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Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:32 am

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200405041626.asp

Things like this, if it's accurate, are what make me wary of Kerry, regardless of his politics.

The doctor's account -

I have a very clear memory of an incident which occurred while I was the Medical Officer at Naval Support Facility, Cam Ranh Bay.

John Kerry was a (jg), the OinC or skipper of a Swift boat, newly arrived in Vietnam. On the night of December 2, he was on patrol north of Cam Ranh, up near Nha Trang area. The next day he came to sick bay, the medical facility, for treatment of a wound that had occurred that night.

The story he told was different from what his crewmen had to say about that night. According to Kerry, they had been engaged in a fire fight, receiving small arms fire from on shore. He said that his injury resulted from this enemy action.

Some of his crew confided that they did not receive any fire from shore, but that Kerry had fired a mortar round at close range to some rocks on shore. The crewman thought that the injury was caused by a fragment ricocheting from that mortar round when it struck the rocks.

That seemed to fit the injury which I treated.

What I saw was a small piece of metal sticking very superficially in the skin of Kerry's arm. The metal fragment measured about 1 cm. in length and was about 2 or 3 mm in diameter. It certainly did not look like a round from a rifle.

I simply removed the piece of metal by lifting it out of the skin with forceps. I doubt that it penetrated more than 3 or 4 mm. It did not require probing to find it, did not require any anesthesia to remove it, and did not require any sutures to close the wound.

The wound was covered with a bandaid.

Not [sic] other injuries were reported and I do not recall that there was any reported damage to the boat.


Was that worthy of a Purple Heart? People lose legs and are awarded a Purple Heart. Kerry gets a sliver and a Purple Heart?

[Edited 2004-05-05 03:34:09]
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:34 am

Of course. He needed three to get back to the U.S.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:36 am

The purple hearts where past out like free cheese during Vietnam... He was there he did serve.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:36 am

Whatever he deserves, he went to war, he placed his life in the line of fire for the country. Whatever Kerry deserves or doesn't deserve, is more that can be said for the muppet in the White House.

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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:36 am

You believe this? It's conservative bias coming straight from Bush camp.

They did the same thing to one of thier own (John McCain (R-AZ)) during the 2000 Republican Primaries. Bush & company has no respect for anyone, even one of thier own.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:47 am

Wow, At least he served his country, not like our current president who was too chicken to go into REAL service.

You guys are comparing a dick to a finger.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:51 am

I tend not to put much faith in people recalling obscure facts and events 35 years after. However, for argument's sake, let's say he didn't deserve this one. That leaves him with only two... What an unpatriotic bastard.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:53 am

Vitaly,
Where the hell do you get that shit? So all the guys out at Buckley are not serving their country? That is not real service? Give me a break kid.

You really don't know what your talking about on this one, so I'll leave it be. Say what you want, it does not change anything.

Jeff

[Edited 2004-05-05 03:57:45]
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:09 am

Jeff, what I'm talking about is getting drafted and actually serving your country instead of hiding out in the reserves and praying to whoever that you don't get called on.

Oh, and one more thing, I completely agree with WellHung on this one.

EVEN IF he didn't deserve his third one, he still has 2 more.

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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:12 am

Vitaly,

Forgive me pal. Your wrong.

Jeff
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:15 am

Well hell, even if he didn't "deserve" that Purple Heart, that's still two more than Dubya has to his name.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:15 am

We'll just bow to you, Jeff, when you say one of us is wrong. I mean, you're perfect, aren't you? You're a better American, a better human being than all of us, right?

spare me.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:16 am

True,
But Dubya, flies around in Air Force One....

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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:20 am

True,
But Dubya, flies around in Air Force One....

Lurch has a charter... LOL


And before that Bill Clinton flew around in Air Force One. What, precisely, is your point, if any?
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:22 am

He has no points. He never has points. He has no original thoughts or ideas, except those that the GOP tells him to have. He couldn't come up with ideas on his own if he tried. In many ways, he's just like Bush-an intellectual lightweight.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:31 am

LOL. Look who's talking about original? Give me a break lilly lips... LMFAO... again.

Your really have not figured this out yet.... Incredible.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:35 am

Jeff - I'm not saying the folks at Buckley are wusses, because Vietnam experienced about 4-5 times the troops that Iraq+Afghanistan have, that's why they also imposed the draft.

My reasoning is that instead of fighting, he joined coast guard or whatever he was.

Hell, if the draft was imposed, I'd DEFINITELY go into service and not into guard or something else.

Be it like this:

It's like comparing the FBI to the TSA...
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 12:13 pm

When the average tour of duty in Vietnam was 12 months, why did Kerry only serve for 4 months. Bush was in the National Guard for longer than Kerry was in Vietnam.

And for the record, my father was drafted, but he was stationed in Taiwan, and never went to Vietnam (this was, however, only a year before we pulled out). Is he a patriot?
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 12:28 pm

I frankly don't care. I mean, this issue of whether Kerry deserved a purple heart hardly matters I think...I don't think Kerry himself gets to "apply" to have a purple heart, aren't they awarded based on someone higher-up?

If that's the case then whether Kerry deserved it or not, him getting one for that injury wasn't necessarily his decision. And thus, we can't "blame" him for getting a purple heart he didn't deserve.


Let me ask you this:

Kerry fought bravely in that war. So maybe he got one purple heart he didn't deserve, but does that make him somehow less of a person? I don't see one reason, whatsoever, why this issue makes Kerry less desirable or trustworthy as a leader. This is just the GOP's attempt to make an issue where none exists.


If you want to have a reason to not trust Kerry, find a better reason. And MD-90 that isn't necessarily aimed at you, I'm just saying, I dont see why this should make you uneasy about Kerry whatsoever.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 2:50 pm

Hey all you guys!!
Were any of you guys in Vietnam? Did any of you see John Keyy in action??
I think not. So how can any of you sit here and discuss if he deserved his purple heart or not if you weren't there?? All you know about it is the stories you get from the media.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 2:51 pm

Crap that happened 35 years ago is just bull shit. It's like dubya drinking and doing cocaine. Who the hell cares. We were all stupid at some point, and some of us still are. What really matters is who has a plan for the economy, and keeping the US and maybe the world safe. I personally can't stand Kerry, but that is more of a democrat from Mass. than any other reason. Not the greatest track record there. But he isn't going to cave to the terrorist and let them have a free reign on this country.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 2:56 pm

How the hell can anybody tell a person, who got up in front of the bad end of several machine guns, defended our rights and our freedoms, INCLUDING THAT OF PROTEST, Get hit by pieces flying from said guns,

How the hell can you say that he doesn't deserve the purple heart?

I would be defending Dubya just as adamately if it was him being questioned, But he hid in the reserves for his "duty."

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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 10:40 pm

So where will you hide Eric? Or do you have plans to enlist and defend our rights and our freedoms, including that of protest as well?

The reason they are being discussed is because there are some holes in the story, and he will not allow full disclosure of his service record. I don't question his honor in serving at all.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:23 pm

Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

He did more in Vietnam than Bush did  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

None of us were there 40 years ago next to Kerry when stuff happened so we don't know EXACTLY what happened.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:25 pm

Kerry served. The military made the decisions to give him those medals. At least he didn't spend the war fighting the Mexicans in Texas.

And again, for both men, why the hell does it matter? Why should either side be bringing this up? It has no bearing on what's going on today.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Wed May 05, 2004 11:40 pm

Exactly Alpha,

They should win because of their knowledge and their policies. Not on what happened many many years ago. That doesn't do any good now.
That is actually one thing i find very stupid in politics. a candidate could have done something wrong 30 years ago but he might be very well educated and have a lot of knowlege in national and foreign politics and still loose because what he did 30 years ago.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 12:03 am

At least he didn't spend the war fighting the Mexicans in Texas.

He was in the battlefields of Alabama fighting the Democrats. I wonder if his candidate won.
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Thu May 06, 2004 3:50 am

I don't think what Kerry did during the war is that big of an issue. I think what really matters is the giant crap he took on everyone fighting in that war when he came back.

The argument is raging, for some reason, over if he threw medals or ribbons over the White House fence. This sounds like the Republicans missing the point and splitting hairs again. Shouldn't the real issue be his conduct after the war? Accusing everyone fighting in the war of atrocities when they could not defend themselves from his accusations. I do think just chucking the ribbons shows a lack of commitment to the cause though, if he really resented being awarded what he had been awarded he should have chucked the whole lot.

I guess he wanted all those draftees and the volunteers who wanted to make a career out of the military feel bad about what they were doing. He must have thought deep down that they could do a damn thing one way or another about what was going on over there.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 5:25 am

Who cares? This election is about our future not about what two 20-somethings did 30+ years ago. Bush went to the ANG to avoid Vietnam, Kerry exaggerated his wounds to get his ticket home, Clinton went to Russia and pull the shit with the ROTC and you know what, I'll be you that the 2008 nominee won't have served in uniform.

Who among us hasn't done something we'd like to take back when we were in our youth? Any time this sort of shit gets raised it means only one thing, people are trying to avoid addressing the real issues. America is at a major cross road. The war in Iraq is going poorly. We have a growing youth population that can't do math to save its life, terrorism is a growing threat to the very freedoms we've taken for granted for so many years. Our national debt and deficit are out of control. A tremendous number of children are born to single parent families.

Once all these (and many more issues are addressed) we can worry about whether GWB reported for duty in the month of June 19__ and whether the cut on Lt. Kerry's body was 3 mm or 10 mm deep. Until then whey don't we focus on what affects us today.

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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 6:59 am

My grandfather served in the German Navy on a U-boat by enlisting 3 months before he would have been drafted into the infantry. Upon arrival home, he rounded up all the Nazis in his town with his friend, took them out to the fields outside of town and shot them. That make him any less of a patriot? He dodged a draft too.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 7:20 am

While I don't want Kerry in the White House, the man served our country in battle. I won't begrudge him that, nor the medals he earned.

Also, let's not overlook the fact that he didn't give them to himself - his superiors saw fit to award them to him.

In my book, that means he earned them fair and square.








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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 7:37 am

This is partisanship at its worst. God almighty, the lows people will stoop to for f*cking political ammunition. Talk about lack of common decency, sense, and respect. *If* and when you run off to battle MD, I'll be sure to call your performance into question as well, whether or not I was there to see it.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 7:45 am

Upon arrival home, he rounded up all the Nazis in his town with his friend, took them out to the fields outside of town and shot them. That make him any less of a patriot?

No, but it makes him a cold blooded murderer.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:01 am

Upon arrival home, he rounded up all the Nazis in his town with his friend, took them out to the fields outside of town and shot them. That make him any less of a patriot?

Yes, it makes him a traitor to his country.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:34 am

No, but it makes him a cold blooded murderer.

These being the very same Nazis that wiped out the entire Jewish population in the town? That forced his/my family out of said town, along with many others?

Yes, it makes him a traitor to his country.

Really? Even if it occured after the end of Hitler's government? Sorry, but my grandfather, and the other Germans that did this believed that Germany was better than the swastika, and acted accordingly.
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:40 am

L1011 - I think of it as someone coming here after the Bush administration and killing everyone in his brigade or killing his colonel or Sarge.


I'm in no way saying what he did wasn't right to the human race, but he became a soldier to 'protect' his people (from anything other than Aryan).

BTW - 4 of my grandparents served during war and they are Jewish, so I'm not anti-Semitic.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:47 am

"And again, for both men, why the hell does it matter? Why should either side be bringing this up? It has no bearing on what's going on today.

anyone have any asprin? I must not be feeling well, I agree with that statement %100.  Smile

 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:48 am

anyone have any asprin? I must not be feeling well, I agree with that statement %100.

Too bad you don't take that aspirin more often, Jeff. Because I'm usually right.  Big grin
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 9:51 am

If you only practiced what you preached....  Big grin
 
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 11:38 am

Jeff - So if you practice what Alpha preaches, them you must be voting for Kerry, right?

Hehe. I love to put others' words against them... For fun, of course.
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RE: Did Kerry Really Deserve All Of His Purple Hearts?

Thu May 06, 2004 7:06 pm

These being the very same Nazis that wiped out the entire Jewish population in the town? That forced his/my family out of said town, along with many others?

The concept of due process obviously seems to be lost on you. There were protocols implemented so that the Nazis could be judged for their crimes and dealt with according to law.

Vigilante justice is never the solution. What your grandfather did was a war crime and was cold blooded murder. Sorry, but I cannot respect that regardless of the circumstances.
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