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Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:23 am

For all those who thump their chests and brag about how Bush is going to "beat kerry's ass" in this election, the opinion polls on his approval rating don't seem to agree.

While his losing support is not translating into significant gains by Kerry, it does say that an opportunity is presenting itself, and if Kerry actually gets on the ball and uses this to his advantage, there might be some interesting results this November.


Bush is, slowly, crumbling. And I'm not going to lie to you here...Bush is the favourite to win the election. and Kerry so far hasn't done enough to define himself and make an impact. But the tide...may just now be turning.


See the following links to confirm:

Newsweek has Bush's approval rating down to 42%, the lowest of his presidency and following a track that incumbents who lost re-election took. Not good for Bush. It shows Bush and Kerry essentially tied when matched up.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040515/ap_on_el_pr/bush_approval&cid=694&ncid=1963&sid=96378798


Gallup has Bush's approval rating down to 46%, again, lower than previously. And a matchup has Kerry winning over Bush 51% to 46%.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/14/bush.kerry/index.html

In Ohio, considered a must-win by both Bush and Kerry and probably the state that decides who wins this election, Kerry is leading Bush 49% to 42%.
http://americanresearchgroup.com/ohg/


I find this interesting. Especially because, no president who ever won re-election ever got below 50% at this time in their re-election bid and won. There is a chance, given the nature of current events, that things could change and Bush recovers. But, from a historical perspective...Bush could be in trouble:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/washpost/20040514/pl_washpost/a25367_2004may13&cid=1802&ncid=1926
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:28 am

Geeze, who would have guessed with all the bad news out of Iraq  Insane
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:29 am

I have a question about American polling. When you have a support poll, like Bush=50%, Kerry=50%, is this an overall polling (number of people in the country) or does it take into account the different states?

What I mean is, in 2000, Gore won the overall vote, but lost because of the state electoral colleges (I think that's how it is called), in which Bush had more delegates.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:32 am

:Yawn: National polls are useless since we don't elect the President based on the popular vote. One must look @ polls of each state, not nationally which are basically worthless for the above reason as well as there is no way a poll of 500-1000 people can gage the pulse of the nation.

State polls show Bush tied with Kerry in California, ahead in Oregon, and ahead or tied in several other states that Gore won in 2000 and ahead in every state he won in 2000 with maybe the exception of Ohio. (One poll puts Kerry ahead but not confirmed by any other poll.) Still other polls show Bush maintaining a national lead but of course these aren't reported.

My favorite poll is this one.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/05/13/poll_suggests_negative_ads_having_effect
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:47 am

Bush could very possibly be re-elected.

But it won't be because he is the best man for the job. It will be because of all the acts of desperation that the GOP relies upon to get what they want.

And they have a lot of tricks up their sleeves. They could indeed succeed.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:52 am



Diamond said:
>>>>And they have a lot of tricks up their sleeves. They could indeed succeed.<<<

Yah!!!....Like lower gas prices and finding Bin Laden to name two.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 10:00 am

But it won't be because he is the best man for the job. It will be because of all the acts of desperation that the GOP relies upon to get what they want.

Are you saying that they possess evil magic which turns Kerry votes into Bush votes?
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 10:09 am

But it won't be because he is the best man for the job. It will be because of all the acts of desperation that the GOP relies upon to get what they want.

That mean, old, dirty, underhanded, lying GOP.

OTOH, we have the Dems over here on the other side, smelling like roses, who have never known the words "acts of desperation"...who would've thought?
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 10:24 am

Hey, the democratic party has its fair share of problem people as well. But when it comes to Kerry vs. Bush, I feel much safer with a man like Kerry in the highest office of the nation.

B757300, I suggest you have a look at this article posted on a polling site that has a reputation for being GOP-leaning..that goes against what you say. National polls DO matter.

Click:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Keeping%20State%20Polls%20in%20Perspective.htm

Excerpt: "April 25, 2004--Many people have written recently with various forms of the same message: "National polls don't matter in the Presidential Race. As we learned four years ago, the only thing that counts is the Electoral College."

That perspective is understandable, but wrong."


Continued article at the link above.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 10:26 am

Thats great that ONE poll that polls maybe 5000 people out of 200 million sum odd voters.


Yes this info. is very very true.


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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 10:33 am

How about you get realistic: It is impossible to poll all the residents of a state, or a country. You're lucky to get 5,000, even luckier to get 10,000. I've never seen a poll, aside from official elections, that covered more than 20,000 people and those are very rare themselves.


Scientific polling, even if it uses single-digit thousands, can come very close to the reflection of the population as a whole, that's why they have "margins of error". There is a formula for finding different groups of people and asking them the same question then pooling all the results together to get a cross-section of the larger population and their opinions.


If this same poll said Bush was ahead by 30 points you'd all believe it in a heartbeat. It's just cause Kerry's ahead that makes you try to discredit this data. Be realistic, the only poll that stands a chance of reaching every adult over 18 is actual elections, and even those only draw in a percentage of the whole population.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 10:36 am

It's just cause Kerry's ahead that makes you try to discredit this data.

What the *#** are you smoking????


Kerry is NOT in the lead sorry to break your heart.

He is still trailing as always.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 11:25 am

While his losing support is not translating into significant gains by Kerry

Kerry is losing ground as well:

The thinning support for Bush, 57, hasn't pushed Senator John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat and presidential candidate, ahead of his opponent. The last Newsweek poll found that Kerry, 60, would have defeated Bush, if the election were held at that time, with 50 percent of the vote to Bush's 43 percent. In the new poll, the candidates are in a statistical tie.

Especially because, no president who ever won re-election ever got below 50% at this time in their re-election bid and won.

Maybe according to Gallup, but not Newsweek:

In May 1996, Clinton garnered a 48 percent approval rating while Reagan's rating reached 54 percent in May 1984, according to Newsweek. Both men were re-elected.

Gerald Ford, who lost his bid for a second term as president, had a 47 percent approval rating in May 1976. George H. W. Bush, who also failed to win re-election, had a 35 percent approval rating in May 1992.


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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 11:58 am

Kerry is NOT in the lead sorry to break your heart.

He is still trailing as always.


Actually, in some polls, Kerry is slightly ahead, and in others, Bush is slightly ahead, both usually around 44 to 47 percent, it seems. So, to say "as always" is a bit of mis-statement.

Bush is in trouble, no doubt, but he still has to be the slight favorite. Not the prohibitive favorite he was last year, but the incumbency in the presidency is a powerful advantage, no matter who wields it.

Kerry, meanwhile, will not gain nor lose a lot between now and the convention. It's just too early, and most Americans don't pay that close attention till after the Major League All Star Break  Smile He can let Bush keep taking body blows from events, without commenting a whole lot. Why shoud he? Events are hurting Bush more than the Democrats right now.

Unless Iraq improves dramtically this summer-and my choice for President notwithstanding, I hope to hell it does, simply as an American-Bush will not win. Consumer prices are rising, and the Fed is going to increase interestes rates. This economy isn't a juggernaut yet, like the one in the 90's, and it's still not on sold gorund, so the economy can still hurt Bush, too.

But again, it's too far off for any conclusions, but things are starting to take shape.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 12:12 pm

"Scientific Poll"

Isn't that a contradiction in terms.

Again I ask, "Why is this the least bit surprising"

The news has been dominated over the past week with bad news that isn't necessarily the president's fault. If the liberal media where putting up Tulips and butterfly's stories about the president, oddly enough, I would expect a higher approval rating.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 12:15 pm

Boy, L-188, talk about a post that said absolutely nothing.

For someone who isn't a "Republican", you sure spend a lot of time kissing up to George W. Bush. Amazing.
 
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Sun May 16, 2004 12:18 pm



..............L-188 is really Zel Miller
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 12:30 pm

Nope, not a republican.

Why should I not want to see Alaska seeceed from the US and become it's own nation?

But that is a different topic, Why do you think that speaking out about how amazing that some pro-Kerry people think a poll during a bad week for the president is their highlight of the entertainment year?
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 12:34 pm

No, that highlight will come in the fall when someone who isn't a Republican like yourself has to explain why Bush lost the election.  Wink/being sarcastic

I'm sure the take on here from our esteemed conservative friends will be it's all the media's fault.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 12:42 pm

Actually Alpha1 I will be doing the same thing I try and do every night......

TRY AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD



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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 12:49 pm

We will see who comes out to the polls in November...
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 1:02 pm

In summary:

George W Bush kills kittens in his basement in crawford texas and tells little children their parents will eat them if they don't pledge their lives to the advancement of supply side economics
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 2:05 pm

Why should I not want to see Alaska seeceed from the US and become it's own nation?

 Yeah sure Oh come on. You really mean to tell me that if John Kerry is elected that Alaska will secceed from the Union?


Really now, L-188...there ARE alternatives to drilling in the ANWR, like the north shelf. You mean to tell me that it is sooooo terribly important to Alaska to have drilling in the ANWR that if we don't, Alaska's residents are going to stomp their feet and whine and break away from the union?


Fine. Go.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 2:12 pm

No I don't think so Aloha, but we will continue to struggle for that goal.

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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 2:43 pm

Why, L-188. Why do you personally want to seceed. I know for a fact that not all Alaskans share your opinion...which is all it is...YOUR opinion. Are you somehow connected to the oil industry personally? Is there a vested interest that you have in drilling in the ANWR versus the north shelf? What difference does it make, Alaska still gets an economic boost either way, but the north shelf wouldn't disrupt a protected wildlife refuge. So why should you care? More drilling will happen in Alaska, but why is it all important that it be done in the ANWR to you?



What kind of alaskan government do you want, L-188, and what about the large segments of the population that would rather remain a part of the US....do their opinions count?


I am very curious why it is you feel the way you do. Because you talk about Alaska as a whole deciding to seceed if Kerry is elected...somehow, i dont think you speak for the whole of the population in that regard. This is a serious issue, a state leaving the Union, and you shouldnt just throw something like that around over an issue like this when a VIABLE alternative exists!

And if Alaska feels as you say it does, why doesn't Bush gain 90% of the vote, or heck even 70% of the vote, when matched up against Kerry in state polls? If secession as a result of kerry's election were truly an option, quite a bit more opposition to kerry in your state should exist, shouldn't it?
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 2:47 pm

Do we really want to get into the way the federal goverment has blatently violated the statehood compact on numerous occasions. Particulaly when it comes to fish and game management.

Thanks to the feds I can no longer hunt over most of the state.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 2:55 pm

But...what else...I mean isn't there a higher reason for wanting to seceed? Remember, you are talking about the permanent removal of Alaska as part of the United States, and all the services that it provides for your country. Is a hunting rights issue really worth that kind of political upheaval?
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 3:07 pm

and all the services that it provides for your country

Isn't that the definition of a bribe.

Give money to the states so that they can't chose the route of self determination?

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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 3:30 pm

It's called being part of a country, L-188. All states are provided services under the nation's government. It's not some bribe or special treatment, it's how the government works.


Come on L-188, what's this really about. If you love GWB and the admin so much that are running this country, why do you also want to seceed from the union. I don't get your reason for wanting to be independent.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Sun May 16, 2004 9:26 pm

In summary:

George W Bush kills kittens in his basement in crawford texas and tells little children their parents will eat them if they don't pledge their lives to the advancement of supply side economics

Nope, he and his administration 'only' sent your country to war based on either a lie, or grossly negligent intelligence. Either way, he doesn't have the balls as commander in cheif to accept any mistake he makes. This is shown throughout his administration when Rumsfeld went to Iraq and said "I'm a surviver!" in clear response to those saying he should resign over the torture issue.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 1:31 am

As the old saying goes: "Figures lies and liars figure."

These polls are nothing more than fuzzy math at best. The margin of error that these polls claim is not even viable. They say they call X amount of registered voters at random for these polls; one round of these polls may end up randomly calling more Republicans, and the next Democrats, so one cannot truly get the complete picture of the feelings of the electorate. How in the world can the President have such a low approval rating and still be the frontrunner in the upcoming elections? Those numbers just do not add up. In theory, if you dislike the President, then technically you would be less likely to vote for him come November, and he would have lower numbers in a Presidental preference poll. In reality, it doesn't go that way because all polls are skewed, intentionally or unintentionally. And no telling how many Independent voters are being left out of these "randomly selected" polls.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 3:35 am

However, when many of these "random" polls begin to show the same results, does that mean that the fact that Bush's support is declining suddenly is more believable?


You got Gallup saying: Bush support is dropping

You got newsweek saying the same.

You have ARG saying the same.

How many more polls do we need, showing the same, before it becomes credible? 10? 20?
 
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Mon May 17, 2004 3:56 am

If electronic voting isn't watched meticuously... that's now Bush's only hope. That is the only way they can get him back into office. The makers of voting machines are conservative corporations and if they can squeeze out a Bush win somehow, somewhere.. they will do it. But most of there states are bible belt states. Because of enormous electronic voting problems here, Calif. is ruling them out and sticking with paper ballots. Now that I think about it.. I bet if there was a way to scrutinize electronic votes in 2000.. you'll find that Bush probably lost in about 10+ other states 'he supposedly won'. This EV subject has been in the news alot lately... it's be interesting to see what path other states will take this fall. But at this point EV is Bush's only hope and /or he pulls OBL out of a hat (which could happened .. if's gonna do it.. he'd better do before Michael Moore's movie comes out) it's all about Dubya's family ties and the Bin Ladens. That movie is gonna blow turpedo into Dubya's election hopes..just watch.

He better cash in obn the high oil prices... cuz his goose is cooked!

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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 4:07 am

It's time for the UN to step in and check on those machines.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 9:08 am

If electronic voting isn't watched meticuously... that's now Bush's only hope.

Well, you tell how closely it needs watched when the CEO of Deibold, who was picked to supply voting machines in Ohio, AND, by the way, is a big monetary support of Bush and the GOP, said that he'd deliver Ohio to Bush?

Now, you tell me.

It's time for the UN to step in and check on those machines.
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I'm not a huge supporter of the UN, but I believe they have a place in the world, but on this issue, I would say, without hesitation, that the UN has absolutely no fucking business on voting machines in the United States. They can go screw themselves, if someone tries to interject the UN into our elections.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 9:27 am

Bush Is Losing Support

Isn't it about freakin time??!!??!!??!!?!

I'm sorry, but this president is gullible and can't fool a baby.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 9:29 am

As a well known political commentator said recently, polls are taken so often now that they are used to make news, not report the public opinion on it. Whenever the media needs more anti-Bush rhetoric, they create a poll that shows whatever statistics they need it to.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 9:34 am

For once, I kind of agree with B757300.

But the fact is, your hero Bush is in a world of trouble right now.  Big grin
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 9:37 am

Here is that article, originally from the Cleveland Plain Dealer, about the head of Diebold. And we should trust this company?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0828-08.htm
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 11:48 am

Interesting article... permitting Diebold to 'sell' voting machines to anyone is a tantamount to a judge adjudicating a case in which he is the accused. Esp. which such open and blatant support for one side over the other. I can't believe the public outrage isn't near as loud as it should be. Going in.. Diebold knows that most volunteers operating the machines will be computer-illiterate senior citizens -- and voila...and easy scapegoat to lay malfunctions on.

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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:12 pm

"and if Kerry actually gets on the ball and uses this to his advantage... I think he'd best get a start on things right quickly.

"How many more polls do we need, showing the same, before it becomes credible? 10? 20? There is only 1 poll that matters, November 2nd.

As a lifelong democrat it pains me to say the I will be voting for the shrub this year. I hate me.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Not that it's really a first as I voted against Clinton twice.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:28 pm

As a lifelong democrat it pains me to say the I will be voting for the shrub this year. I hate me.

Not that it's really a first as I voted against Clinton twice.


Say hi to Mr. Zell Miller A Democrat-Not.

ANY Democrat that votes for this extremists administration just leave the party. They're not wanted.

I think he'd best get a start on things right quickly.

Why? Let events punish that man you're going to vote for, IMissPiedmont. Kerry should not waste political capital or $$$ right now, when he's at a disadvantage to begin with, money-wise. The real campaign doesn't begin till late June anyway. He should save as much ammo as possible for the real campaign.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:34 pm

I don't think it is just the bad news coming out of Iraq. That may have caused the most recent dip in poll numbers but there is a more long term dynamic at work here.

I think that many Americans, even those of us who supported the President's decision to go to war, see that the President and some of his neocon advisors absolutely refuse to take a sober look at the reality in Iraq. What appeared once as an unflinching determination to succeed in Iraq is beginning to look more and more like a suicide pact.

In order to succeed in Iraq, we need to stabilize the country and restore civil order. There is no way that we can help build a civil society if Iraqis waiting in line to sign up for the army are shot dead and one sect of Muslims massacres another to foment a civil war. The Pentagon has failed miserably. Taking out Saddam was the easy part of what the White House promised to deliver.

Instead of admitting mistakes and sending in more troops to protect Iraq's porous borders and to relieve overextended soldiers, they stick to the ideological playbook in an almost Soviet way. The President's pledge to give General Abizaid what he needs was nice sounding but completely bogus. The civilians in Rumsfeld's service all but totally ignored advice from military leaders before the war in Iraq. For example, General Eric Shinseki was rebuked by Rumsfeld when he correctly predicted that more troops than orignally allocated would be needed to secure Iraq. Now the Pentagon civilians are blaming many problems in Iraq on the military as if they were an entirely separate institution.

I would bet money that General Abizaid knows that he is not supposed to ask for any more troops except in the most exceptional of circumstances. Even then, I would raise my bet and say that any such request from Abizaid would have to be pre-approved by Pentagon civilians (Feith, Cambone) before it were officially sent to Rumsfeld and made public.

If the Bush Administration implicitly or explicitly concedes that Iraq was not the surgical, relatively painless war they promised, they will pay a big political price. I think it is pretty clear now that they care more about winning in November more than they care about winning in Iraq anytime soon. In the meantime, an US solider or two is killed almost every single day in this macabre political gamble.

I do not understand how Karl Rove can sleep at night.

Whether President Bush wins or loses this fall, Karl Rove and company have inflicted as much or more long term damage our political system as did Bill Clinton.
 
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:37 pm

But Kerry need not spend a penny, Alpha. He could simply say something meaningful.

As for my leaving the "party", that sounds just a bit as though Kruschev was right, he took over the US without ever firing a shot.

Sorry to dissapoint but I vote for the best choice and Kerry is proving to fall short so far. With only 5 1/2 months to go he has not said one thing of substance.
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:41 pm

Sorry to dissapoint but I vote for the best choice and Kerry is proving to fall short so far. With only 5 1/2 months to go he has not said one thing of substance.

Bush hasn't said anything of substance in almost 4 years in office. He acts like he won a mandate by a landslide. Re-elect him, and God help this republic, unless you don't mind everything being a secret, or being eternally at war (not only with enemies, made up or not, but our friends as well).

If you want to live in a state of seige all the time, then vote for George Bush. You'll get your wish.
 
JAL777
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:44 pm

It seems to me that both candidates have about as much presidential qualifications as I do... I will not be voting for either of them.
 
b757300
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:49 pm

It seems to me that both candidates have about as much presidential qualifications as I do... I will not be voting for either of them.

John Kerry and Al-Qaeda thank you for your vote.
"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
 
JAL777
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 12:56 pm

John Kerry and Al-Qaeda thank you for your vote.

Ah... fuck it. Not even going to bother to respond.
 
flyboy36y
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 1:06 pm

Actually, you can look at all this from a theological perspective:

If GW Bush wins, that is proof that there is no God, or that God likes to get bitched. Bush bitches god all the time by using God in vain to push his own partisan agenda.

If GW Bush loses then God gets my vote...
 
N79969
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RE: Polls Confirm: Bush Is Losing Support

Mon May 17, 2004 9:24 pm

B757300,

"John Kerry and Al-Qaeda thank you for your vote."

You are the type of conservative...actually I don't know if you qualify as a "conservative." Conservatives are deep thinkers. You are the kind of non-thinking Republican that is undermining the long-term future of the GOP and the conservative movement. You seem to borrow a page from Karl Rove who has managed to convince some people that you are a patriot only if you support GWB's plans 100%.

By crassly politicizing the sacred concept of American patriotism, Karl Rove has truly betrayed our country in my view.

Your low-brow insult to JAL777 is typical of your mostly asinine remarks.

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