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Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:26 am

Say you are a dyed in the wool liberal. Are there ideas or opinions of Conservatives you say, hey that is actually a good idea? Say you think Dubya is God, are there ideas from a Deaniac that make you say, "Hey, that's not a bad idea."


I'm somewhat left-of center, but I am pro second amendment and I cringe and retch when I see the million mom march. I'm not saying there should be zero regulation (it does say well-regulated militia) but one of the reasons for the second amendment is that the government couldn't very easily set up a dictatorship - no,really!!

I also agree with de-funding the National Endowment for the Arts, not for the reasons conservatives have. There's very little art that I find offensive, but fundies in Utah shouldn't have to pay for art they find offensive any more than I should have to subsidize the making of the Mormon Tabernacle choir's greatest hits.

3 strikes laws for violent felons. Not for deterrence, since I think for hard core criminals, they are so screwed up they can't even think in terms of deterrence, but if all criminologists say that a very small percentage of criminals commit a very large amount of crime, then it is logical for society to protect themselves from these people who will never reform (indeed, they may be brain-damaged such that they cannot reform)
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:33 am

The left is definitely right that we need to solve outsourcing now.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:40 am

As sad as it is to say, the democratic party has shown itself to be the party of fiscal responsibility (versus the GOP).

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 9:50 am

Oh my God...looking for reason? I'll check back tomorrow to see if this stays civil, or if the dogs of war set themselves loose on this thread.

I think that the conservatives are correct in identifying an unborn child as a life that deserves protection.

I think that the liberals are correct in saying we better figure out a way to make health care affordable before we become seasoned citizens ourselves.

I believe that the war on terror must be prosecuted, and if you are too weak willed to see it through when it gets rough, then you will suffer the consequences when the fight comes back to our homes.

I believe that the business community in the US had better get its act straight ethically, and remember that doing things crooked will hurt everybody.

CHew that up for a while.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:07 am

Well I consider myself moderate, although slightly left, so let me go through what I agree with.

Placing restrictions on abortion (though I don't believe it should be banned) so that it can't merely be used as "month after contraception." I'm in favor of a partial-birth abortion ban.

Changing the welfare system into more of a workfare system (as current Health & Human Services Secretary Thompson did when he was governor of Wisconsin)

Strong national defense

The Second Amendment (although again, I lean slightly left in that I feel the assault weapons ban is a good idea.)

Capital punishment. Quite simply, I see some crimes as being so atrocious and so sickening that the criminal deserves to be put to death. Working in the US Attorney's Office here, I see cases every now and then that make me want to run to the bathroom and retch. Tim McVeigh, for instance, deserved what he got, IMHO.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:34 am

I agree with the part of No Child Left Behind that schools need focus their efforts on improving educational outcomes for groups that traditionally have lagged academically.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:39 am

Here's one area I definately agree with Republicans:

I am totally against striker replacement laws. Hey, you don't want to work? The company has every right to go find people that will.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:44 am

I am a moderate conservative, but:

Gay marriage - I really have no problem with this. I don't see how it can personally affect me, and I don't beleive that it would send America's morals down the tube (although some would argue that that is where we already are, that is for another debate). If two people really love each other, so be it. There should not be an amendment to the Constitution to prohibit it. And there definitly should not be anything like a 'marriage lite." If that were to be created, then it would have to be for all people as well.

I am more moderate on social issues than I am on fiscal issues, which I am more conservative about.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:46 am

As a Center-Left person, here are a few Conservative positions I agree with:

-Ban on Partial Birth Abortion
-Eventually getting rid of most forms of welfare
-Reform against frivilous lawsuits
-Expansion of the U.S. Armed Forces-

I'm sure I can think of a few more.  Smile
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:17 am

I'm in mid field left here, but I also agree that we need to expand the US armed forces.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:50 am

I agree with the right that frivolous lawsuits need to stop. Is it really McDonalds' fault that you got fat while eating there 6 times a day for 6 months? Can I really sue my doctor for "amazing amounts of traumatization and pain" when I can't even prove it, and besides, knowing that a shot hurts in the first place?

However, when xxx corporation screws you out of your life's savings, you should be able to file a lawsuit against them and legal action should take place against xxx corporation.

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:44 pm

There is not a single idea or position of the republicans that I agree with. If they come up with something I might agree with, I'll be against it because they came up with it.... In a nut shell ... They are evil.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:49 pm

I am a moderate but I agree with the right on the following:

Against affirmative action
Limits on Welfare

I agree with the left on environmental issues
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:17 pm

This is a really good topic in that it makes people think. People could probably come to more of a consensus about things if they were thought out more, and seen from different points of view. Without all the name-calling and hysterics more of us would realize that there is some common ground to have civil discussions on. (Not that the heated arguments aren’t fun as well.)

For instance, I am pretty liberal and passive, but after 9/11 I was really happy when we attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan. I wanted our guys to get that smug son of a bitch Bin Laden and the people who were hiding him real good. America has a right to defend herself, and retaliate, when attacked. I was actually telling people that I planned to vote for Bush. I really supported that war, but then things changed. Suddenly and inexplicably Bin Laden was replaced with Saddam Hussein as our #1 enemy, and you never really heard more about it. And it really pissed me off when I was branded by some (mostly AA pilots) as an anti-American peacenik (or worse: told that I didn’t support the troops) because I didn’t follow blindly along.

I also agree with the majority of conservatives who feel that the government needs to act responsibly with the countries finances. That's why I'm totally baffled as to why so many of them cheerfully support the Bush administrations "spend now pay later" policies. If we truly support the Iraq war and feel its the right thing to do we should raise taxes and pay for it now, rather than running up a huge debt and leaving it for someone else to pay for (with interest) later. God forbid we should sacrifice something for the war effort.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 2:36 pm

I'm right-wing fiscally and politically, but left-wing socially.

I believe in balanced budgets and a hawkish foreign policy, but I also support abortion, gay marriage, banning guns, education.

I have taken great pride in dating several hard left women and "turning" them into right wing fiscal hawks through the sheer power of my personality and other persuasive abilities.

Seriously, a good argument with someone of the opposite political ilk often gives me a new perspective whether i admit it or not.
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:03 pm

Most people here are in favor of expanding the armed forces, although it has become clear that they aren't always used effectively, so I think that there should be NO standing army. Yes that's right, and here's why:

We have the National Guard, we have the Reserves. Why do we keep active duty in peacetime? The Reserves are all there in case a threat should arise, and the National Guard is there to protect our nation's borders. If we concentrate more on defending our borders from attack, instead of going out to attack, I think we would be better off, because we wouldn't be spending nearly as much as we are now on military expenses, and then the second amendment comes more into play: The Right to Bear arms and to organise well-regulated militia of the people. What I interpret that is to mean that yes, we all should have the right to own guns, and to form our own militia for the common defense of the people. That doesn't mean that vigilante groups go around doing their own bidding, but that a group of citizens having the right to policing themselves, NO POLICE FORCE, With the national guard as a fall-back when things get out of hand.

Cutting out the police force and the standing army would greatly reduce the overall budget, but leaving the reserves and the national guard in place to provide the defense and insure domestic tranquility.

I don't know, aside from my firm belief in the second amendment, I am pretty left, I guess.

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:28 pm

I consider myself fairly conservative but I go back and forth between identifying myself as a Republican and as a libertarian. I'm very far right on economic issues, but am moderate to liberal on some social issues. Some things I might agree with the Dems on:

- I don't support abortion as a Constitutional right or as a moral necessity. I wouldn't mind seeing Roe v. Wade revised to permit tighter restrictions (e.g. a ban on all abortions after the first trimester). I think outlawing abortion completely would only drive it underground. The Republican Party's refusal to consider sexual education in schools contributes to the problem; abstinence is the best of many alternatives and will not reach every student.

- I support government-sanctioned gay civil unions (with individual religious groups deciding for themselves on the "marriage" issue).

- I'm somewhat concerned by the close association between the Republican Party and fundamentalist Christian organizations. I have nothing against conservative Christians, but I would rather see the two agendas kept separate. Small government means hands off on religious issues.

- I think Republicans tend to undervalue environmental issues, although I also think some liberals go way too far in wanting to lock up every square inch of the country from development and over-regulating/mis-regulating existing industries. A common-sense energy policy (one not written by Exxon or the Sierra Club) would be very welcome.

- I don't support hard drug legalization or the total abolition of public education, as many libertarians do, although I think some school voucher programs and performance standards are fine. I go back and forth on marijuana legalization.

- The Republicans have engaged in a spending orgy and the budget deficits are going out of control. However, the Dems have no realistic plans to reverse the trend other than raising taxes (and then spending those savings on their pet programs), which I vehemently oppose. Hopefully, as the economy grows, the deficits will begin to close themselves; there are indications this is already happening.

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:09 pm

I agree with the right that gun control should be lessened. If someone breaks into my house, and I dont have anything to defend myself with, Im up shit creek without a paddle. If I have a gun, now thats a different story.

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree

Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:57 pm

As I like to say, even Adolf Hitler said a few very right things.

Once, he said "I'll have some red wine with my cheese !"

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:04 pm

...depends on what kind of cheese as some call for white wine instead.

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:16 pm

i can't think of a single current Democrapic idea that I agree with...much of what they feel is correct, we do also...just that we don't make as big a deal of it or that the govt shouldn't have to do it all...ie: they think we want to ruin the environment...wrong! We have to live here also and don't want to live in a hazardous location/environment. Just that we see need for some development for progress...
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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:00 pm

Is stem-cell research considered a liberal position? If so, as a Republican, I am all for funding stem-cell research and I wish Bush would remove those restrictions.

Also, I tend to side with the liberals on some environmental issues...

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RE: Idea Of The Opposite Political Side You Agree With

Tue Jun 08, 2004 10:07 pm

You could definately call me conservative, but this is what I believe in that's left:

Ban on death penalty
We need to pass new environmental laws
We need to stop outsourcing (how is a different matter)
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