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Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:21 am

Reading the paper today, I wondered whether Nick Berg was Jewish. If so, was that the main reason they executed him?

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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:26 am

They killed him because

1)He was an American
2)He did not belong there
3)GWB is an idiot for invading a country on false pretenses.
4)He ignored warning to leave ASAP


BTW: The family blames the whitehouse.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:32 am

The family blames the whitehouse.

Nevermind the fact that he went there, under his own free will, to a war zone, to further his entrepeneurial interests. I am sorry, the man died a very tragic and horrific death... but having said that, the sole responsibility rests with himself.

He was not a soldier who didn't have a choice where he would end up... he was there on his own.
 
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:33 am

They killed him because

1)He was an American
2)He did not belong there
3)GWB is an idiot for invading a country on false pretenses.
4)He ignored warning to leave ASAP


Oh what crap David. You justify his killing with that CRAP?!

And you didn't answer my question. Do you think him being Jewish had something to do with it?
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 2:57 pm

...prolly didnt hurt [their efforts]
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 3:05 pm

To answer the original question, yes, he was Jewish, however the Philadelphia Inquirer did several articles on Berg today (Berg is from a suburb of Philly about half an hour from me, so this is somewhat big news here), however one of the Inquirer's articles stated that they did not think his execution was because he was Jewish, but as retaliation for the prisoner abuses going on...

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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 3:16 pm

The following article reveals a very interesting twist on his murder.
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Berg's Father and Firm Were On A Right-Wing 'Enemies' List
by Fintan Dunne, Editor
BreakForNews.com EXCLUSIVE
Research by Kathy McMahon
12th May, 2004 10amET


The family firm of beheaded American Nick Berg, was named by a conservative website in a list of 'enemies' of the Iraq occupation. That could explain his arrest by Iraqi police --a detention which fatally delayed his planned return from Iraq and may have led directly to his death.

Nick Berg, 26 disappeared into incommunicado detention after his arrest by Iraqi police in March, 2004. He vanished again after his release 13 days later. His body was found last Saturday in Baghdad, and a video of his beheading --supposedly by a radical Islamic group-- was posted on the Internet on Tuesday.

The official story of his gruesome murder has many dubious aspects, not least the real reason why Iraqi police detained the young man at a checkpoint. New research by BreakForNews has uncovered a plausible explanation.

The FreeRepublic.com web site and forum has a reputation for right-wing views, fanatical Republicanism and relentless pro-war activism.

On 7th March, 2004, just three weeks before the first anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, an 'enemies' list of anti-war groups and individuals was posted on the Free Republic forum.

It began: "Here you are, FReepers. Here is the enemy."

The list had been copied from publicly available endorsements of a call to action for an imminent anniversary antiwar protest on 20th March, 2004. The protest was being organized under the banner of the A.N.S.W.E.R Coalition (Act Now to Stop War & End Racism).

Among those listed as having endorsed the call to action was this entry: "Michael S. Berg, Teacher, Prometheus Methods Tower Service, Inc."

[see the rest of the article here ... ]

http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:13 pm

what crap David. You justify his killing with that CRAP?!

And you didn't answer my question. Do you think him being Jewish had something to do with it?


Not crap. The truth. His death was horrible but he was there on his own free will. He knew the dangers and the State Department wanted to fly him out. He refused. And he being Jewish had nothing to do with being killed. Remember that insurgents didn't kill him, AQ did.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:16 pm

The news I saw said he wasn't Jewish, but did travel extensively. He had a "Jewish" sounding last name and a stamp on his passport showing he had visited Israel, that doesn't make him Jewish. But I does make you wonder if those variables were used by those murderous terrorists to somehow justify his execution to themselves.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:18 pm

but having said that, the sole responsibility rests with himself.

I have to disagree. The SOLE repsonsibility for his death resides with those barbarian, sub-humans, who cut his head off. Other Americans have been there, too, of their own free will, and not sufferd that fate. These animals saw him, and grabbed him. It could have been any American there, it just happened to be him.
 
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:22 pm


G5, he was Jewish just like David Pearl.

"... I cannot emphasize this enough, Nick Berg was Jewish; Daniel Pearl was Jewish. That is a relevant fact here, a relevant factor as well ..."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_051204/content/truth_detector.guest.html
 
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:25 pm

He was at the wrong place (Iraq) at the wrong time (after an illegal war, followed by an illegal, ongoing occupation).
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:25 pm

Rush should get back on the Ludes, he was much more fun that way.

If Mr. Berg was Jewish, he sure aint now !
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:26 pm

Oh ok, I see. The news sources I was reading didn't state he was Jewish they just stated he had a Jewish name and visited Israel on business. soooo I stand corrected.

But, here is a interesting twist then, since he was Jewish and Israel has stated they reserve the right to bring to justice those who commit atrocities against any Jews, maybe they will help out and use the moussad to track down those guys and eliminate them. Would anyone mind?
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:28 pm

Im sure Israel could not care less.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 10:35 pm

I heard that Mr. Berg was also recently in the Africa setting up a communication system for some outlying village? According to the reporter on ABC he volunteered to do it, as well as donated the antenna system and power source. I have to tell you that I own my company as well and have considered some type of operation in Iraq. I do not find his actions that unusual, but I would have taken their warning to leave.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 11:22 pm

out of curiosity I downloaded the video of his execution through Kazaa ( very graphic, I deleted it right after viewing it! ) anyways, for some reason it looked pretty fake ( maybe Im wrong, but It's the impression I got ) anyone got some more insights?
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 11:26 pm

Regardless of his faith, or reasons for being in Iraq, he did not deserve such a horrific death.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 11:26 pm

Yazoo, I can only think that probably none of us have ever seen a man, who was alive one minute, and the next, had his head sawed off. It looks pretty surreal, I think, becuase of how fast life left the man, and possibly the unimaginable brutality of these animals. Those 5 guys almost sounded like they got some sexual excitement out of what they were doing.

It does look unreal, because out minds have trouble comprehending such unfathomable barbarism.
 
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Thu May 13, 2004 11:52 pm

With this type of animals it doesn#t matter which religious group you belong to ( it is possible that the killers didn´t even know at this time that he was Jewish). Berg is a common name in Germany and Scandinavia.

About three years ago a black American Muslim, who was married to a Filipino Muslim woman from the island of Mindanao, wanted to get into contact with the Al qaeda trained Abu Sayaff group in the south west Philippines to hear their opinions. A relative of his wife organised the contact. Once he met the terrorists, they took him immideatly as a hostage, threatening to behead him, if the US government wouldn´t pay a lot of ransom and leave the Philippines. Fortunately he was rescued by a raid of Filipino military. They didn´t care that he was a fellow Muslim, all they cared about was that he was an American citizen.

The same applies iif they explode a bomb in a public place in Iraq. They might kill a few foreigners, but usualy most victims are fellow muslims. THey go according to the device: Let God sort out the innocent, they will go straight to heaven.

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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 4:20 am

Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Does it matter? He was American. Christian or Jewish or whatever, he still would have been killed. Heck, he still might have been killed if he was a Muslim. I don't think religion plays much of a part in this.

I have a friend who says that he might have been from the Mossad, since he was wandering around Iraq. The Africa statement made above by AGM100 would seem to add to the theory, but I'm not sure whether to buy into it, since things are still coming out, and it does sound somewhat like a conspiracy theory a bit.

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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 4:38 am

While his idiot parents are busy blaming President Bush for what happened, they forgot to mention that the father is a member of International ANSWER, a communist anti-war/anti-US/anti-Bush group.

From Reuters:

"In the radio interview from outside his home in West Chester, Pennsylvania, a seething Michael Berg also said his son probably would have felt positive even about his executioners until the last minute.

"I am sure that he only saw the good in his captors until the last second of his life," Berg said.

Then, referring to his son's executioners, he said: "They did not know what they were doing. They killed their best friend."
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 4:50 am

Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Does it matter? He was American.

Sorry, but does that matter? He was brutally killed without sense or reason - which is unjustifyable whether the person in question is American, British, French, German or any other nationality.

He was a human being that was killed by misguided idiots who believe in nothing but furthering their own misguided agenda.


While his idiot parents are busy blaming President Bush for what happened, they forgot to mention that the father is a member of International ANSWER, a communist anti-war/anti-US/anti-Bush group.

Does that make their grief any less meaningful? They have, after all, lost their son.


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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 9:07 am

He was at the wrong place (Iraq) at the wrong time (after an illegal war, followed by an illegal, ongoing occupation).

And what exactly is a legal war, and a legal occupation?
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 9:26 am

Does it matter? He was American.

Sorry, but does that matter?


It doesn't really, but I said it to make the point that since he was an American citizen (or a citizen of any western country), the terrorists probably wouldn't have cared at all what religion he was. I probably could have phrased it better.
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 10:25 am

Some interesting twists to this story:

Bizarre New Link In Berg Murder
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/11/iraq/main616842.shtml

Diplomat's E-Mails Show Berg in Custody
http://www.timesdaily.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20040513/apa/405130871

E-mails from U.S. consulate to Bergs
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=American%20Beheaded%20E%20mail

Berg's father says Bush and Rumsfeld to blame for death
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=521073

So, how did he managed to get out of US custody (in that orange prison-like uniform) and into the hands of that group.
 
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 12:28 pm

I have to agree, it doesn't matter.

I have a feeling with these 9/11 connections comming out, that conspiracy theoriest will be spinning a while with Mr. Berg.

At least the Japanese soldiers in WWII when they exectued a prisoner used a sword and tried to take the head off in one swing.

My understanding from the unedited video (Don't think I want to watch this) is that Berg was screaming for 15 seconds while the knive cut through his throat and then started to cut against the spinal columm.


It wasn't quick, it clearly wasn't painless, and I think it shows the caliber of the enemy that the US has been fighting since 9/11
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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 1:36 pm

"I heard that Mr. Berg was also recently in the Africa setting up a communication system for some outlying village? According to the reporter on ABC he volunteered to do it, as well as donated the antenna system and power source."

Yes, he traveled to Kenya and did that stuff, he was apparently quite the world traveler... (also covered in the aforementioned Philadelphia Inquirer article)...

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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 7:38 pm

Would it have mattered as much if he was a Muslim convert? more so of Latino, Asian or Black background? or Arab-American say from Libya, Sudan or Syria, perhaps Iraq itself?

Mir how about Japanese or Korean, or Mongolian, are they any less then Americans and westerners?

I think this is basically abig deal beacuse an American was killed as is always mad einto a big issue, what about teh Italian hostage who was assasinated there? what about teh Pakistani's killed in Macedonia? did you raise a hue and cry over those incidents?

They're all equally sick and disgusting.

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RE: Was Nick Berg Jewish?

Fri May 14, 2004 10:08 pm

I heard that he was killed this way because he was Jewish.
Had he been Christian or Muslim, he would have been shot but not decapitated.

The reason is that fundamentalists see Jewish as animals that you kill this way (like pigs) !!!
He really shouldn't have been there, that was a major mistake, and I hope all Americans civilians will leave now, for their own safety.

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