vanessa
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Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:18 am

Norway announced at the outset that the Norwegian contingent in Iraq would be withdrawn this summer.

The foreign Minister Petersen says Afghanistan is NATO's main priority, and that Norway does not have the resources needed to remain in Iraq as well.



Salam on you.

[Edited 2004-04-24 20:25:12]
 
Mikey711MN
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:44 am

Complements of our/America's push to destablize Iraq while the job in Afghanistan remained unfinished, the world--NATO, UN, you name it--now has two concurrent priorities.

I'll be curious to see if countries like Norway, Spain, etc. devote these Iraq troops over to the Afghanistan to solve that problem or if that the "main priority" is just political wind to get them home until the problems become too big on a world scale.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:52 am

Amazing how up until Spain decided to surrender to the terrorists and leave Iraq, all the liberals and their allies in the media were saying that the U.S. should have had "international support" and that we went in "unilaterally".

Now all of a sudden, there are dozens of countries with troops and support personal in Iraq but they're only mentioned if they decide to run away as well.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 4:05 am

Private contractors rank #3 in the Coalition, behind US troops and British troops, in terms of sheer numbers. The exodus of those other token support countries (and their hundreds of troops) only exacerbates the point of unilateralism and how these countries feel that even such paltry support isn't worth the risk any more.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 5:06 am

There are some Norwegian soldiers in Iraq right now. But they were never a part of the invading force (US, UK, Spain, Denmark, Italy and others), but on a strictly civilian mission, and their stay was never meant to last more than half a year.
Current events has nothing to do with this redrawal at all.

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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:19 am

Norway and Spain have the right idea.

We should leave too and let the country self-destruct, it's going to happen eventually, whether we leave now or 10 years from now.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:34 am

Boy, there's been some serious deletion work done here!  Laugh out loud

AFAIK, the Norwegian "forces" (if it's even appropriate to call them that) weren't withdrawn because anyone's concerns, but because they were due to return home anyway and the Norwegians didn't extend the assignment. To say that "Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq" is a wee bit incorrect, in my opinion.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 8:58 am

As I said before:

THE AXIS OF WEASELS IS GAINING MOMENTUM.

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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 9:00 am

good! all that's needed now is more countries to realize bush was wrong and leave before more people need to die unnecessarily.
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Klaus
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:33 am

I don´t think it´s people/forces leaving that would help Iraq or anybody else; What´s needed is people/forces starting to do the right thing for a change.

At this stage with everything screwed up that far a complete pullout would just create yet another disaster. The damage is done - now the cleanup will be a lot more expensive than it might have been otherwise, but it still needs to be done.

And Afghanistan is far from over as well - if it´s going to be neglected the way it´s been so far, this one will go back to hell just as certainly as Iraq!
 
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:43 pm

Question, if all of these countries are pulling out of the current peacekeeping effort in Iraq...............Then how was/is the current occupation by definition not an international effort?
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L-188

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:55 pm

Because only a small minority of the international community was involved (especially when you´re comparing population figures - although most of the actual populations were against it anyway), and without UN authorization on top of that. Look at the troop numbers and it´s even clearer (with mercenaries in third place!).
 
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Sun Apr 25, 2004 10:59 pm

Thank you, Norway, for your help with the civilian mission. The U.S. appreciates your help!
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 1:29 am

B757300, the Spaniards are leaving because they changed government,
others have other reasons.
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747400F
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:01 am

Wish the danish lot would leave too. But as a primeminister is the lapdog of Blair/Bush fat chance that will happen.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 11:47 am

lol, what's "Salam on you" mean?  Laugh out loud

Seriously though, that last phrase seemed so out of left field and if Norway wants to follow NATO into Afganistan so be it.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 12:44 pm

Look at the troop numbers and it´s even clearer (with mercenaries in third place!).

You say "mercenary" as if it's necessarily a bad thing...... if you're referring to the PMCs involved in Iraq; well, they're in Afghanistan as well. Karzai's bodyguards are US PMC employees - the exact company, I believe, used to be called DynCorp, but I think CSC bought them out a while ago......

Being a professional soldier is certainly not a disdainful career choice.....
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:31 pm

747400F

I agree with you too. It's really getting out of hand down there and it's turning to one big mess.
But as long as we have Fjogh! as our leader that will never happen. He loves to kiss Bush's ass.
 
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 3:49 pm

I agree with you too. It's really getting out of hand down there and it's turning to one big mess.

Hrm, interesting response, considering your signature is;

If something's hard to do, then It's not worth doing.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:07 pm

Goose,

It's a safing from the Great Homer Simpson. I could change it if it makes you happy. Big grin
But I still stick to my opinion.

[Edited 2004-04-26 09:08:54]
 
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 4:19 pm

Lehpron,

Salam on you means May peace be with you on arabic.
 
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:42 pm

>>>We should leave too and let the country self-destruct, it's going to happen eventually, whether we leave now or 10 years from now.<<<

That's what happened to Afganistan after the Soviets left. The country fell into anarchy, the Taliban took control and the rest I'm sure you're aware of.

Having a country "self destruct" is not in the best interest of anybody, except of course those who try to precipitate such events.

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Goose

Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:10 pm

Goose: You say "mercenary" as if it's necessarily a bad thing......

They´re given military authority without any democratic control. They´re basically thugs for hire. I know very well that they themselves don´t see it that way and most of them are (hopefully) trying to behave properly. But the situation their "deployment" is creating is highly problematic.

It´s another attempt to do the war "on the cheap" - no matter the cost.  Nuts

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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Wed Apr 28, 2004 2:39 am

If you have read my posts regarding Spain (Before VC-10 put his political views before the forum and deleted them) you would know that I am completely against those cowards for what they have done, HOWEVER this is not the case with Norway, as mentioned above they are not leaving early and they are not just abandoning all of the other troops and leaving them with all the extra work without notice. Norway has a very legit reason for pulling out of Iraq, they feel that they resources are spread too thin and they have a long-term commitment to Afghanistan which they are going to fulfill. Norway was there when called upon and I commend them for that. They now feel that it is in their best interest for national security reasons (not letting into the terrorist) to give notice that they will have to pull out of this part of The War On Terrorism, however they continue to support the coalition in Afghanistan.
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RE: Norway Follows Spain Out Of Iraq

Thu Apr 29, 2004 6:55 am

They´re given military authority without any democratic control. They´re basically thugs for hire. I know very well that they themselves don´t see it that way and most of them are (hopefully) trying to behave properly. But the situation their "deployment" is creating is highly problematic.

The private military companies involved are businesses; it's in their best interest for having continued employment to behave properly. They're also paid very, very well; and they simply will do things for money which normal soldiers wouldn't - dangerous duties and so on - and are preferable to indiginous forces when it comes to protecting foreign dignitaries like Karzai in Afghanistan; they're less likely to be swayed by their personal convictions, because they have few if any. As I said, they're in it for the money, and can be trusted because they're bound by a contract.

That's not necessarily a bad thing, either.

[Edited 2004-04-28 23:58:31]
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