever you want to call yourself, why do you keep posting Islamic praises like "peace on you" and " Salam on you". I thought Just for your information, and if it does matter, I am not Muslim.
So please stay out of this topic.
Religion has nothing to do here.
this meant you arent a religious person so why keep infering it.
"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
 
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:24 am

The more I read Vanessa's posts and truly try to understand and analyze what she? Is saying, the more I feel there is something fishy going on here.
"damn, I didnt know prince could Ball like that" - Charlie Murphy
 
BA
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:26 am

So, let me get this strait, Its America's fault that the middle east has crappy leadership.

According to a new excellent book that just came out called Nasser: The Last Arab, yes.

Let me post the summary of this book:

Since the death of Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser in 1970, there has been no ideology to capture the imagination of the Arab world except Islamic fundamentalism. What we see today in the Middle East is the direct result of Western opposition to Nasser's Arab nationalist ideals and his belief in the supremacy of the secular state.

Nasser is a towering figure in Arab politics. When he refused to follow a strictly American line, the CIA tried to undermine him. He responded by throwing in his lot with the Soviet Union, even though he was fervently anti-Communist. Nasser wanted to achieve military par with Israel, to create a balance of power that would lead to peace and not the '56 or '67 wars.

A dictator with a human bent, Nasser was extremely popular, and his pan-Arab ideology appealed to many and produced a brief chance for Arab unity and a cluster of relatively democratic, incorruptible governments.

Nowadays the Arab world is Islamic, anti-Western, and teetering on the edge of disaster. Although Nasser's ambitions came to an end because the West opposed him, what replaced him is infinitely more dangerous.


why do you keep posting Islamic praises like "peace on you" and " Salam on you".

That is not an Islamic phrase. Where on earth did you ever hear this?
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
 
vanessa
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RE: US President 2020! How Many Iraqis Killed?

Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:35 am

Galaxy5,

I was trying to reply on L.1011 very clever post when you interrupted me.

Salam is not a muslim word, it is Arabic. Arabic language is spoken by all arabs without exceptions (Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs and Jew Arabs).

Salam = Peace = Pace = La Paix = Mir = Shalom.

Arabic language is BTW very similar to hebrew. There are a lot of common between us. Arab and hebrew are Semite languages. we both write from right to left and we use almost the same grammar laws.

Arabs say Salam, Israeli say Shalom.

Considering fishing, nothing fishy my dear with my posts. Just sit, relax, read, and make conclusions.

Salam on you.

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