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If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 5:41 am

If Clinton was able to get another term, who would you like to
see as the new president in november '04

Clinton, Kerry or Bush Jr.?
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 5:55 am

Clinton...... you mean, Hillary Clinton....?  Big grin
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 5:55 am

Bush
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 5:58 am

I have always wondered how Clinton would have handled or dealt with 9/11 in comparison to Bush.....
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:01 am

I'll bet there would still be at least 700+ american soldiers alive.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:06 am

I'll bet there would still be at least 700+ american soldiers alive.

I'll bet there would also be at least 1000+ more American civilians dead at the hands of terrorists, though. Clinton wouldn't have reacted to al Qaeda as quickly as Bush did, and it's likely that a few more catastrophic attacks against the U.S. and its interests would have taken place as a result.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:07 am

Statistics show that the economy was the best in history when Clinton was in office. Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to look for such stats.

I'd vote Clinton, then Kerry, then a gopher, then my cell phone, then a paper clip, then Bush.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:15 am

Since you are too lazy to look it up (which means you are an uninformed voter), but if you had looked it up you would have seen that economic indicators started their downward trend well before the Nov. 2000 election, resulting in the downturn of early 2001, that was further fueled by the terrorist attacks on 9-11.

I'll bet there would still be at least 700+ american soldiers alive.

I wouldn't be so sure Boeing Nut, in 1998 when Saddam threw the weapon inspectors out, the Democrats in the Senate were more than willing to give the same bill that they gave Bush (43) to Clinton.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:17 am

Statistics show that the economy was the best in history when Clinton was in office.

Thanks to the "irrational exuberance" (Alan Greenspan's words) in the market, there was a wealth effect that was unprecedented - and went to hell when the tech bubble burst (also on Clinton's watch). The most recent recession was part of Clinton's legacy, pal. Bush inherited it from the Clinton/Gore team.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:18 am

I'll bet there would also be at least 1000+ more American civilians dead at the hands of terrorists

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:22 am

"Unfortunately, I'm too lazy to look for such stats."

Clearly, as evidenced by Reply #8.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:48 am

Any statistics that are pulled need to be adjusted for the restatements of financial earnings by companies such as Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia, etc . . . .

Though these companies were caught during GWB's presidency, their frauds were perpetuated during WJC's time in office. I wonder if anyone has gone back and analyzed just how much of the greatest economy in the last 40 years was a result of fraudulent financial reporting.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 6:57 am

I wonder if anyone has gone back and analyzed just how much of the greatest economy in the last 40 years was a result of fraudulent financial reporting.

Excellent, excellent point! Of course, things like that are lost on those who still want to argue that Clinton was the greatest thing since sliced bread.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 7:45 am

Clinton.

Despite their size, enron and worldcom only made up a very small percentage of the economy during clintons years in office. Both companys were run by people who identify more with George Bush then Bill Clinton (ideology, background, etc..). Presidents have very little to do with income tax and corporate fraud, just as no one can blame clinton for enron, no one can realy blame bush either. The one thing that i do notice about me between the presidencies is that when clinton was president i never minded singing the national anthem, i had no problem being "proud" to be an american, and i didn't feel uncomfortable if i was at a place where people started "god blessing america" and other patriotic things such as that. But in the 3+ years mr bush has been president i no longer feel that being an American is something to really be proud of.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:02 am

Quite honestly, Bush and Clinton didn't have such a different foreign policy. Perhaps Clinton was a bit more eloquent about it...But Clinton put troops in Serbia without UN approval, and against the wishes of France, Russia, and China. Both Clinton and Bush had a new outlook for how the US should act in the 21st century and their outlooks really weren't that different.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:31 am

Would like to see Hillary Clinton as president.

I'll bet there would also be at least 1000+ more American civilians dead at the hands of terrorists, though. Clinton wouldn't have reacted to al Qaeda as quickly as Bush did, and it's likely that a few more catastrophic attacks against the U.S. and its interests would have taken place as a result.

You make me laugh, LOL. Every time Pres. Clinton used the military as a means of fighting terrorism, it was uncalled for, and terrible. Now when Bush does it, it is excellent, and an act of justice.

PPGMD,

No, it happened when Bush took office. Just look at the national deficit, record surpluses under Clinton to record deficits under Bush.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:34 am

Clinton wouldn't have reacted to al Qaeda as quickly as Bush did..

That's just Republican posturing there. I think Clinton or Gore would have had absolutely no choice but to go to war in Afghanistan, and, while there's no way to know if they would have done it at the same moment Bush did it, there's no doubt in my mind the results would have been the same.

I do not think there would have been a war in Iraq. I think Iraq was a neocon obsession that 9/11 opened up for them, and they convinced a very frightened president that it was time to strike, be damned what the fact were surrounding that regime.

There's no way to tell how the economy would be doing-there's no way to tell, but obviously we woudln't have given all this charity to the wealthiest Americans that this president has done.

And there's no doubt that the wholesale gutting of environmental, consumer and worker protections that this administration has destroyed in the pursuit of profit, would not have taken place.

And there's no doubt that we wouldn't be an international pariah that this President has made with his arrogance and his "shoot first, talk later" brand of "diplomacy", if you want to call it that.

I think we'd be much better off, to be honest, the neocons on this board and their "we're better than everyone else" mentality aside.

Remember, there are lies, damn lies and statistics.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:38 am

"Yes, and then there is Fox News Network. "

Meaning, lies, LOL. That is the most conservative news I have ever heard in my life. It sucks, and if your wondering, I don't like this AirAmerica Radio either.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:40 am

You make me laugh, LOL. Every time Pres. Clinton used the military as a means of fighting terrorism, it was uncalled for, and terrible

I defy you to show me a time where I referred to any use of the U.S. military as "uncalled for" or "terrible."

C'mon, newbie. I'm waiting.

Or maybe you're just full of crap?  Insane

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:49 am

C'mon, newbie. I'm waiting.

NEVER call me a newbie, fu**er. Why don't you come to my turf? newbie.
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Also, newbie is a very childish term, one I try not to use at all times necessary. Your profile says you are 26-35, meaning that the other thread was correct, stating that many older adults were more immature than teenagers on this forum.

Also, it's a well known fact, LOL.

"NEWSWEEK: CLINTON APPROVAL RATING SLIPS FOLLOWING MILITARY ACTION IN KOSOVO."

"'CLINTON MAY CONSIDER MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAQ'"
"President Clinton then attempted to claim credit for what he called moving closer to "...[R]ealizing our dreams in the 21st century... this strategy is showing some results. We have the lowest unemployment rate in 7.5 years..." Teachers and students in the audience cheered wildly and waved their arms in the air, some whistled. Administrators watched in apparent surprise.

Daily Republican Newspaper reports on the scene for more than 5 hours found no teachers, students or administrators who could make a coherent explanation for the phrase in the president' speech "to teach them a lesson" or for that matter why guided missiles would be fired at the Iraqi people by president Clinton."

"The unwritten rule that politics stops at the water's edge was rudely shattered yesterday, as many congressional Republicans who have long distrusted and reviled President Clinton sharply criticized his motivations in bombing Iraq on the eve of a House vote on impeachment.

Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott (R-Miss.) declared that he could not support Clinton's decision and joined many House Republicans in questioning whether the attack might be a desperate effort to frustrate the impeachment action."

Need more be said, Trent Lott supported military action under Clinton.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 8:56 am

You make me laugh, LOL. Every time Pres. Clinton used the military as a means of fighting terrorism, it was uncalled for, and terrible. Now when Bush does it, it is excellent, and an act of justice.

Same thing is yelled by the left when a Republican uses the Military. Even during Operation Desert Storm there were groups protesting it using the same exact slogans used for the OIF protests.

No, it happened when Bush took office. Just look at the national deficit, record surpluses under Clinton to record deficits under Bush.

So did 9-11, that doesn't mean that the roots were sowed under the previous administration. I don't blame the administrations for what happens in the economy they only have a mild effect on it. And the effect only takes shapes years after it has left office.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:00 am

many older adults were more immature than teenagers on this forum

Yet you're the one who resorted to using profanity. How interesting.

And pathetic.  Insane

Anyway, you said I make you laugh, and then insinuated that I'd referred to any use of the military under Clinton as "uncalled for" and "terrible."

Did I ever say that? No, never.

I don't give a rip if Trent Lott or any other politician did - I was calling you out for what you'd written concerning me.

Your turf? Sorry, I don't need to waste time hanging out at a high school.



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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:02 am

Ah, newbies. Don't you just love them, EA CO AS? I mean, doesn't that RR of 1 just frighten you to death?  Big grin
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:09 am

Does the US prevent 3 consecutive terms, or 3 terms in total? IE, could Clinton now run again, now that Bush has followed his first 2 terms?

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:12 am

Ah, newbies. Don't you just love them, EA CO AS? I mean, doesn't that RR of 1 just frighten you to death?

Yes, got to love them. The most enjoyable experience in my whole life is getting lectured about politics and computers by someone that is 15 years old tops.

Heck a bet he came tell me the best L/D speed for the glider that I fly, those engineers at Let have no idea how to calculate it.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:13 am

Here is Amendment 22:

Amendment XXII
Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.


It was passed in a fit of jealousy by Republicans who were embarrassed because FDR got elected 4 times.

This should also apply for Congress, IMHO. If a President is limited, then those in Congress should be limited. If Congress is not limited, there should be no limits on electing a president.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:17 am

PPGMD,

I know a lot more about politics than many do who are any age...
Don't let age fool you, my friends are of the most political of any age group. Sure, we can't go to rallies and speeches in Washington, and even in our own city during the day due to school, but when we get the chance to speak our mind, we do it.

Never had any respect for the respect rating system.

Well, we can agree on something... The respect rating system obviously helps those who have been members longer, they have more time to develop a rating... Many people who are new to the site I believe are nicer, deserve more respect than they do, due to just post count and respect rating.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:20 am

I know a lot more about politics than many do who are any age...

I'm 43, kid. I've probably forgotten more about the political scene in this country than you now know. Someday, you just might know more than me, but at this time, I don't think you need to be lecturing adults about politics. I keep telling L.1011 and Jcs that, but they're dumb and don't listen.  Wink/being sarcastic

Maybe you are smart enough that you can figure that out.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:24 am

Saying my arguments have no merit simply because I am young is a nice way to get out of an argument you are losing. Why don't you argue the facts if you think you are right. That way we can have a mature, adult discussion about the issues and not my age.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:25 am

Someday, you just might know more than me, but at this time, I don't think you need to be lecturing adults about politics.

Why not? It's reasonable that some 15yo's are better informed than some 43yo's. Don't pull the age factor -- this is an equal oppy forum. All opinions are welcome. It's not as if you are a political scientist by profession Alpha.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:30 am

Saying my arguments have no merit simply because I am young is a nice way to get out of an argument you are losing. Why don't you argue the facts if you think you are right. That way we can have a mature, adult discussion about the issues and not my age.

Kid you are like a typical kid your age when it come to arguments, your post in the Apple vs Dell Thread are a fantastic example, they aren't based on reality, and if they are, you have been on enough computers to see that those experiences are unusual.

There is a reason that they don't allow people under 18 to fly commercially, or vote. Experience my good friend, book facts are great, once you hit the real world then you see what it's really like.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:32 am

Clinton would not have been so agressive, and mostly likely now the war on terror would be a world united against terror as opposed to it only being US against terror.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:36 am

There is a reason that they don't allow people under 18 to fly commercially

I did fly commercially alone, so that doesn't work...

Also, my opinions on apple are unrelated to this discussion. Lets talk about the issues and not the record of the person posting about them.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:43 am

I did fly commercially alone, so that doesn't work...

*slaps forehead*

In case you are ignorant you have to be 18 before the FAA will issue you a Commercial Pilots certificate.

Also, my opinions on apple are unrelated to this discussion. Lets talk about the issues and not the record of the person posting about them.

Simply using it as an example of your debate style. Read it yourself, there is alot of the typical FUD in your anti-Microsoft posts. Heck if you have to reboot as much as you say you do, you couldn't be posting this quickly.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 9:46 am

Now, now Alpha be nice to us. Your only on here 6 months longer than me  Wink/being sarcastic

Now, as to the question. I will say I supported military actions in Bosnia, Operation Restore Hope, Kosovo, and Operation Desert Fox. Clinton at least knew enough to use the military at those points. Not old enough to remember Restore Hope, but I support the action and I wish we wouldn't have run away. Oh well. I support what Clinton did with the Defense of Marriage Act. And everyone has gotta admit, that guy had charisma. Kerry, as far as I can see, has absolutely nothing going for him. The guy has done NOTHING I agree with. Clinton I can name a few things. But, Bush definitely would get my vote by a huge margin. Clinton would be my 2nd choice, though a very, very, very distant one, and Kerry distantly behind Clinton.
 
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Wed May 05, 2004 10:19 am

Ah, newbies. Don't you just love them, EA CO AS? I mean, doesn't that RR of 1 just frighten you to death? Big grin

Yeah, especially scary 15 year old ones that call me names!  Nuts



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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 10:28 am

Hey, EA CO AS & L.1011 your buddy PPGMD has a RR of 0 & has 1,704 posts, quite a bit more than me (I have 183) and I at least have one. But I like to be open, and I respect him, despite the fact that you two do not respect me, due to my RR.

In case you are ignorant you have to be 18 before the FAA will issue you a Commercial Pilots certificate.

Lesson 1, you should be specific. You said exactly "There is a reason that they don't allow people under 18 to fly commercially" That to me means walking on a commercial airline and flying. In politics, being specific is what counts.

Simply using it as an example of your debate style. Read it yourself, there is alot of the typical FUD in your anti-Microsoft posts. Heck if you have to reboot as much as you say you do, you couldn't be posting this quickly.

Well, once again, my prefrence of a PC or a Mac should not judge me as a person... They aren't anti-microsoft either, they are exactly what I get, I am simply giving you the information, I am not displaying my opinion in it except that I would prefer to have a Mac.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 10:32 am

It's reasonable that some 15yo's are better informed than some 43yo's. Don't pull the age factor

I agree, but I also think that a distinction should be made between HISTORICAL and POLITICAL experiences.

It is my opinion that history is best understood when witnessed 1st-hand by an individual.

Case in point: I can argue my take on the hardships of the Great Depression and 1960s Race Riots with my Grandmother.... but my take is only an extension of what others have decided to dictate to me via books. She lived through them both. There's really no way my 'experience' could compare to hers in a realistic way.




Politics on the other hand, is a different story altogether. My political knowledge/experience/cognizance can spin a million circles around my grandmother's, despite her long and accomplished life.

It's no stretch at all to think that any given 15yr-o might be more politically aware than any given 43yr-old... if for no reason other than the younger individual oftentimes has to be.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 10:41 am

Aviationwiz,

My low RR comes from my avoidance of the Non-Av forum on most of the time, today was an anomaly, I was bored. You will find a majority of my posts are from the Military and Tech/Ops forum, where it's much hard to get RR since you have to compete with so many other pilots.

I actually rarely look at the RR of most users, in those forums I can tell how much a post is worth by simply looking at the content.

Lesson 1, you should be specific. You said exactly "There is a reason that they don't allow people under 18 to fly commercially" That to me means walking on a commercial airline and flying. In politics, being specific is what counts.

Being an aviation site, I sort of assumed you would realize that I am talking about more than stepping on the aircraft since it didn't add up with your beliefs.

Well, once again, my prefrence of a PC or a Mac should not judge me as a person... They aren't anti-microsoft either, they are exactly what I get, I am simply giving you the information, I am not displaying my opinion in it except that I would prefer to have a Mac.

I am not judging you in there by your choice of operating systems. I am judging you by the content of you argument. If what you did indeed post is true, and you truly believe you haven't been around the block enough for me to take your opinion at least in computers seriously.

Which is usual for me, I normally ignore zealots because they are usually blinded from the truth.
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 12:03 pm

Looking at the amendment it doesn't say anything about inheriting the presidency by being a vice president. So theoretically John Kerry could choose Bill Clinton as his running mate. Correct me if I'm wrong but this would be possible wouldn't it. Perhaps Kerry will choose Clinton as his running mate.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 12:06 pm

DETA737, it says the following: "Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

To me, that says 1. He has been elected twice, and can no longer run, and if he was Kerry's VP, and Kerry died in office, Clinton could ONLY serve two years of that term, and, since he's already been elected twice (for which the GOP and conservatives still haven't forgiven the American people for), that would also nullify him as a candidate.

I'd rather see Kerry convince John McCain to run with him.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 12:29 pm

"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice"

Since the 22nd amendment only pertains to the office of the presidency it wouldn't preclude Bill from being VP. So he will still have only been elected President twice. Also it appears that the way the amendment is worded that Clinton is only ineligible from being elected president twice. It says nothing about inheriting the presidency.

I actually did a search online and it appears Clinton can indeed be VP, so there is a chance that we could still see Clinton in the White House again.

http://slate.msn.com/id/1006013/
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 12:35 pm

Since the 22nd amendment only pertains to the office of the presidency it wouldn't preclude Bill from being VP.

It would, because Clinton could not constitutionally ascend to the Presidencey, at least for not more than 2 years, because he's already been elected to 2 terms.

 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 12:59 pm

"and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once"

I'm not one to usually argue on these forums but it appears that the two years which Alpha 1 refers to only applies if Clinton had served "two years of a term to which some other person was elected President". Also he is not constitutionally barred from serving as president since he is a natural born citizen and is over 35 years of age. Do a search on the net it appears that most constitutional lawyers agree Clinton could indeed be Vice President and inherit the presidency. He just can't be elected to the office. I was actually shocked myself by this until I read on CNN or some other American news website about the possible candidates for Vice President and Clinton was among them.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 1:01 pm

"Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice."

That's all you need to know. Clinton has been elected twice. He is no longer constitutionally eligible, in any way, to end up as President.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 1:13 pm

I always liked Bill Clinton and I think he did a great job as President. Honestly, If he could run again he would get my vote.

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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 1:15 pm

Why the heck is ConcordeBoy a Bush fan? Aren't you as gay as they come???




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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 1:32 pm

It seems that we probably won't agree on this one, however I'm analyzing this amendment through the perspective of a law student. Since

"Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice."

only states that you can not be elected to hold the office of the Presidency for more than two terms. That being said the office of vice president is not the same as that of president. Rather the vice president is elected separately by the electors. This is my interpretation of the law, however Alpha 1, I will agree that an argument could be made challenging this. I do however see a possible loophole in this amendment and it appears hastily worded. I believe that John Kerry would avoid choosing Clinton as a running mate seeing the constitutional headache that could make the 2000 election look like child's play if Kerry were to win. It would ultimately be up the Supreme Court Justices to judge whether or not Bill Clinton could serve since they are the onces who interpret the constitution.

On a final note you do point out that it would be wiser for Kerry to seek John McCain as a running mate and I hadn't given it too much thought but I wholeheartedly agree with you on this would. John McCain would appear to give Kerry's campaign a lot of strengh.
 
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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 1:41 pm


Alpha 1, a minor correction for you:

" ... He is no longer constitutionally eligible, in any way, to end up as President ... "

It is correct that he cannot be "elected" to the office for a 3rd time. But he can serve as Vice President, and rise to the office of President if the incumbent resigns, dies or becomes incapacitated. The key word in the term-limits language is "elected".




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RE: If Clinton Got Another Term.

Wed May 05, 2004 2:06 pm

Why the heck is ConcordeBoy a Bush fan?

...because I'd never trust the security of this nation to a Democrat, which is by far my greatest concern.



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