galaxy5
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Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:01 am

I was just wondering, during the 70's when Kerry was an active disident during the Vietnam war, and when he gave aid and comfort to the enemy after ( i said after) serving honorably, his short stay in vietnam. Has the Congress ever actually voted the 2/3rds of each house to allow him to be a senator or run for President.

Amendment XIV of the U.S. Constitution.

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:09 am

Talk about a die-hard Republican getting desperate, you're making the case right now, Galaxy5.

NOW HE THINKS KERRY IS A TRAITOR!!

And the sad, pathetic part, Galaxy5, is you believe it. You honestly do. First, Bill Clinton was a traitor for going, as a student, to Moscow on break (where no doubt, in that short period of time, he learned everything sinsiter to do to the U.S.), and now, Kerry is a traitor because after her served, and saw, first-hand, the horror of the war, and what it was doing to our nation, he's somehow a traitor.

I'd really like to see the Republicans try something this utterly stupid in Congress-go ahead, make the Dems day, Galaxy5. All you'd do is show just how extremists the Republicans are in Congress. As extremists as you are.

This has to be, on par, the most idiotic thing I've ever heard any memeber say on here.
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:16 am

May I suggest a hobby? Knitting helps relieve stress I hear.
 
galaxy5
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:22 am

Just a simple question, but somehow it managed to really hit a nerve with you didn't it alpha, How about instead of acting like a little bitch whining, name calling and immediately going overboard with accusations, why don't you try and be civil and see how you can answer the question logically, I was just curious as to were the 14th Amendment stood with Kerry. Was he considered a dissident at the time, and was he excused from his war crimes that he admittedly participated in. I know you can be Civil Alpha, ive seen you do it, why not try now? But I guess I should have come to expect such a reply from one such as you.
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:23 am

If that's the best you can do, JAL777, why bother to reply?
 
galaxy5
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:29 am

Also, im not saying that congress or anyone should initiate a witch hunt,thats more along the lines of what the hradcore leftists such as yourself Alpha would do. Im just interested if this has ever been an issue or was Kerry excused from his self admitted crimes or attrocities during the Vietnam war.
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:36 am

Galaxy,

Did I miss something? Just because he protested the war after his return does not mean he gave aid and comfort to the enemy or incited rebellion or insurrection. Did he go to Vietnam ala Jane Fonda?

Simple protest, in this country, does not make a traitor. It is a basic right to be able to protest the actions of the government.

There is a school of thought out there that protesting did and does undermine the war effort, but you have to balance that against the 1st amendment. We have every right to peacefully protest, it is upon our conscience whether we do so.
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:48 am

Just a simple question, but somehow it managed to really hit a nerve with you didn't it alpha..

Did you notice my smiley face in my reply, Galaxy? I thought it was the height of hilarity. It didn't "hit a nerve" at all ,because what you're saying is absolutely mind-boggling.

And don't give me that crap you were asking "a simply question". People put thoughts out loud (or in writing) to let people know what they really do think-look at my neocon thread, or MD-90's anti-Arab thread. You put that thought out there becuase you believe Kerry is a traitor for daring to exercise his right at opposing goverment policy.

And, if you take that amendment the way you see it, about 70% of all Americans would be ineligible for federal elected office, because they, too, were against the war or protested against the war.

thats more along the lines of what the hradcore leftists such as yourself Alpha would do.

When the hardcore far-right people are calling me leftists, and when the hard-core far-left people, like Indianguy, are calling me a right-wing nut, I'm, once again, content in the knowledge that I'm right in the middle, where I've alwasy been.  Big grin

Again, this thread unmasks just how FAR you are to the right, and how much you loathe anyone who dares buck the policy of an administration-especially a Republican administration.

Opposing government policy is not treasonous, Galaxy5. Obviously, you think it is, else you don't put the thought down on the world wide web. If we take the constitution to that extreme, then the 1st Amendment would be dead in the water.
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 12:53 am

"When the hardcore far-right people are calling me leftists, and when the hard-core far-left people, like Indianguy, are calling me a right-wing nut, I'm, once again, content in the knowledge that I'm right in the middle, where I've alwasy been.

Yup, kinda like Kerry, sitting on the fence. Trying to make a case for who ever will listen.

LMAO.. again
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 4:50 am

10=2
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 5:57 am

Haha Zak, I usually don't agree with what you have to say, but that link earns you a respected user. However I'd change it to http://www.johnkerryisadouchebagvoteforpatbuchanan.com . Wow if I ever really stuped that low......

Anyways, I don't think that Kerry protesting the war is a violation of the 14th Amendment. If he were to have say been arrested for committing a crime, or grown a mustache to go along with a bearskin cap with a little red star on it. Then maybe he'd be guilty.
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Sun May 09, 2004 6:02 am

Aw, I thought his association with "Hanoi Jane" Fonda was reason enough to not like Mr. Kerry...... if you want a traitor, he might not be what you're looking for ..... but she's most certainly fits the bill.
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Tue May 11, 2004 12:26 pm

He did not comfort the enemy. All he did was protest a useless politicians war.
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Tue May 11, 2004 12:32 pm

If that's the best you can do, JAL777, why bother to reply?

I wasn't replying to you!  Big grin
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Tue May 11, 2004 12:37 pm

I wasn't replying to you!

Then it was a FANTASTIC reply.  Big grin

 Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Tue May 11, 2004 2:32 pm

While I have no love for Kerry, I don't think he could be called a traitor. He was exercising his right of free speech in his disagreement with the Vietnam war. He did not do what "Hanoi" Jane Fonda did - actually go to North Vietnam to support their troops and aid in the abuse of American POWs. Jane Fonda is a traitor, but for some reason (celebrity, I guess) she escaped any charge of treason.

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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Tue May 11, 2004 5:28 pm

Being in the middle is not a fence-sitter, JeffM, it only means that you would be left on some issues and right on others. Being call something is based on perception, not reality. As of Kerry now and then, I don't know his "flip flop" deal very well but it is apparent that nobody believes people can change their minds about issues. I mean look at Alpha 1, he used to be a right-nut during the Afgan invasion, now he's is obviously different. Watching the transformation over the years has been hilarious. He's now just about the funniest character up in this bitch!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Wed May 12, 2004 12:33 am

JeffM wrote:

Yup, kinda like Kerry, sitting on the fence. Trying to make a case for who ever will listen.

GWB should learn a lesson from his father, who unsuccessfully tried to bring down Clinton by accusing him of hopeless waffling.
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Wed May 12, 2004 4:15 am

Galaxy, at least Kerry actually SERVED in Vietnam and saw the atrocities on both sides to come up with his viewpoints.
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RE: Kerry And The 14th Amendment.

Wed May 12, 2004 4:26 am



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