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Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:25 am

Well with the new finger-painted kindergarden project iraq flag that was unvieled recently isnt exactly getting alot of priase.So,why dont you show your idea for what the new flag should really look like?

How about this?


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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:25 am

How about don't change it at all because the current one is fine:



I really don't want it changed at all. It's a very nice flag.

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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:35 am

How about the government and authorities over there do what NEEDS to be done, to get the country under control and get them on their own.....seems to me that creating a new flag is a waste of time.
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:48 pm

Futureualpilot - heard a very similar statement made about United Airlines recently too.

Go figure.

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Espion

Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:10 pm

The flag you designed looks pretty good, but what about adding an Islamic star or symbol to it?

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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:35 pm

The flag you designed looks pretty good, but what about adding an Islamic star or symbol to it?

And why don't you add a Christian Cross to the U.S. flag? Do people and countries really need to be that exclusive (as in: excluding minority members of the population who are not of the majority religion right there on the flag)? I know that the majority muslims will insist on it, but it's pretty primitive behaviour if you ask me.

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Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 4:47 pm

Look whos talking, why dont the Swiss get a plain Red flag then?
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:22 pm

I have never heard of anyone attributing the cross on the Swiss flag as a Christian cross. The shape is not at all similar to that of the traditional Roman or Orthadox crosses. The root might of course be there, but it was designed over 700 years ago, when such attitudes were more common. We keep the same flag out of tradition, and as such we can forgive any such exclusive attitudes, real or imagined, because they do not necessarily reflect today's values. If the Swiss decided to create a new flag today, it would probably be quite different simply to avoid any such slights - real or imagined.

The same goes for other flags which have overt religious symbols on them. If the flag has been around for a long time, I consider those symbols OK - there is value in tradition and continuity. But if you decide to adopt a new flag, it should reflect the nation's values today and for the foreseeable future. In today's world, a nation that grants priviledges or rights to members of one religion and denies them to others is medieval, and designing a flag today which might be interpretted to embody such discrimination is hardly a step in the right direction. It simply says that they have either not evolved, or at worst, have evolved backwards.

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Swiss Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:45 pm

Maybe predecessores of the modern day swiss pharmaceutical companies sponsered the cross on the flag Big grin, I see it as a modern version of the Christian cross, a very nice modification if you ask me,(something a design firm would do in this day and age), it can be comapred to the modified image of a star thats depicted in many flags all over the world, we know a star looks nothing like that.
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 8:18 pm

Cfalk,
I doubt Iraqis really mind the "God is Great" written on the flag, and I have never heard of an Iraqi who doesnt mind the old flag. It is a symbol of nationalsim to them, not of Saddam, and I think that relegion should be shown on the flag as Iraq is very deeply influenced by Islam. You said that it should reflect a nations value today and in the future - Iraq's and many other nations around the worlds values are set by their relegions, so this does reflect them very well.
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:00 pm

QR332,

I don't mind the old (still current Iraqi flag, even though there is "God is Great" on it (I'll have to take your word for it - I don't speak Arabic. If the Iraqis decide to keep it, fine, because there is a certain amount of history and tradition involved. What I am saying is, that if they were to design one TODAY, given the fact that Iraq has a number of minorities that must be brought into the fold as willing partners in the nation, the flag should mean no more to one ethnic group than another. That was not a problem in Saddam's day or before - any minorities who stepped out of line were simply killed. You can't do that any more.

Airmale,

Given that the Swiss flag was adopted in 1291, as I recall, maybe it was a bit advanced. But even if it was meant as a Christian symbol, and that a majority of Swiss are Christian today, Muslims and other religious minorities find no oppression here, so the flag is not a symbol of oppression. Unlike in certain other countries where the dominant religion (not even necessarily a majority) seeks to enforce their religious laws on everyone else. Where there is this problem (Including Iraq), special attention should be made to ensure that the flag is neutral, and the government itself should ideally be neutral and secular as well.

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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 9:19 pm

Cfalk, the minorities dont mind it, and I understand what you mean. But, like I said, I still think it is important to show relegion on a country's flag as it is the country's heritage, and is what the country stands by.

The one thing that bugs me a lot about this flag is it does not look "Arabic" anymore. It does not show Iraq as an Arab country, but rather as a Muslim non-Arab counrty. I find it insulting that they changed it from that flag to this thing, but since i'm not Iraqi I cannot really say much bout it. Maybe Vanessa can tell us how she feels about it if shes still on the forums?
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Iraqi Flag

Wed Apr 28, 2004 10:38 pm

Given that Iraq is a secular country, it shouldn't have a Muslim symbol on it.
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:18 am

Here is my entry  Smile



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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 2:24 am

My entry:

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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:29 am

Hey EZYAirbus
Nice flag you made there i like it "LOL"
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 4:52 am

LOL EzyAirbus! Really does represent what Iraq stands for today...
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:11 am

QR332,

A. I am sure that the idea behind changing the flag is not Iraqi born.

B. Actually, I do believe that the old flag was a source of agony, distress and anguish to the aggressors more than it is to the Iraqi citizens.

C. Changing a flag never changes the will of Iraqis to fight for freedom and independence.

D. Any flag that only a free Iraqi Government suggests and agrees on is acceptable.

E. Go back to history and check what happened with the new Russian national theme introduced after the fall of USSR, the Russian government was forced by the elite people to bring the old USSR theme back.
 
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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:12 am

I repeat the following:

The crescent moon is not a symbol of Islam, it is the symbol of the Ottomans (Turkish) who ruled most of the ME countries for more than 500 years (1395-1918). To show his dominance, The Turkish Sultan, forced all muslims in his empire to attach the crescent moon on the top of mosque minarets, and muslims were forced also to include the sultan in their prayers. This is why the moon was considered a symbol of Islam by mistake.

I also mentioned somewhere else in this forum the history behind the famous European breakfast (Croissant) shape and the siege of vienna in 1683.

( Any suggestion of a new Iraqi breakfast?).

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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:26 am

How about.....



Or....

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RE: Design Your Own New Iraqi Flag

Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:37 am

A. I am sure that the idea behind changing the flag is not Iraqi born.

Why?

B. Actually, I do believe that the old flag was a source of agony, distress and anguish to the aggressors more than it is to the Iraqi citizens.

Why? The Coalition defeated it. Hardly a cause for anguish. Those fighting right now are hardly fighting for a better Iraq.

C. Changing a flag never changes the will of Iraqis to fight for freedom and independence.

Hmmmm... The current insurgency is fighting against granting internationally recognized sovereignity to an Iraqi provisional (and fairly representative) government on July 1, in preparation for free elections for a fully independant and democratic government. What is their proposed solution? For a Theocracy à-la Khomeini with Sadr at the helm? Or simply a free-for-all clan fight to see which man is ruthless enough to kill all his opponents and take charge? If you really care about the Iraqi people, don't you think that the orderly but rapid transition to democracy is the best way to go? Or is it democracy that you are worried about?

D. Any flag that only a free Iraqi Government suggests and agrees on is acceptable.

Agreed. So instead of fermenting civil war, how about helping Iraq get that free government via elections?

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