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Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 9:37 pm

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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 10:00 pm

Certainly, quite recently the HMS Nottingham ran aground and although it was going at a very slow speed, it was out of action for many months and had significant damage - running into the millions of pounds.

Not pretty, and of course the sea around Alaska is upon the "Ring of Fire" is it not? New rocks are formed regularly by escaping magma, making charting them harder?

Or am I making that up :P
 
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 10:06 pm

Nope, no plate techtonic action there.

Skipper and First mate missed a turn, they are on suspension until the USCG finishes their investigation. Needless to say they might not be working for the Ferry system much longer.

The area in southeast Alaska they ran it up in is known as Peril Straight and is pretty narrow with lots of reefs, still they where in a pretty wide part.

BTW, estimated repairs are going to run about 3.5 million dollars and the ship isn't going to be back in service until September.

The Alaska Marine Highway system is also having problems with their new fast ferry Fairweather, which is supposed to enter service this month. Apparently the impellor system is getting into the nasty habit of sucking up floating trees and getting them lodged in the intake ducts.

Happened twice so far.

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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:14 pm

I never heard of the AMHS, until today. Sounds like a great trip to take some day, somewhat similar to Hurtigruten... ahhh, so many places to go, so little money to spend!  Sad
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:22 pm

That is what we call public transportation here Algoes.

Ridden them more then a few times, the Leconte included.

You can either run up the inside passage or take the Tustumena aka the "DRANAMINE EXPRESS" down southwest Alaska.
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:36 pm

L-188, I figure that form of public transportation is more spectacular than Germany's railway system! Any chances to see whales from the ships? And how are they intended, as a pure means of transportation or also as a kind of "cruise ship"? That's what the Hurtigruten ships basically are; scheduled ferries with a cruise ship atmosphere - but without the malls, spas etc.

Is there any way to book a Bellingham-Dutch Harbor voyage? I've lurked around the AMHS homepage trying to find a segmented trip just for kicks, and it definitely could be easier.

The first I found was Bellington-Juneau-Cordova-Homer-Dutch Harbor. I dream of flying to SEA, doing that AMHS trip and then returning to SEA (from DUT) on Alaska Airlines. However, there's no way that could become a reality in the foreseeable future!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:42 pm

Most damages from groundings is not from the initial strike with the ocean floor or obstacles---it's from the inability to move the vessle off immediately--making it constantly collide with each movement.

Double hulls are a nice things! Coastal groundings in that area are particularly bad due to the rocky nature. Groundings in the Suez or other sandy bottom areas are just a matter of waiting for tidal changes, releasing and inspecting the hull.

Interesting anecdote. Once client we presented hit a sandbar in the Suez with his 150,000dwt tanker (not huge by tanker stats)---unfortunately he swung sideways--effectively blocking the shipping lane. While there appears to be plenty of room on either side of the vessel to navigate, the company was respsonsible for the delay of 11 other ships making way---each charging about my client about $45,0000/day for this delay (it's not technically demurrage, but you get the idea).
 
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Sun Jun 06, 2004 11:46 pm

Pretty much strict transport.

For example when they where running the Bartlett in Prince William sound (They sold that ship off on E-bay last year) they used to make a pass by Colombia Glacier. Some of the tour operators threatened to sue, claiming that it was cutting in on their buisness, so the state stopped doing that.

There use to be really two systems the Southeast, which ran up from Washington to Skagway and Haines, and the Southwest which was the Tustumena and Bartlet working Southwest Alaska and Prince William Sound. Now the have the Kennicott in service I know they do some cross-gulf work, but I think those trips are somewhat rare. Usually if you wanted to go down to Dutch you would pick up the Tustumena in Homer or Seward.


And don't knock the Bundesrail. You get in the south there and these is some great country there. Some of which I will admit did remind me of home and make me homesick.
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:15 am

Have oil tankers exceeded 1 million tons yet?

You hear about boats getting stuck in the mud on the Mississippi River occasionally. Sometimes the river has to be dredged to free them.


Some day, not soon, but some day I'm going to go up around Vancouver and kayak in the Johnstone Straight. Orcas are especially numerous there in late summer.
 
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Mon Jun 07, 2004 8:57 am

A million tonnes????? I hope not..that's one hell of a spill.

The Jahre Viking--formely something like the Seawise Giant--is still the largest at roughly 567K tonnes.

She's about 1,500+ ft long and 225+ feet wide.
 
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RE: Why You Don't Want To Run A Boat Up On Rocks

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:00 am

Actually if anything the tankers that are being built today are smaller not bigger.
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