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Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:07 pm

Although he did antagonize the senator. But flipping someone off in front of schoolchildren? Does Kerry have no class?

http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, “Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here.”

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, “Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam.”

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly ‘flashed the bird’ at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, “Sampley is a felon!”

 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:13 pm

This story has been circulating the web for a few days with no proof whatsoever. School groups don't visit memorials on holidays... especially 8 year olds.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:14 pm

Littlegreenfootballs.com??  Yeah sure

Don't think everyone in Vietnam was totally innocent. At least Kerry did his duty unlike a certain SOMEONE....
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:14 pm

Sounds reasonable to me... The guy denounced his patriotism and his roll in the war which he served no more and no less honorably than Mr. Sampley.

If I were being denounced for whatever reason, I'd give the man the bird as well...

School children will find out if they still haven't - you can't stop them from learning bad words and bad situations that happen, so don't even pull the censorship lever.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:15 pm

At least we know this story WON'T involve George Bush.

This guy was lucky just to get the finger, I'd have kicked the old prick in the nuts.

That place is public property, who is he to decide who goes there and who doesn't ?
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:15 pm

It was on the internet....of course it's true.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:18 pm

When this is reported by a reliable news source - with photos - I'll believe it.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:25 pm

When this is reported by a reliable news source - with photos - I'll believe it.

You know, it's funny. Why do I get the sense that you and other hardcore liberals on here would have no trouble believing a story like this if it was Bush and not Kerry? Without even looking at the source you would bash him to no extent. Funny how you guys show your double standard so well.


As for the story, if it is true, Kerry should not have done that. He should've handled the situation like a mature man, not flip him off, especially in front of kids.



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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:32 pm

I seriously doubt this is true:

“Sampley is a felon!”


Oh come on! You really expect me to believe that John Kerry said that? That's like something a kid would say. I don't believe it for a minute.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 1:38 pm

LMAO... something bashing Kerry and you can't even find it on Foxnews. Hmm...
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:01 pm

Perhaps Fox isn't as biased as you enjoy accusing it of being, WellHung?

CNN, naturally wouldn't mention such an incidient, but newsmax.com has no such scruples.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/31/225546.shtml
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:05 pm

I mentioned it another thread a couple of days ago.

Liberals hate Newsmax, but often they will report where Tom and Dan dare not tread.

It is also noted that Mr. Stampley is the person behind the Web-site Http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com. To me that fact makes the story more likely, rather then being just a unknown vet with that shirt on. Stampley has become a major thorn in Kerry's side.

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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:06 pm

Even has a hardcore liberal, i would not believe the story even if Bush's name was where Kerry's is. Bush would probably just say

"ummm well i respect your opinion and umm i ughh you can think whatever you want to thin kbut the american people will show what they think in umm novembler (intentionally spelled in correctly)"

The sitting president would not be caught flipping the bird unless it was in jest.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:06 pm

"At least Kerry did his duty unlike a certain SOMEONE....

Does that mean Mr. John Muzic will be "joining up" to do HIS DUTY? Or will there be some witty remark as to why he won't?

Tell us John, are you going to?


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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:08 pm

If there was any possibility that this was true, Hannity would be sucking that guy's cock so fast for the story - and you know it.

So since Fox isn't biased for not reporting this, you're saying that any outlet that reports this is biased? Well done.

I think this is going to turn into one of those where the accusations are repeated until other news sources are forced to report the accusations...
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:08 pm

LOL* At MD-90

Yeah!! THose guys at Newsmax are really great. They look really reliable. Just look at their homepage. I't looks like the work of some school kid..

But of course you believe it. They are bashing Kerry  Insane
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:12 pm

QIguy24, I don't know where you get THAT idea.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:17 pm

But of course you believe it. They are bashing Kerry

Like you're in a position to say something like that olguy. You'd believe ANYTHING that would bash Bush.

I know you're gonna try to snap back and call me a hardcore conservative who'd believe anything bashing Kerry, but I certainly question the validity of this incident.



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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:22 pm

Listen NWA742,

No I don't believe everything the press writes about Bush. I can see what that man does to this world. And that is not good.
Of course you will now say that he liberated the Iraqis. And I will say yes of course he did. Look how many Iraqis that are being blown up down in Iraq. I wouldn't exactly call that liberating people. These poor people live in fear all the damn time.

I don't want Bush for President, I don't want Kerry for president either. But If I could choose between these 2 guys I definitly choose Kerry.
I wan't McCain as president but that will never happen unfortunatly.

And I find it very funny as well that when there is something bad about Kerry you conservatives blow it up big time here. But when there is something about Bush you defend that guy. It goes both ways...

Edit: And why aren't I in the position to say something like that? Don't you think we follow the US politics outside the US or what? It affects us as much as it affects you every time you choose a new president. So cut the crap will you....

[Edited 2004-06-04 07:34:47]
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:38 pm

No I don't believe everything the press writes about Bush. I can see what that man does to this world. And that is not good.

Well, that's only your opinon. A lot of people agree with you, and a lot don't agree with you.

Look how many Iraqis that are being blown up down in Iraq. I wouldn't exactly call that liberating people.

And how is that Bush's fault, rather than the small groups of terrorists/Saddam loyalists? We suceeded very well in defeating Saddam's armies, but all the little groups of terrorists has given us a challenge that nobody couldv'e expected nor predicted.

These poor people live in fear all the damn time.

Yeah, I'm sure they were much more fearless under Saddam.

I don't want Bush for President, I don't want Kerry for president either. But If I could choose between these 2 guys I definitly choose Kerry.

Good for you. I think that's a mistake that many people are going to make. As a conservative, I admit that Bush has made many mistakes. But, MARK MY WORDS: if Kerry is elected, he will NOT be able to make things any better. The guy is clueless, he doesn't stick to his beliefs, he changes his "views" in whatever respect to get more votes. Screw him.

And I find it very funny as well that when there is something bad about Kerry you conservatives blow it up big time here.

I'm a conservative and you don't see me doing that, now do you? I don't see anyone else blowing up over it either. Besides, the ratio of Kerry/Clinton bashing from conservatives to Bush bashing from liberals is about 1:30 on airliners.net, so don't even go there.



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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:48 pm

And how is that Bush's fault, rather than the small groups of terrorists/Saddam loyalists? We suceeded very well in defeating Saddam's armies, but all the little groups of terrorists has given us a challenge that nobody couldv'e expected nor predicted.

Yes I agree they suceeded to defend SOME of Saddams military. BUT:
They should have a plane for after they removed Saddam. But i't sure looks like they didn't. Things are ony getting worse down there.

Yeah, I'm sure they were much more fearless under Saddam

I didn't say they were. But Bush keeps telling the whole world that the Iraqis are happy people now. That is my problem with this.

if Kerry is elected, he will NOT be able to make things any better. The guy is clueless, he doesn't stick to his beliefs, he changes his "views" in whatever respect to get more votes. Screw him.

And I find it very funny as well that when there is something bad about Kerry you conservatives blow it up big time here.

Ok I'm sorry that I put you as one of those conservatives. You are right. I haven't seen you bash like some of the other conservatives in here.
But there are both liberals and conservatives in here who just bash for the fun of it.

I don't know that and neither do you. We haven't even seen him in the white house yet. So we don't know what that Jerry can do to help the USA and the rest of the world. And hopefully he listens to the rest of the world. So far Bush hasn't done that yet. And it has been 4 years.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:00 pm

Yes I agree they suceeded to defend SOME of Saddams military.

No, it was pretty much all of his military.

But Bush keeps telling the whole world that the Iraqis are happy people now. That is my problem with this.

Actually, Bush has been saying that they have been liberated from Saddam's evil regime, and that is true. I don't recall him saying anything about making them happier, but now they don't have to live under him.

Ok I'm sorry that I put you as one of those conservatives. You are right. I haven't seen you bash like some of the other conservatives in here.

Apologies accepted.

But there are both liberals and conservatives in here who just bash for the fun of it.

Oh of course there are. It goes on every single day in the Non-Av forum. Doesn't it just piss you off, regardless of what side you're on? It does me, I hate it when a bunch of hard lefties feel they have to make it their life's goal to bash Bush, and the same goes for some on the right. It really makes this Non-Av board look ridiculous.

I don't know that and neither do you.

Nobody can be sure, but I would bet you anything that I'm right. Looking at that guys history........he's not gonna do anything good.

And hopefully he listens to the rest of the world.

In OUR OWN country's politics and government, why do we always have to be politically correct with the rest of the world? Does the rest of the world feel the need to ask us permission for shit that they do? It goes both ways. I like Bush's plan of not letting our political self interest keep us from doing what we know to be morally right. I support that 100%.



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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:13 pm

In OUR OWN country's politics and government, why do we always have to be politically correct with the rest of the world? Does the rest of the world feel the need to ask us permission for shit that they do? It goes both ways. I like Bush's plan of not letting our political self interest keep us from doing what we know to be morally right. I support that 100%.

I didn't mean your domestic politics. I mean international politics like going in to war and so on.

Nobody can be sure, but I would bet you anything that I'm right. Looking at that guys history........he's not gonna do anything good.

Hmmmm.... Bush' history isn't exactly the best either. I think Kerry has a small advantage here  Big grin

Actually, Bush has been saying that they have been liberated from Saddam's evil regime, and that is true. I don't recall him saying anything about making them happier, but now they don't have to live under him.

He has said that a several times when he has been interviewed. But I can't but a link to that because I cant find any of his speeches.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:19 pm

I mean international politics like going in to war and so on.

Yeah I am as well.

Hmmmm.... Bush' history isn't exactly the best either. I think Kerry has a small advantage here

I really don't see how that is, could you elaborate?

He has said that a several times when he has been interviewed. But I can't but a link to that because I cant find any of his speeches.

Really? I never knew he said that the Iraqi people were happier, just liberated. Well, I think they should be happier not to live under a satanic weasel like Saddam in the first place  Smile




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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:32 pm

Right, and you expect me to take this source seriously? I say try again.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:40 pm

Kerry should have cracked him across the jaw before giving him the bird!


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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:42 pm

I really don't see how that is, could you elaborate?

Wasn't there something about getting arrested for drug crimes and being an alcoholic?  Big grin

And about the international politics, I think the US government should listen more to what the rest of the world has to say. The US went to war because of WMD. The UN wanted to some more search for the WMD's. But the US government didn't have time to wait. And look what happened. They didn't find the WMD's they started the war because of.

And I'm happy that they got rid of Saddam. And I'm happy for the Iraqi people even though they don't live in peace yet. But that wasn't the reason the US went to war. But as the war has turned out the US government seems to forget about the WMD's and totally concentrates on liberating the Iraqi people.

But unfortunatly the war in Iraq has breed more terrorists then never before. And that has resulted in terrorists attacks in Spain. And there will probably be more to come.
That is why I want the Us government to listen more to the rest of the world before more things like this happens to us...
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:43 pm

Now that I would have liked to see.

Probably would have been somthing simular to that Richard Simmons airport assault.

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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:03 pm

I personally don't read newsmax.com. But y'all asked who broke the story, so I looked, and apparently they did.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:09 pm

Looks like the "Sampley is a felon!" line was blogger added untruth.

Newsmax has a follow-up story here http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/2/160537.shtml (with thanks to Edward for pointing that out)

Former Green Beret Ted Sampley, who confronted Sen. John Kerry at Washington, D.C.'s Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall on Monday, said today that photographers were in the vicinity and may have captured Kerry "flipping the bird" to him.

"There were some cameras," Sampley told WTN-Nashville radio host Steve Gill. "A reporter came up to me and asked me my name."

"I assume it was a reporter. It may have been somebody from the Kerry campaign," added Sampley, who heads up the group Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.


and

After flipping the bird Kerry ended the confrontation with a terse "See ya, Ted" - to which Sampley replied, "See ya, John."


Ed also says that this incident is true, and that Newsmax, while conservative, is as credible as any paper (and probably more so than the NY Times...sorry, couldn't resist - Cliff). He also notes that Newsmax has rivals the National Review and Roll Call in size.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:14 pm

MD-90,

Still a lot of words and still no picture.......
When is that picture coming? Big grin
Personally I'm looking forward to see that picture..

[Edited 2004-06-04 10:17:19]
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:09 am


Oh no! John Kerry would never give the finger to a Vietnam Vet, his "Band of Brothers", afterall, John Kerry is a war hero.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:59 am

Yeah!! THose guys at Newsmax are really great. They look really reliable. Just look at their homepage. I't looks like the work of some school kid..


The magazine is a conservative fishwrapper to say the least. If it isn't Bush or one of his Cabinet members on the cover, it's either Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly. I would not be surprised if News Corp has some kind of stake in this magazine.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 10:07 am

QIguy24, don't hold your breath. If one of Kerry's supporters (the people who were around him at the time) took a picture, do you think they'd release it? I doubt it.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:42 am

Well, I was planning to go to USAFA.

Other than that, even if I wasn't going to go there, I can say that. Just because Bush was a big pussy about the whole war thing, doesn't mean I have no right to say anything about it.
 
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Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:50 pm

" ... You know, it's funny. Why do I get the sense that you and other hardcore liberals on here would have no trouble believing a story like this if it was Bush and not Kerry? ... "

NWA742 - First of all, if it makes you feel good to call me a 'hard core liberal', go right ahead. Although I wouldn't describe myself as such, I don't mind the description - even if it comes from you. But when you try to portray me as unfair - you are just wrong.

Secondly, I have NEVER posted an article about the Bush administration (et al) without it coming from Reuters, AP, CNN, FOX, CBS, etc.

The post at the beginning of this thread came from someone's BLOG! There are plenty of anti-Kerry articles in the mainstream media that MD-90 could use to try to make his point. But to have to resort to using someone's online diary is just plain WEAK.

Check the facts . . . my previous posts are easily researched.

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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:02 pm

But to have to resort to using someone's online diary is just plain WEAK.

Well, let's see, there's that liberal bias thing at Reuters, CNN, CBS, and the AP, you know. I actually am surprised that Hannity didn't have it on his TV show, though.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 1:13 pm

Thanks, dude. You just proved my point.
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:26 pm

"Well, I was planning to go to USAFA."

What is your status? Did they accept you? Planning to attend and actually attending any of the academies are two very different things. If they did accept you, and you turn it down, I would think your crazy. If they turn you down, are you going to persue any other positions in any of the services?

Your absolutely right John about your right to say what you did. But if your going to cry "foul" when somebody does serve to any degree, and you don't, that is being pretty hypocritical in my book. If you don't want to go, don't. But don't criticize anyone for serving in the Guard if your not willing to.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:32 pm

First of all, if it makes you feel good to call me a 'hard core liberal', go right ahead. Although I wouldn't describe myself as such, I don't mind the description - even if it comes from you.

Well, since you felt the need to personally respond to the term "harcore liberals", why are you going to deny that you are one? What would you describe yourself as? All I've seen from you is the same from any other hard lefty on here.

But when you try to portray me as unfair - you are just wrong.

You just proved my point. I never directed my statements to any single person, just to the harcore liberals, and you felt that it was directed to you. And what was that again, you WOULDN'T describe yourself as a hardcore liberal?  Insane

Secondly, I have NEVER posted an article about the Bush administration (et al) without it coming from Reuters, AP, CNN, FOX, CBS, etc.

Good for you. My point was that you and other hardcore liberals on here will stop at nothing to immediatly jump to bashing Bush no matter what the topic is, what the source is, or anything else. The bashing comes first with you guys. But when something's about one of your own, you will of course check the source and analyze it before jumping to a response. My point was that you guys show a big double standard, and it's just funny.



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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:33 pm

Unfortunatly, Fat Limbaugh was on the radio at work and of course he was talking about it.
He is a pretty fair guy with no agenda that I know of, so why should he lie about it? He usually presents all the facts and both sides to a story.  Insane

The thing I don't understand is this. Kerry served in the war. In my mind that gives him all the more right to protest it. At least he went. And he wasn't a damn cheerleader.

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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:40 pm

I FOUND IT!!! PROOF!!!

After I was done beating off to his photo gallery, I found this pic on Hannity's website. Clear proof that John F'in Kerry hates America, veterans, memorials, good haircuts, sunshine, tshirts and schoolchildren.



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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:48 pm

You're right, I haven't been accepted yet, it's too early. I will get accepted, because I'll pass that physical aptitude test above average, as I have done the activities before hand. My grades are more than good enough to get in, so I think my chances of getting in are pretty good. If not, then I will just try to go into the Air Force.
 
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RE: Ouch, Kerry Gives A Vietnam Vet The Bird

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:56 am

I'll tell you some of the funniest thing about Newsmax is their hysterical anti-Hillary screeds (I'm no fan of her, but the 'Hillary, she wolf of the SS' bit goes a bit silly.) They blame her for just about everything.

And the ads, they are priceless as they are of course directed to the audience, like this gem.
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