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Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 3:42 am

This is pretty funny. And no, there is no Lagniappe,LA in case you were wondering. But there's probably a Daryl's Bait Shop or two around.  Smile



From James (Cooter) Thompson

Dear Senator Kerry:

I am Designated Letter Writer for the guys down to Daryl's Bait Shop here in Lagniappe, Louisiana. We have been shaking our heads over your stumbling campaign. It ain't so much we like you or your Party, but you are a fellow American, born in the U S of A, so we don't want you to disgrace yourself.

Here are 10 helpful hints we have worked up for you. (More if you want them. Let us know.)

1 We know you served in Nam. You'd do yourself a favor if you didn't keep mentioning it every time someone pokes a microphone in your face. Geez, it was 35 years ago you did that for what was it, four months? Some of us Daryl's Bait Shop guys spent more time than that on chow lines.

2 Get your stories straight. Admit you threw your or someone's medals and/or ribbons over the Capitol fence in '71, and you went touring around with Jane Fonda, and you testified falsely to atrocities by US troops. You ought to say that was all a youthful mistake. We've made a few. We'll understand.

3 It's OK, you can talk French to French reporters if you want to, we don't mind. Smilin' Jack Boudreau can speak French, and we elected him Chief of the Lagniappe Volunteer Fire Company. We're not bigots. We call 'em as we see 'em, make up our minds.

4 Sen. Kerry, why aren't you touting your good luck in snaggin, not one, but two, rich wives? Here at Daryl's we often wonder what it would be like to have a really rich wife. We speculate just how big a bass boat we could buy, along with one of those new Dodge Hemi trucks to pull it to the crick. Smilin Jack always points out how it's his cousins, Marvin and Dickweed who appear in those Dodge Hemi commercials but still they can't afford one of their own. We chuckle how we could be fishin all day with nary a worry about where the money is coming from. You don't have to cook that ketchup, do you? Come on, show the world how lucky you are. We here in the South respect achievement and don't begrudge someone's good fortune even if he's a politician.

5 Me and Boudreau wonder why you aren't going to the wrasslin matches to get votes? We've seen videotape of you on the ski slopes. You got some good moves, looks like you already know how to take a fall. All us here (except Freddie Dobbs and Herm Harrison) are great fans of wrasslin. Not that we'd vote for you just because you was one. Armen Yazoo is a wrasslin maniac, but none of us would vote for him even if he was running only for dogcatcher. So you got to tread easy on showing you're Joe Sixpack who just happened to go to Swiss prep school and St. Paul's School and Yale College Skull & Bones. We'd see through that pose in about a minute and a half and mark you for a hypocritical windbag and general liar. You needn't go to the trouble of hanging a black velvet Elvis oil painting in any of your living rooms. Weren't none of us recently fell off a turnip truck.

6 Tell us something you're for. We already know what you're against.

7 We ain't all that impressed with the UN and we don't know why you keep bowing in its direction, promising you will go there first thing if you are elected President of this country. Is there anything the UN has ever done right? Didn't they make a royal mess of that Iraq oil-for-food program, millions skimmed off just happened to land in their personal bank accounts? Seems to us they spend around 98 percent of their time passing resolutions that don't add up to a hill of beans.

8 If you're for lower gasoline prices in the morning, don't be proposing a 50 cents a gallon tax boost on gasoline in the afternoon. Saying one thing in Shreveport and the opposite in Baton Rouge don't inspire us with confidence with you as President. Maybe you should stay in the Senate where you got 99 other guys to share the responsibility with.

9 We got indoor privies, color TV, cell phones, and computers. Give us some credit for brains and understanding. We know economic conditions are good and getting better. Your telling us we're miserable, deluded fools just won't fly. And it gives us the eerie feeling that you're hoping for a relapse into recession to help your electoral chances.

10 You have beaten all your Democratic opponents in all the primaries and caucuses held so far. Yet you seem out of touch with your party and with America. Maybe you've been a pol too long, been campaigning too long and you need a break before the Convention. We all think the best thing you can do is haul out your Harley, put TeRAYza on the pillion and take off for the Sturgis South Dakota Bike Rally. Meet the folks. A few of us from Daryl's will be there. You don't have to get tattooed.

Sincerely,

Cooter

(with the considerable assistance of J. Boudreau and B. Bass)

 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 3:48 am

You have beaten all your Democratic opponents in all the primaries and caucuses held so far.


Other than the above error (he lost Oklahoma, Vermont, and S. Carolina)... this article was absolutely FRIGGIN' GREAT!!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Beautiful!






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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:08 am

Somewhat humourous though our 'friend" Cooter here has a few points.


First the one that I keep having to debunk...the 50 cent tax hike. That was in 1994. Since then Kerry has consistently said he regrets that vote. The Bush admin is making it sound like Kerry still supports it. He doesn't. He cast that vote 10 years ago and no longer supports it. Hey, we all make mistakes.


#3 I agree with. I would hope people stop the "hate french people" thing. That's just xenophobic and wrong.


#6 I agree with. Time for Kerry to give people a reason to vote FOR him rather than just AGAINST George Bush.

#7, I understand the sentiment, many people are disillusioned with the UN, but at the very least we should get in there and do something to make the UN effective again. Someone's gotta grab the UN by the balls without alienating it. Bush has completely alienating it, when done the right way, it can be used as a huge advantage. I think Kerry can do a much better job of this.

#9, I sort of agree with. Using the economy as an argument against GWB is beginning to become a bit weaker as the economy improves. No doubt if the economy went into the tank again, it could only help Kerry. We are on a very slow recovery. The last thing we want people thinking is that Kerry WANTS the economy to get bad agan just to win. Some Kerry supporters, including myself, wish that the economic recovery would slow down just to help our candidate's chances. It's selfish, yes, but I want Kerry to win this one and get Bush out. Kerry does not, likely, endorse this point of view. And we dont want people thinking he does so maybe it would be a good idea to begin shifting focus.

#10, I dont think he's out of tough so much, it's that he doesn't realize that running a campaign for president is different than running a campaign for Senator of Massachussetts.

He's trying to approach this from the same way as his prior elections: Run even or behind for a while, then be a strong finisher and win. This could work, but on the presidential stage, once you're "defined" for the voters it is EXTREMELY hard to shake that bad image. First impressions last the longest and Kerry just sat by and watched the GOP define him for voters before voters even really knew him.

He's now labeled dishonest and a flip-flopper. sound familiar? Why it's Al Gore, the man the GOP completely tarred in the 2000 election. Blatant lies were not beyond them. Al Gore NEVER said he invented the internet. The GOP made it up. They lied, and told that lie so many times it became truth, and as a result, Gore was seen as a liar and egotist by the public. They'll lie again, they already are lying, and Kerry is letting them do it because his approach is "let them use their ammo now so that they don't have any left for the general election."

Talk about a gamble. It could pay off, I certainly hope it does, but this isn't Massachusetts anymore. It pleases me to see Kerry running ahead in the polls, but that coud easily change. All it takes is an October surprise...or a faster economic improvement, or, in the unlikely even that it happens...Iraq stabilization and withdrawal of troops.


IF all three of those happen then what does Kerry have to run on? If Bush's fortunes improve, there needs to be a higher reason to vote for Kerry over Bush. And he ought to be outlining that right now, so that even if Bush DOES pull a few more rabbits out of his hat...or terrorists out of spider holes as it were...that people still have more reason to vote for Kerry, on positive issues, than to vote against Bush. This election is a referendum on the incumbent. If the incumbent suddenly has things go his way...the challenger will lose, unless the challenger makes a case as to why he is the better man regardless of the failures of the current admin.


Kerry is NOT fighting the way he promised he would. He better start soon. IF not, his only hope of winning "FOR Kerry" votes, not just "Against Bush" votes, would be to put a charismatic, exciting VP on the ticket. And then allow that VP to outshine even his own self.


Most of the other points I disagree with our dear friend "cooter" on.
 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:21 am

That's just xenophobic and wrong

...what goes around, comes around.



Someone's gotta grab the UN by the balls without alienating it

Problem is, Kerry's only [thus-far-indicated] intention is to go crawling to it, not fix it.





The last thing we want people thinking is that Kerry WANTS the economy to get bad agan just to win

Hmmm, now why on Earth would they get THAT impression...?  Yeah sure

Some Kerry supporters, including myself, wish that the economic recovery would slow down just to help our candidate's chances.

...and here it is folks; yet they called Rush crazy when he said Democrats actively/intentionally pine for a weakening of American military/economy, if it meant another arrow toward GWB.

You sickening unpatriotic cesspool of sh!tclogged biomass  Pissed
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:31 am

You sickening unpatriotic cesspool of sh!tclogged biomass


Now knock that off. That's Rush saying that, not Kerry. I don't think that's appropriate at all, Concordeboy, whether you meant it for me, for Kerry, or both.
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 4:32 am

ConcordeBoy: Problem is, Kerry's only [thus-far-indicated] intention is to go crawling to it, not fix it.

Crawling to a body you yourself are a major part of? How would that work? Big grin

And on what evidence is your amazing insight based, originally? Just curious!
 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:41 am

I don't think that's appropriate at all, Concordeboy

I couldn't imagine a more appropriate use for that statement... and yes, it was meant for you.




Crawling to a body you yourself are a major part of? How would that work?

Hopefully, the country will never get to witness.





And on what evidence is your amazing insight based, originally? Just curious!

Oh I dunno... maybe because he's only said it ten thousand and one times? Just answering!
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:46 am

Said what...that'd he'd reach out to the UN and attempt to repair the ties between other countries? You see that as a bad thing?

and yes, it was meant for you.


I'm flattered to receive such a heartfelt and colourful insult. I still don't think it was appropriate or called for. I don't feel the same about you.
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 4:47 am

ConcordeBoy: Hopefully, the country will never get to witness.

In other words, you don´t know what you´re talking about. Again.  Insane


ConcordeBoy: Oh I dunno... maybe because he's only said it ten thousand and one times? Just answering!

You won´t have a problem, then, to provide a quote that actually supports your far-reaching claim. Let´s see it, please!  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:55 am

And Concordeboy, I don't know how you justify calling me unpatriotic. What basis are you using for that accusation?


Is the definition of a patriot a Bush supporter? Do we have to support his war on Iraq, his war on the environment, his arrogance to the world, his bigoted approach to gay issues, his decidedly un-conservative leadership, racking up deficits and growing the size of the government to a point that it intrudes on our daily lives, trampling on civil rights...all in the name of God himself?

If supporting these is the definition of a patriot, then you're right, I'm no patriot. But if being a patriot means having a voice and speaking out against leading the country you love down the wrong path, standing up for what's good for the country, then I AM a patriot. I love my country. I despise what our president is doing to it, damaging our relations with other countries and leaving a domestic mess that will take years to clean up.


I have to support THIS to be a patriot? Come on Concordeboy, opposing Bush doesn't make one unpatriotic and you know it.

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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 4:56 am

Far reaching? Give me a break... have you actually ever listened to the man talk???? He cannot completely a statement without "UN" or "Vietnam"

Anywho, 10second search. You want more? Knock yourself out.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/04/22/kerrys_un_fetish/
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/charleskrauthammer/ck20040423.shtml
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Wed May 19, 2004 5:03 am

John Kerry: Within weeks of being inaugurated, I will return to the U.N. and I will literally, formally rejoin the community of nations and turn over a proud new chapter in America's relationship with the world.

Shock! Horror! He would actually respect that foreign sub-human scum the UN is infested with! How can he dare to stoop that low!  Nuts

What I´ve seen so far is only evidence that he´ll stop spitting into everybody´s faces.

I´m still waiting for evidence that he plans to "crawl" to the UN.

You´re not done, yet!

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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:14 am

I can almost hear the bugles playing some random patriotic tune in the background. Keep it up guys, I haven't read such heartfelt garbage in a while.
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:22 am

And Concordeboy, I don't know how you justify calling me unpatriotic. What basis are you using for that accusation?

Oh, I dunno... perhaps BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID YOU'D RATHER AMERICA SUFFER THE DECLINE INTO ANOTHER ECONOMIC RECESSION SO THAT YOUR PETTY PARTISANSHIP CAN BE SATISFIED?!?!?!?!?!?!???!??!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!





Is the definition of a patriot a Bush supporter?

Freeze right there bucko!  Yeah sure

No one said a damn thing about supporting Bush, GOP, Mahatma Gandhi, whoever......

.....what makes you not worth the hide you were born in: is that you'd knowingly advocate the degradation of your own nation for the sake of a temporary political fix, of ANY sort.

F^cking shame on you.  Angry





damaging our relations with other countries

On a somewhat unrelated note: they've proven their worth to us... fuck 'em.




and leaving a domestic mess that will take years to clean up

Hate to break this to you... but what we're seeing is the cleanup from a one 1993-2001





I have to support THIS to be a patriot?

Nope, you have to not pine for hardship on your own country.
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:35 am

BECAUSE YOU JUST SAID YOU'D RATHER AMERICA SUFFER THE DECLINE INTO ANOTHER ECONOMIC RECESSION SO THAT YOUR PETTY PARTISANSHIP CAN BE SATISFIED?!?!?!?!?!?!???!??!?!??!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!


That's not what I said, "Bucko". I said, that truth be told I actually hope that the economy continues to recover slowly (NOT go back into a recession) because it would help Kerry's chances. GWB has not helped the economy at all. If we get this sudden recovery, which happens with or without Bush's influence because economies go in cycles, people may credit Bush with the recovery and therefore decide to re-elect him. Kerry can't help the economy much either but he CAN do things to help the problem of job outsourcing by issuing incentives for companies to keep their employment base in the USA.


Bush, on the other hand, embraces outsourcing of jobs and is not doing anything to incite companies to remain here. That is something he COULD do to help the economy, but isn't. Kerry will. I want the economic recovery to continue of course, I just don't want people to credit Bush with it.


.....what makes you not worth the hide you were born in

Completely inappropriate, Concordeboy.


On a somewhat unrelated note: they've proven their worth to us... fuck 'em.

that's a dangerous and arrogant attitude to take.

Hate to break this to you... but what we're seeing is the cleanup from a one 1993-2001

Oh that's right...being on much better terms with other countries then than we are now was a "mess" that needed to be cleaned up. Smaller government and relatively peaceful times was a "mess" that needed to be cleaned up. Iraq containment was a "mess" that needed to be cleaned up. I telll you what, under Clinton, I felt much safer in my own homeland than I do now. And I hate to break it to you...it isn't OBL who suddenl;y began to make me feel unsafe. It was George W. Bush. I actually supported the guy for a long time then began to wake up to just where he was leading this country. I don't like it. I aim to use my vote to help change it.


Yep, Bush has lost the vote of this " unpatriotic cesspool of sh!tclogged biomass ".  Insane

 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:43 am

"Some Kerry supporters, including myself, wish that the economic recovery would slow down just to help our candidate's chances. It's selfish, yes, but I want Kerry to win this one and get Bush out."

Are you retarded or ignorant?

I have seen several of your posts before, and have very rarely responded because I am not a big fan of wasting time...but you really summed yourself up, as well as many others on here and abroad with that post.

I have to ask, do you like the reported "piling up of American bodies?"

Does it please you that a handfull of prisoners wearing girls underwear supercedes a man getting his head cut off with a knife?

And if not...why not, because Bush's numbers fall a tad bit more every time those headlines crawl on the screen.

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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:44 am

Wow...double post.

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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:48 am

Bush is doing far more things to hurt this country than the economy is to improve it. So, while I won't go so far to endorse Aloha717200's statement, if a slowing economy helped to get Kerry elected, the result would be a net gain for the United States.
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 5:51 am

I have to ask, do you like the reported "piling up of American bodies?"

Does it please you that a handfull of prisoners wearing girls underwear supercedes a man getting his head cut off with a knife?

And if not...why not, because Bush's numbers fall a tad bit more every time those headlines crawl on the screen.




Are you dumb, or ignorant? Because I've been one of the first people to respond with outrage at these things. Us abusing the prisoners was wrong, but that beheading was simply atrocious. And I am offended that you would even SUGGEST that it pleases me. You're right, Bush's numbers do go down. But I'd rather have Nick Berg still alive and Bush's approval rating higher than have his lower at the expense of Berg's life. God lord almighty I cannot believe anyone would suggest I'd be HAPPY about something like that.


 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 5:53 am

Looks a lot like deflating windbag syndrome to me...  Insane

He still owes me a viable quote as well.
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:00 am

Well I am glad to see where you draw the line, but be aware that there are those out there that are not as clear cut as yourself and do find a sick pleasure in the failings of the US.

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Wed May 19, 2004 6:06 am

GWB has not helped the economy at all.

Bullshit



which happens with or without Bush's influence because economies go in cycles

Mighty funny how your ilk chooses to utilize this theory now... but it's "voodoo economics" to suggest the same for the stagnation period after the Clinton/Gore recession?  Nuts



the problem of job outsourcing

What "problem"...?




Bush, on the other hand, embraces outsourcing of jobs

Perhaps because it's capitalism at its best Caballero, sorry to tell ya.





I just don't want people to credit Bush with it.

....even when credit's due. Which is what makes you, and those that share such stance, the ultimate in persona non patriotica  Laugh out loud




that's a dangerous and arrogant attitude to take.

that's a monotonous and tired soundbyte to use




being on much better terms with other countries then than we are now

You perpetually trumpet this as if it were some plaque on a wall... yet what's it worth?!

Do the French hate us? Answer: who besides uberLiberals actually cares?
....do they still trade with us? -yes! ....are we still "allies"? -yes! ...is any of this all that different than before? -no!


...........ditto German
..............ditto Russia
.................ditto Spain
....................ditto Pakistan
.......................ditto WhoGivesAratsAssistan



Yep, Bush has lost the vote of this " unpatriotic cesspool of sh!tclogged biomass ".

...and I can assure you he's lost immeasurable nanoseconds of sleep over it  Insane
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:09 am

Let me say a few things here that I have said before:

1. If Bush was a democrat, I'd be voting Republican this year. It's the man I don't like and his transformation of the part, not necessarily the party itself.

2. As much as I despise bush, never would I condone a violent act that in any way harms him, either directly or indirectly. An indirect harm, such as Nick Berg. A direct harm, such as someone attacking the president or someone in his administration, an assasination attempt, or whatever. Never would I support that. We had a member on here a while back, who said on the day that GWB made his thanksgiving visit to Iraq, that he hoped some terrorists with RPGs did soem "spotting" at Baghdad Int'l to shoot AF1 down.


Horrible. And as against Bush as I am, I don't think any such glee in the death or suffering of another no matter what political bias you have is acceptable at all. Bush, to my mind, is unfit to be a leader. He should be removed through the democratic process of elections this november. Being incompetent is not a death sentence, and in no way does he or anyone else deserve physical harm over politics.

Nor do i condone the suffering of anyone over political reasons. All I am saying here is that Bush himself does not deserve credit for the economic recovery. Therefore, I hope that this recovery does not boom to a point where bush can say "Hey, look what I've done, the economy is strong again!" because people will believe he actually is responsible. He isn't. And he doesn't deserve to have the recovery be the issue that gets him re-elected.


I hope that shows even clearer where I draw the line.
 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:10 am

And I am offended that you would even SUGGEST that it pleases me.
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God lord almighty I cannot believe anyone would suggest I'd be HAPPY about something like that.



...and why cant you? It's not that much of a leap from being Happy about a nation-wide mass economic recession for the same purposes.
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:18 am

Kerry doesn't have to wait, want or wish for 'Bush's economy' to collapse... it's imploding on it's on! Why? Because of 'Neglect'!

'Here, a tax cut... wait here, another tax cut.. whoa.. how about one more tax cut"

WTF is that? That's a policy? That's managing the economy??? It must be the same management style applied in managing the War on terror/drugs/sex/illegal guns and anything else that needs a war. Which means Big Bird could do a better job at the helm.

As for this letter from Cletis, the slaw-jawed yokel.. well who'd expect it contain such pristine spelling however off the deep end the subject (and content)... but that's Cletis.

The mess from the 1993-2000... I don't who suffered during those years, but 10-1 says people would take them back in a NY minute over the supertanker of horseshit we've gotten from Dubya/Dick since 2000! Fed Ex both of them to Texas/Wyoming with a boot print on their asses! And lock the gate and toss the key. And anyone misses them... you're free to join them!


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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:23 am

it's imploding on it's on!

Interesting.

Perhaps you should relay that tidbit to Greenspan, who for whatever reason seems to think that the economy is growing so swiftly that rates might have to be raised in order to ensure its stability.....  Yeah sure
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:26 am

Bullshit


OK, what has he done to help the economy, directly, Concordeboy?



Mighty funny how your ilk chooses to utilize this theory now... but it's "voodoo economics" to suggest the same for the stagnation period after the Clinton/Gore recession?

I don't even know what you mean here. There was a boom economy under clinton, then in the last year it began to slow, continued to slow through the first months of the Bush admin, then 9/11 happened and the bottom fell out. Even if we had prevented 9/11 the recession would still have happened, abiet it might not have lasted as long or been as bad.





What "problem"...?

I guess the continued loss of thousands of positions in America to overseas locations is not seen as a "problem" as long as it helps the bottom line of corporations, right? Outsourcing is good for businesses...bad for their employees. Good qualified people lose their jobs everyday so a company can get someone in India to do it for 1/3 the price. It's just business right? Well why the hell not offer some sort of financial incentive that will keep a company here? Obviously, as long as management itself is comfortable, the level 1 employees don't matter at all do they? Who cares if they have to lose their job and settle for minimum wage or nothing at all, while their job goes overseas? It's just business. We can, and we should, be doing something to keep more jobs in america...and not just low paying jobs...GOOD jobs as well.






Perhaps because it's capitalism at its best Caballero, sorry to tell ya.

At the expense of our own citizens. Shouldn't there be a balance to keep american jobs in america while also embracing globalization?





....even when credit's due. Which is what makes you, and those that share such stance, the ultimate in persona non patriotica


Again, what has Bush done to help the economy?




that's a monotonous and tired soundbyte to use

What's your beef with other nations, Concordeboy?




You perpetually trumpet this as if it were some plaque on a wall... yet what's it worth?!


Friendship between nations has no value to you? How about cooperation in the war on terror. Wouldn't countries be more happy about helping us fiht terrorism if they had better relations with us?


Do the French hate us? Answer: who besides uberLiberals actually cares?
....do they still trade with us? -yes! ....are we still "allies"? -yes! ...is any of this all that different than before? -no!



Perhaps I care. Perhaps it matters to me that other nations and us are on good terms. I dont have a direct stake in it, but i sure would like to feel that we have the capacity to be friends to our neighbors across the pond, not just allies. Friends.


 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:26 am

Hmm.. if you want to bring the FED into it, then maybe the economy is only growing because the interest rates are at an ALL TIME LOW?
 
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And the interest rates are at an all-time low because ___________________?
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:31 am

Okay; You can´t bring a viable quote. Just windbagging again, obviously.  Insane
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:34 am

No, it's because you're from Germany. You don't matter, remember?  Insane
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:34 am

the FED set the rate so low. Or, because the FED set the rate to stimulate the economy by encouraging borrowing, casting doubt on the effectiveness of all of Bush's "stimuli," including the tax cuts! Take your pick. If you're going to say that the rate will be raised to stabilize the economy, you need to take into account the rate in the first place.

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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 6:36 am

Aloha717200: No, it's because you're from Germany. You don't matter, remember?

Oh, right! I forgot.  Laugh out loud
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:39 am

OK, what has he done to help the economy, directly, Concordeboy?

What's any President done directly to help the economy  Yeah sure His most recent stimulous package indeed was a (if not THE) primary catalyst for the economic growth of the past half year.

Countdown until the phrase "the Rich" is utilized: T-minus N seconds  Insane





Obviously, as long as management itself is comfortable, the level 1 employees don't matter at all do they?
Could probably sum it up a little more tidy with effort... but yeah, that's the general idea  Big thumbs up




Who cares if they have to lose their job and settle for minimum wage or nothing at all, while their job goes overseas? It's just business.

Crack open a local Newspaper... anyone will do. When the HelpWanted ads go missing, is when this'll become an actual issue.





What's your beef with other nations, Concordeboy?

Aside from France, none. I just dont place worth where it's not merited.





Friendship between nations has no value to you?

Nil




Perhaps it matters to me that other nations and us are on good terms. I dont have a direct stake in it

So then why do you care? I'm curious.





not just allies. Friends.

--for the sake/purpose/value/benefit of...................?
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:42 am

Klaus, as already iterated in reply #10.... I've already given you two articles each headlining Kerry's most commonly used UN quotes-- I'm putting no further effort into it. You want more, google yourself to bits.
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Finally.. Big grin

No, you simply haven´t presented anything to back up the tall claim you´ve made.

Kerry has simply announced to behave like any civilized person would. Nothing more, nothing less.

Nobody expects anything less from a new US government than making its case and defending its national interests. Just like anybody else.

Not trying to bully, threaten or insult everybody else at the table might actually serve your interests better than what we´ve seen so far. Just in case you still can´t see the obvious, that is.  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:54 am

you simply haven´t presented anything to back up the tall claim you´ve made

...I can only lead you to water  Insane





Not trying to bully, threaten or insult everybody else at the table

Enlighten me (with specific examples please), whom outside the "Axis of Evil" have we bullied?

...threatened? (I'd say a lot more of that should have been done, but that's just me)

......insulted? ( Innocent)
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Wed May 19, 2004 6:57 am

Perhaps you should relay that tidbit to Greenspan, who for whatever reason seems to think that the economy is growing so swiftly that rates might have to be raised in order to ensure its stability....

WTF does Greenspan care.. he's loaded and about to die..! He's not doing anything that his 10 assistants can't do (who probably are doing all the foot work and suggesting exactly how much to tweak the rate). Greenspan was before Clinton and Bush I.. so what?

And to make matter worse.. I personally don't considering returning back to where you started.. and improvement.. you're just back at square ONE! I myself and done every well personally (because my good fortune started under Clinton) but Way too many people have lost WAY too much under this haphazard administration.. it's long overdue for a change.. and anyone and I mean ANYONE will do unless their names ends in Bush!


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Wed May 19, 2004 6:59 am

What's any President done directly to help the economy His most recent stimulous package indeed was a (if not THE) primary catalyst for the economic growth of the past half year.

You contradicted yourself. First you say no president has ever done anything to help the economy, then you say Bush's stimulus package is directly responsible for the economic recovery.

Nevertheless, tell me when this last stimulus package came out and what it contained. There are many forces are work trying to help the economy recover. Is Bush himself directly responsible for them?



Could probably sum it up a little more tidy with effort... but yeah, that's the general idea

Then that's the problem. Management is comfortable while the low level employees are seeing their livelihoods, their pay, their comfort of living, disappear. We can change this you know, if we give companies more reason to keep their job force here rather than overseas. It's all about money. If they can save more money by staying here, they will. The benefit is that more jobs with decent wages stay in america which means more tax revenue generated from said employees which is good for the country as a whole, ith more revenue for citizens and government, the government can fund currently underfunded programs like No Child Left Behind, while higher wages contribute to a direct return on the economy through spending. At least, that's how I understand it.




Crack open a local Newspaper... anyone will do. When the HelpWanted ads go missing, is when this'll become an actual issue.

When IT jobs disappear and are replaced with positions at Mcdonalds, is that really an economic plus?





Perhaps it matters to me that other nations and us are on good terms. I dont have a direct stake in it

So then why do you care? I'm curious.


--for the sake/purpose/value/benefit of...................?



This is your attempt to shoot me down. To you, other countries are only valuable in a trade/military sense. Anything beyond that is unnecessary. I ask you, who made America the only nation in the world that matters? Do friendships within the USA among communities, states, neighborhoods, matter? Yes. Because those who are friends on a political level have a vested interest in helping each other on all levels. If we are on good terms with France, for instance, or Germany, those countries are more apt to help us when we need help abroad because as friends, not just allies, they have a vested interest in us as we do in them.

I can't explain it in a way that will please you. Your goal here is to make me look like an idealist and that pursuing good relations with foriegn countries is simply a waste of time. Hey, why befriend them, when instead you could just assert your superiority and bend them to your will out of brute force rather than extended hand?


Concordeboy your low appreciation of international friendship reminds me of the Soviet Union. But then again, do does the current administration of the United States.
 
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ConcordeBoy: ...I can only lead you to water

No, it appears your well is dry. There is no evidence whatsoever that John Kerry intended to "crawl" to the UN in order to let "them" (you´re actually part of "them", by the way) "decide" about US policy. He never said something to that effect, he would (or could!) never do it and everybody in the world yould be absolutely dumbfounded if he did! Big grin


ConcordeBoy: Enlighten me (with specific examples please), whom outside the "Axis of Evil" have we bullied?

Let´s see...

How about threatening the Netherlands with a military invasion should american citizens ever be indicted at the International Criminal Court?

How about "You´re either with us or against us" as a thinly veiled threat to every nation that wouldn´t subject itself to the will of the Bush administration?

How about threats to withdraw support and/or trade advantages from countries which steadfastly refused to agree to the illegal Iraq invasion?

The same tactic was attempted to sabotage the Kyoto treaty.

And there´s a lot more... This kind of conduct has actually become the primary modus operandi of the Bush administration; Small wonder - after alienating everybody, you just can´t draw on sympathy as much as you once have been able to.  Sad


ConcordeBoy: ......insulted? ( )

"Old Europe", anyone? "Insignificant"? "Cowards"? "Appeasement"?


None of that might matter to you, but I´m pretty sure that you´d run into major trouble if you tried to act towards your own family the way the Bush administration has acted towards their own friends and allies.
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 7:39 am

And there´s a lot more...

"Germany* is no longer committed to world peace." (Rice)




* 2nd largest contributor to peace keeping missions on behalf of the United Nations with - at that time - more than 9,000 soldiers deployed.
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Wed May 19, 2004 7:43 am

NoUFO: "Germany* is no longer committed to world peace." (Rice)

Neat! I didn´t even know about that one!  Wink/being sarcastic
It´s difficult to keep track of all the nonsense, for sheer volume...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 10:11 am

How about threats to withdraw support and/or trade advantages from countries which steadfastly refused to agree to the illegal Iraq invasion?

Aside from being perfectly within the USA's right to do so.... um, "illegal" invasion?

...do tell, what part of it was illegal?



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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 11:04 am

There seems to be an assumption that the only reason US jobs are being shipped overseas is because the labor costs are lower. This is simply untrue. There are large tax incentives to ship labor and capital overseas. The big one being that if you make a profit out of the county (ex. the factory in India) you do not pay taxes until you bring the money back into the United States, thereby delaying your tax bill, accruing interest and having access to the capital for a longer period of time. It is not "simply capitalism" it is a taxation structure created to benefit large corporations who ship labor overseas.
 
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Wed May 19, 2004 11:34 am

That will be ended under John Kerry. Instead, corporations would recieve tax incentives for keeping jobs here, in America.
 
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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Wed May 19, 2004 11:55 am

With Concordeboy's luv for Bush.. along with MD90's passion for the guy these two .. could wind up in Boston by the weekend!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


But make sure you two leave by the DNC convention or that could ruin the honeymoon!

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Wed May 19, 2004 12:03 pm

"That will be ended under John Kerry. Instead, corporations would recieve tax incentives for keeping jobs here, in America."

Please do tell me how he can do this....
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Wed May 19, 2004 4:36 pm

Who cares what he does? He can't do any worse that the butt clown already warming the seat!

All Kerry has to do is take the oath, close the door and come out 4 years later and from day 1, the nation will be 100% better off than it has been for the last 3.5 years!

We'd have a prez who can articulate.
We'd have a prez who can think.
We'd have a prez who can articulate thought.
We'd have a prez who doesn't run, duck and hide or need anyone to hold his hand when catching flak.
And one who won't go off starting global shit under false pretenses and dragging us behind in the process!

Oh and Greenspan's a assistants can keep rolling the dice to decide what the Fed should do....



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RE: Letter To Senator Kerry

Thu May 20, 2004 12:04 am

With Concordeboy's luv for Bush

Luv for Bush??

Nah, Bush's had a lot of screwups and as of late hasn't exactly shown what could be considered "stellar leadership"

Thing is however, I'm the polar opposite of the vast [apparent] majority of Kerry's supporters-- anyone but that guy. I might have supported Lieberman had he gotten the nomination, despite the fact that he wouldnt have a snowball's chance of actually winning.
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