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The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 4:55 am

Back then, the deal was that you could be drafted but not vote. These days less than 25% of those within the 18-24/26 age bracket votes. I think that is because of the 'threat' of the draft is gone, no one is into politics and we've got college. And since bringing back the draft is unpopular, repealling the amendment should make those who really want to vote bring the amendment back.

Or at least that is the idea. You know the old saying, "don't know what you got til its gone" People should fight for freedoms rather than take them for granted, by not voting.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 5:09 am

wait... what? you're not making snese there.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 5:16 am

What doesn't make sense?



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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 5:22 am

Just to make it easier for those of us who have no idea what the 26th amendment says... do you have a link to a page where I (or others) could read it, or can you give me (resp. us) a short summary of what it says?

Thanks!
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 5:44 am

Perfect,ive got to write an essay on citizenship and im gonna start at 17:00  Smile
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 6:11 am

Amendment XXVI

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States, who are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of age.

Section 2. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 6:50 am

Just make the vote (and thusly, citizenship) a reward of service; that would probably encourage a good many people to accept civic duties and responsilbilities. It'd also probably have a by-product of creating a more stable political spectrum.

Either that, or make a penalty for NOT voting - loss of passport priviledges, and so on.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 7:04 am

Just make the vote (and thusly, citizenship) a reward of service

Nice to meet another 'Starship Troopers' fan. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I quite thought voting was compulsory in the USA already. There's been talk about it in the UK from time to time, and several countries have been mentioned as having such a system - I think Australia was one of them.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 7:20 am

I quite thought voting was compulsory in the USA already

bull!half of the US population arnt even eligable to vote anyway.And who knows what percentage of that half of the population actually does vote.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 7:36 am

My opinion is that if you are old enough to serve in the military, you are old enough to vote.

On the other point. Any requirement to perform or qualify to vote through some action may constitute a type of poll tax. And those have been illegal, and rightly so, for quite some time.

Should we make voting compulsory? I don't think so. In the words of Rush (not Limbaugh) or maybe Supertramp, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." We have to accept the fact that some people do not care about politics even to the point of not participating in the process at its most basic level.

Voting is a right and a responsibility, but not an obligation. I would rather some one not vote than a have a "party line voter", "single issue voter" or an ill informed voter that votes "just to vote."
 
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 8:28 am

We have to accept the fact that some people do not care about politics even to the point of not participating in the process at its most basic level.

Sure, but the problem is that those unwilling to participate in one election may jump in the next - civic duty and citizen responsibilities shouldn't be something to be picked up whenever you want, or left alone when you're not interested.

And exercising your voting franchise doesn't mean you have to cast a vote for anyone - just that you cast a vote. Casting a vote for "none of the above" or voiding your ballot - something I've done on occasion - means that voting meant enough to me to bother going to the polls, even if my vote counts for neither side.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 8:39 am

The real issue is why can you vote and join the military, but not buy alcohol....hmmm...

I'm almost 20 and I am confident that I know enough to vote responsibly.
 
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 8:41 am

You're absolutely right. Everyone should exercise their right to vote at all elections that concern them, but to legislate such a thing is to move a step closer to a society in which all choices are taken away from you. By the way, I am not one of those conspiracy theory fools that thinks every move the govt makes threatens my existance. I just don't feel that someone who is disinterested in the process should be required to participate. If that person decides that 1 particular election means something to him, than let him join in. More power to him. Maybe that will be the beginning of an interested voter. But God save us from those who will vote just for the sake of voting. They will press any button to satisfy the requirement.
 
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Tue May 04, 2004 8:41 am

huh? not everone votes, so no one should be allowed to?

. I think that is because of the 'threat' of the draft is gone, no one is into politics and we've got college.

I'd bet decent money college students vote at a higher rate than non college students in the same age bracket.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 8:56 am

Everyone should exercise their right to vote at all elections that concern them, but to legislate such a thing is to move a step closer to a society in which all choices are taken away from you.

*shrug* That's why I'd prefer citizenship to be a reward for public service, and not attach penalties for not voting. If you don't want to serve your nation, then fine - but don't expect your opinion to make any difference, especially since you can't vote or participate in politics. Citizenship should be earned, not simply given away....

Why not? Because we're seeing a genuine failiure of democracy in countries like the United States and in Europe - low voter turnouts, radicalization of the political spectrum, and so on. So why is that? One can assume that, since everyone is simply given citizenship and their voting franchise, that it really has no value to them.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 9:11 am

One can't make a free vote "compulsury". One can't force someone who doesn't want to vote, to go and vote anyway.

I don't see why this Amendment should be repealed, simply because the author of this thread doesn't like the voting percentages.
 
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 9:23 am

I don't see why this Amendment should be repealed, simply because the author of this thread doesn't like the voting percentages.

Probably because democracy suffers as a result; when voting percentages go down, as they have, you see a rise in marginalized or more radicalized politics taking centre stage - in the form of protests in the streets, and in more extreme cases, riots and so on - while a very large "silent" group of folks just sits and watches. It makes the political spectrum quite unstable, and not at all representative of the population.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 10:01 am

If any Amendment should be repealed, it should be the 17th Amendment (Direct Election of Senators).
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 10:07 am

If any Amendment should be repealed, it should be the 17th Amendment (Direct Election of Senators).

Huh? Care to tell us why?
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 10:17 am

It would make the Senate (and thus the federal government) more accountable to the states. The people already have their representatives in the House. The Senate was originally created in order to give the state governments a say in how the federal government was run. Now all the Senate has become a place where politicians cement themselves in for decades and are only interested in their own political careers.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 11:43 am

>> "Probably because democracy suffers as a result; when voting percentages go down, as they have, you see a rise in marginalized or more radicalized politics taking centre stage - in the form of protests in the streets, and in more extreme cases, riots and so on - while a very large "silent" group of folks just sits and watches. It makes the political spectrum quite unstable, and not at all representative of the population." <<

I agree with that. Even in the last US presidential election, the numbers were 50% ONLY because it was a head-to-head run, it would have been smaller. On average it's around 36% of those registered to vote, do. In just about every election since the 26 Amendment was initiated, the numbers of those in that age bracket have dropped, now almost 80% don't vote! None of the candidates are cattering to their needs anyway (as if!), which is one reason why nobody votes I'm sure.

I just see it as a waste, those that want to vote can wait til they get older or stand up for their beliefs and get loud like their folks did. I see all non-voters as bandwagoneers. From my perspective, every aspect of politics affects the everyday lives of all people, one has got to be out of their mind to claim that because they're not into politics, they won't vote. Pick someone!

Oddly ironic, the current line-up of candidate has not shuffle my feathers as much as I expect with others, I might not vote this time around, but then I'm not a teen-adult who'll never get drafted. Big grin
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 1:05 pm

None of the candidates are cattering to their needs anyway (as if!), which is one reason why nobody votes I'm sure.

You don't win elections telling people how you'll solve the problems or outlining solutions to serious issues that they, the electorate and the nation, face.... you win elections by telling them the other guy - the incumbant - is responsible for their lot in life and the root of all their problems.

But then, that's politics.....
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Tue May 04, 2004 2:16 pm

In Canada, we're using reverse-psychology to try and encourage young folks to vote....

http://www.cbc.ca/screwthevote
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Wed May 05, 2004 2:59 am

The low level of voting is mostly because most people realize that there's just not that much difference between Democrats and Republicans, except for the ones on the extreme wings of either party.
 
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Wed May 05, 2004 4:44 am

The low level of voting is mostly because most people realize that there's just not that much difference between Democrats and Republicans, except for the ones on the extreme wings of either party.

Well, they say a lot of different things... but ultimately, their actions when elected are pretty much the same.
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RE: The 26th Amendment Should Be Repealed.

Wed May 05, 2004 4:59 am

So, by your logic, we should repeal all rights and make US citizens fight to get them back? I mean, if we don't know what we have till it's gone, why stop at just the 26th?  Yeah sure
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