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The Religion War Is Triggered

Wed May 12, 2004 11:19 pm

Thanks to the genius Mr Bush, a new religion war is triggered.

It began when he talked about making a "crusade", which was very smart.

And now that American people are realizing that even American citizen may die, and even sometimes to an extent that the injuries are lethal (!!) , you see all the extreme right heating up in this forum. And they're not blaming the islamists or the terrorists anymore. No.
Now, the enemy is the muslim.

It means that Bush has won his personal challenge: dividing the world in 2 parts (Bin Laden has the same target), each one based on its religion !!!!  Nuts

It's funny to see how easily Bush lovers jump in the trap. Now I'm scared.
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Wed May 12, 2004 11:24 pm

Oh yeah this is Bush's fault, this has nothing to do with radical Islamism.

Well thought out post.

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Wed May 12, 2004 11:26 pm

Not just muslims, anyone with tan skin.



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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Wed May 12, 2004 11:33 pm

I don't agree with everything Seb said, James, but I do believe that Bush and his advisors had not clue what they were getting us into when we invaded Iraq 14 months ago. I really don't.

I honestly believe Bush, et al, thought we'd be out of there by last June, what with that high-profile stunt on the carrier, and the sign "Mission Accomplished". I don't think they had an exit strategy on this war, becuase they honestly (and foolishly) thought we'd be welecomed as liberators by everyone, and could get out of there with no problems.

Now, the chicken has come home to roost. Bush is NOT responsible for the prison scandal, nor is he responsible for this barbaric behading. But his action, in starting this conflict, have set in motion these events, and that cannot be denied.
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Wed May 12, 2004 11:43 pm

Sebolino,

Yes, they named it a "crusade" in order to rally the other knights and re-enact middle age events. "War on terror" is also carefully chosen, so that many can only agree in the trail of 9-11 and the target remains unspecified.
I dont think it is all the fault of the group that leads in the US, but they definitely and terribly unfortunately decided the course of events that followed.
They succeeded in drawing all in black and white ("if you are not with us they are against us"), good/bad, evil/angels, guardians of the world order/terrorists, crusaders/muslims.
What about people who do not wish to fall in the preset categories ?
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 1:39 am

Just wait until the invasion of North Korea. Then it will be 'Marxist fundamentalists'. Then the Chinese will get in the way, so it will be 'Communist Fundamentalists' The cycle will go on until basically everybody who isn't American or Israeli is a 'fundamentalist'! And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 1:49 am

Just wait until the invasion of North Korea. Then it will be 'Marxist fundamentalists'. The the Chinese will get in the way, so it will be 'Communist Fundamentalists' The cycle will go on until basically everybody who isn't American or Israeli is a 'fundamentalist'! And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

If Bush and company even tried to invade Canada Iraq would seem like a walk in the park (We would get taken over but not easily. Can't wait till America runs out of water Big grin). We're 1-0 against the US anyway. Big grin
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 2:46 am

Unlike the French who roll over when ever attacked and then beg for help from people they despise. We don't roll over and beg for mercy from those who try to kill us, we get even.

The world is a fu%king mess and has been since before the U.S. ever had the power to influence anything.

When and if there is a religion war remember what happened on 9-11 and who flew the planes. I don't recall any members of the Christian faith murdering thousands that day.

I also wonder why when we do error almost all of faiths here tend make their voices heard, from Evangelical Christians to Catholics to Jews and American Muslims. And yet the out cry from the Arab Muslim world has been incredibly muted no matter what happens against an American or for that matter a member of sect different from their own.




 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 2:58 am

And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

I seem to recall a British Army in Iraq also. What does Israel have to do with any of this? They are protecting their country from terrorists on a daily basis, not 12 year old kids throwing rocks at IDF tanks that you see on BBC.

If Bush and company even tried to invade Canada Iraq would seem like a walk in the park (We would get taken over but not easily. Can't wait till America runs out of water ). We're 1-0 against the US anyway.

Yeah, we could take them.  Big thumbs up
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 3:05 am

Ehhhh, the United States is root of all evil in the world. Ehhhh, George W. Bush is a idiot. Ehhhh, America not tolerant. Sometimes I wonder why we even liberated the French from the Nazis in the first place. I mean, couldn't there have been a better solution than keeping France a country? I mean couldn't we have ceded southern France to Spain and northern France to Holland and Belgium?

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 3:12 am

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

Not to mention French-Canadians.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 3:15 am

Jutes,

At least the Montreal Canadians are out of the playoffs  Big thumbs up

Seriously, this is the stupidest thread I've seen in a long time.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 3:29 am

Lol, yes, every muslim is an enemy of America now. Nevermind that Bush clearly stated that not all Muslims are our enemy or are evil. It is you Sebolino who are seeing things in black and white. America is evil because "insert theory here." We see it every post you make, criticizing everything America does. Do you honestly believe that every American thinks Muslims are the enemy? Crusade was simply a bad choice of words on a speech writer's part. Furthermore, we were attempting to liberate Muslims from a 'socialist' regime. Don't forget that the Ba'ath were originally opposed to the Islamic Nationalists of older days. It was only during the Iran-Iraq war that Hussein took on his pious Muslim stance to gain support from the rest of the Islamic world. (He obviously had no idea what he was doing with Islam, one report states that he had a Qu'ran copied in blood-a clear offense to the sacred nature of the text). Hussein was basically anti-Islamic. Now, we liberate these people and a small group of radical Shi'ites hide behind a veil of piousness in an attempt to draw support so that they can run the country under Shi'ite rule (just like Iran, you know how well the government in Iran is liked right Sebolino?) Americans know that the average Iraqi people on the street are not the radicals, and most Americans, that I have judged from in talks, want to genuinely help these people. We don't need someone from another country to remind us that the citizens of the world can not be divided into black and white. But organizations can: Al-Qaeda is evil, Islamic violent fundamentalism is evil, terrorism in general is evil.
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 3:32 am

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

When Paris was freed from the Nazis, the people were out in the streets praising our troops. The next day some of the same people were spitting on our troops.

I'd rather have a German division in front of me than a French division behind me. -General George S. Patton Jr.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:12 am

Seriously though, the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world.

And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:25 am

And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid.

Not all Americans should be thought of in that way, much like we don't think of all Brits as argumentative blowhards just because you happen to be one, 777236ER.

I'm surprised you'd dare to paint a whole country with such broad strokes.



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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:27 am

We learned well didn't we, we had great teachers. Lets remember where the majority of Americans came from. Hint Hint England.

Seriously I think this topic is ridiculous. The general population of America has no interest in holy war. There is no way that the United States would ever do this because no matter what religious group we would go after, MILLIONS of them are U.S Citizens! I'd also like to add that I have nothing against Britain or France, I was just responding to the previous comment.
 
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Thu May 13, 2004 4:40 am

Not all Americans should be thought of in that way, much like we don't think of all Brits as argumentative blowhards just because you happen to be one, 777236ER.

I'm surprised you'd dare to paint a whole country with such broad strokes.


I don't - that was my point. I think a lot of Americans are intelligent.

If you don't want your entire country stereotyped, why don't you stop such comments as, 'the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world'.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:46 am

I love it when the french make comments. Lets see some one flying a plane into the Eifel Tower, or smash the Champs Elysees or fly a 767 into the Lourve, then lets see what you do.
 
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Thu May 13, 2004 4:48 am

Lets see some one flying a plane into the Eifel Tower, or smash the Champs Elysees or fly a 767 into the Lourve, then lets see what you do.

Let's not forget Islamic terrorists tried to crash an Air France Airbus into the Eifel Tower, but the French stopped them.

But of course, you knew that, right?

And of course you knew that Saddam Hussein had nothign to do with September 11th 2001, right?

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:55 am

If you don't want your entire country stereotyped, why don't you stop such comments as, 'the French come off as the most ungrateful people in the history of the world'.

And just how do you propose I stop someone else from exercising their right to free speech? Lop their head off, like those idiots did the other day?

That was his opinion and he's entitled to it, just like you're entitled to your opinions.

It doesn't mean either is actually right, though.



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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:58 am

And just how do you propose I stop someone else from exercising their right to free speech? Lop their head off, like those idiots did the other day?

That was his opinion and he's entitled to it, just like you're entitled to your opinions.

It doesn't mean either is actually right, though.


But my point is, if you don't want people stereotyping your country, you could at least complain when Americans stereotype other countries.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:00 am

The cycle will go on until basically everybody who isn't American or Israeli is a 'fundamentalist'! And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA. Wonder who the real fundamentalists are.....

Very true point. The funny thing that lately in Europe more and more people are beginning to share that view. I wonder way? One would have to be naive to put it down to ignorance, which is always the reason given.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:03 am

Sebolino,
No you are wrong. It was triggered when Islamic terrorists flew passenger planes into the World Trade Centre. These are the people who keep screaming "jihad". This happened way before the whole Iraqi adventure.

Why do you post so much anti-American rubbish on this forum? That is all I ever see you post. Care to explain why you hate Americans so much?
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Thu May 13, 2004 5:04 am

>>>It began when he talked about making a "crusade", which was very smart.<<<

I find this post ironic in that France has enacted the Islamic headscarf ban not to mention promoting style French Islam. How do you reconcile these remarks from what your government promotes?
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:19 am

here goes 777236ER again. Why dont you just refrain from saying anything at all?
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:20 am

Sebolino,

This is sad, but true.
I hope the Wise American people will think twice before voting to GWB next time. ( I know nothing about Kerry's intentions, but I do believe that no US president will do more harm to the whole world than Mr. Bush did).

The middle east has got a cancer, he is seriously sick, to avoid metastasis , we needed a good surgeon to take us to the operating room, do emergency surgery and take the tumor out.
GWB has proven to be a bad surgeon, he misdiagnosed the ME, he took the wrong organ out, he did inject its vessels with the wrong medication, as a result an allergic reaction has developped, strange and lethal cells appeared in the organism, "Sadr", Zarkawi", "Sistani", "Falluja"...etc and God knows who else will surprise us in the near future.
The ME is in the intensive care now, on mechanical ventilation, tubes, lines, and syringe pumps are everywhere , the patient is very sick, and he is even threatening all patients surrounding him.
Any Hope?
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:25 am

The ME is in the intensive care now, on mechanical ventilation, tubes, lines, and syringe pumps are everywhere , the patient is very sick, and he is even threatening all patients surrounding him.
Any Hope?


Nope. Let's pull the plug.  Big grin

So Vanessa, tell me - what's YOUR solution? You seem to be great at pointing out problems, but I've yet to hear you come up with anything other than criticism.

Tell us how to fix things - including the warped mindset of many who have corrupted Islam.



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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:25 am

here goes 777236ER again. Why dont you just refrain from saying anything at all?

Did you know about the terrorist plan to fly a plane into the Eifel tower? And that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with September 11th 2001? Because from your post, you didn't seem to.
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Vanessa

Thu May 13, 2004 5:26 am

Vanessa, I think your image is a pretty good description of the situation.
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:27 am

I have noticed one thing, every great man in ther eday has been eather a terrorist or a horrible person or bad or a criminal and later in life history corrects them. Im not saying G Bush will be one but hey. Mandela every one said he was a terrorist (well the whites in SA did). Abraham lincoln look how long it took him to get into power and look what he did. Churchill etc. Those are bad examples but I dont have the time or energy to explain or give it properly.
 
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Thu May 13, 2004 5:37 am

EA CO AS

I don't criticize, I describe the situation.

Anybody who diagnoses well the disease can treat well the patient.

Just don't treat the patient and don't prolong his life just because he has a lot of money to pay you back.

The patient might die someday, you may loose him and your medical certificate will be under question.

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:41 am

Hey Van...how about making some sense and answering the question posed to you.

Avoid the metahors.

By the way how much money has the US govt. made on Iraqi oil?

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 5:57 am

Jamesag96,

I have no idea about the pure income. Do you think that anybody will publish it?

As for answering, I thought that I made it clear in my previous reply,
Change the surgeon, and use a new medication (preferably made by the UN).

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 6:11 am

Change the surgeon, and use a new medication (preferably made by the UN).

Since you're only able to talk in cute metaphors, let's expand on this.

You suggest changing the surgeon - but honestly, is ANY country "qualified" to perform said "surgery," Vanessa? Are any other "surgeons" (even the U.N.) more qualified than any others? Isn't it all just guesswork?

And what "medication" do you have in mind? Surely you can give us an idea of what different "prescription" will work, right?

Or are you simply saying "Well this didn't work, so let's try something totally different instead," ?

I'd like to know your views - preferably ones that discuss actual ideas, rather than doubletalk.

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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 6:17 am

EACO AS

To answer you, I need to know your answer to this:

Do you still think that the American presence in Iraq is still profitable to both sides?
 
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Thu May 13, 2004 6:20 am

"Change the surgeon, and use a new medication (preferably made by the UN). "

Are we talking about the same UN that took billions in kickbacks in the oil for food program here? Or is there a different UN I don't know about...

"The middle east has got a cancer, he is seriously sick, to avoid metastasis , we needed a good surgeon to take us to the operating room, do emergency surgery and take the tumor out."

Just the Middle East? Try the whole Muslim world. This is one of the reasons I support regime change because I don't care if this 'patient' dies of cancer, but I'll be damned if 'he's' going to drag the rest of us with him.
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Thu May 13, 2004 6:22 am

Vanessa -

Are you incapable of presenting me with your opinions? Don't answer a question with a question. Tell me what you think.

Besides, I fail to see any relevance to your question - my opinions shouldn't have any influence on how yours are formed.

So again, I ask you - can you give me your solutions to the problems in Iraq (and the Middle East as a whole), or are you only able to give me doubletalk and cute catchphrases?

I'm really interested to know what you think.

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Thu May 13, 2004 6:32 am

She can not which is why she does not.

I'll pose the question for anyone out there, how much money has been made and by whom from the sale of Iraqi oil?

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Thu May 13, 2004 6:34 am

EA CO AS,

Reading your "anamnesis" on this forum doesn't make me very willing to answer you.

You are used to manipulate member's answers and at the end, anytime somebody's opinion doesn't fit you, he becomes Anti-American.

I will be ready to answer you once you promise to find a definite end to this silly game.

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Thu May 13, 2004 6:34 am

Here is an interesting read that may answer that question...

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N03692099.htm

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Thu May 13, 2004 6:39 am

"I'll pose the question for anyone out there, how much money has been made and by whom from the sale of Iraqi oil?"

Good question, but you have to then ask how much money has been spent to get that oil up and running?
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Thu May 13, 2004 6:40 am

And the Americans come across as the most arrogant, and stupid.

Must be a reason we are the most powerful country on the Earth, more powerful then the next 15 combined....Also there must be a reason to explain why we are the leader of the Western world. I wonder why? Dripping with sarcasm.

Let's not forget Islamic terrorists tried to crash an Air France Airbus into the Eifel Tower

On a side note, I think it was a Boeing plane, not an Airbus lol.

Thanks to the genius Mr Bush, a new religion war is triggered.

I love these enlightened French opinions. Don't worry, we will take care of the problem and you can continue to ignore it. And then you can claim some credit. Wooses.

Seriously though, do you not realize that there was a "religious war" long before Mr. Bush came to power? 9/11 was being planned long before some old ladies in Florida voted for Bush accidentally.
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Thu May 13, 2004 8:04 am

"And yet basically the 2 countries responsible for killing more civilians than anyone else are Israel and the USA"

There's 300,000 mass graves in Iraq, they are not full of people "Americans" killed. Honestly your statement is false, Russia has killed more innocent people in Checnya then the US has in Afghanistan, Iraq combined.

And Israel can fight with the Palestinians for the next thousand years (quite possible) but they will not reach the levels of Saddams 30 year rule.
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Thu May 13, 2004 8:21 am

"Thanks to the genius Mr Bush, a new religion war is triggered."

Must have been when he ordered US Special Forces to hijack Arab Airliners in flight, cutting the throats of the pilots and flights attendents then crashing the planes into Mosques and Childrens hospitals killings thousands the whole time screaming "God is Great".

That must of been it.
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 9:55 am

Anyone else besides me think that WWIII is in progress now as we speak?
 
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Thu May 13, 2004 10:07 am

Anyone else besides me think that WWIII is in progress now as we speak?

While most people thought Bill O'Reilly was nuts when he said the war on terror was actually World War III, I agreed with him then - just like I'd agree with you now on that same point.

Everyone assumed WWIII would involve a thermonuclear exchange between the U.S. and NATO vs. the U.S.S.R. and Warsaw Pact nations.

Wrong.

This is it. It's West vs. East, but in a completely different way - it's the whole of Western Civilization against a small percentage of the Middle East - the "dark ages mentality" militant Islamic groups.

Or as Yoda would say, "The shroud of the Dark Side has fallen. Begun, this World War, has."

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Thu May 13, 2004 3:58 pm

THEY started it when they started blaming us for their bullshit. Let's get that out of the way first and foremost. We don't favor Israel out of some Jewish agenda - right or wrong we've favored them out of strategic, economic and political interest. I personally wish we'd get the hell out of there as I don't give two shits about anybody in the region - but make no mistake - this is all the result of fundamentalist Islam and the disgusting stranglehold they have on discourse in the region because they've got everyone else too f*cking scared to speak up.

The one criticism I will levy is that Bush has been foolhardy with all this talk of 'God compels us to fight this fight' or whatever the f*ck else he believes from the born-again book he dips into. That certainly doesn't help any but again, we're to blame for it all WHETHER OR NOT a cognitively-challenged Bush is leading the charge.
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Thu May 13, 2004 4:19 pm

I'm not sure if this is World War III. Maybe, but it just doesn't seem dire enough...yet...

And if this is a war of religion, it's a war of one religion, Islam. The United States, nor any of her allies, is not 100% Christian. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the United States was the most religiously diverse nation in the entire world (that's just me speculating, I have no data whatsoever to back that up).
 
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RE: The Religion War Is Triggered

Thu May 13, 2004 4:22 pm

Perhaps not, but it most definitely is the "clash of civilizations" Samuel Huntington warned us of almost a decade ago.
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