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Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 6:56 pm

Wine, not whin....... LOL!  Smile

I would say FRANCE for TOP ones like Chateau Lafite, Chateau Latour, Petrus etc. Very expensive though.

For ordinary/good wines, I like ITALIAN, AMERICAN and SOUTH AFRICAN red wine. Australian is not bad too. Also New Zealand. You?

I like Carbernet Sauvignon and Merlot. Also Shiraz and Pinor Nior.

Marchese Antinori 1997 is REALLY NICE! Also Napa Valley Robert Mondavi 1998.

Actually wines sold in HK are a lot more expensive compare to other countries due to the fact that our wines are imported and we have to pay heavy tax.

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RE: Which Country Produces The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:01 pm

Red: France
White: South Africa, California.
 
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RE: Which Country Produces The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:04 pm


For a perfect Cabernet or Merlot I definitelly would stick to Chile. Try a good Casillero del Diablo or a Rothschild.

I'm not a fan of white wine so no comment on me from that.

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RE: Which Country Produces The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:05 pm

White: New Zealand, Germany.
Red: France, Italy, USA, Spain

Quite surprised that Canadian red wines are very nice too.
 
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RE: Which Country Produces The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:05 pm

My favorites are all from South Africa... a nice little Sauvignon Blanc (esp. Spier, Du Toitskloof or Havana Hill), or (almost any) Pinotage... wonderful - from my point of view, nothing else comes close.

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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:12 pm

Here are my favorite wine:

Redwine: Australian. Here I absolutly adore Jacobs Creek.  Big thumbs up

Whitewine: German. Piesporter Michelsberg.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:17 pm

Hmm. No-one has mentioned Spain?

Their Riojas are absolutely fabulous.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:26 pm

Agree with Banco, Spanish wine is top notch. France, Portugal and Australia all produce nice wines which are rather quaffable  Big grin
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:28 pm

I like the Chilean wines a lot!. Also some Swiss wines are quite nice

 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:44 pm

"Their Riojas are absolutely fabulous."

absolutely. the best red wine in the world is the rioja made in euskal herria!
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 8:02 pm

Chilean wine is nice too
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:08 pm

Italy, France, Argentina.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:33 pm

oh that is Australia by far.

IWSC gold award to winemaker of the year for 2003, Peter Lenham of Peter Lenham wines in Australia.

some of the best and most affordable wines in the world are Australian.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 9:59 pm

Top top wines have to be FRENCH.

But overall Australian wines are very affordable and very nice.

Penfolds 389 1998 is VERY NICE. Also Cyril Henschke and St Hugo.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:10 pm

no has mentioned my adopted country of... Switzerland! there wines are awesome, my host father is a vinter, getting to tast all his wines and i have to say they are the best!
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:32 pm

KLMblue,


I mentioned the Swiss wines!! Big thumbs up


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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:35 pm

United,

As you can see, the definition of "best" is not universal.

One should think that everybody should agree on what is the best.

Swiss wine ?? Well, ...



If you follow the experts judgment and if I remember well, the winner is ...


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USA ! (Californian red wine ... gasp)

But France is working to regain the 1st place.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 10:48 pm

France is still the biggest wine producer right?

 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:08 pm

Apart from French wines, (my favorites being from Jura), I have to admit I have been very surprised by the high quality of some Swiss wines. I didn't even know Switzerland was producing RED wine (whith, I know). And the red wine I tried was superb. (first time, it was in First, on a Swissair flight, then later in restaurants in Basel).
In Israel, the Rotschild red wine is very nice (but so expensive!!!)
In the past, Croatia produced good red wines. Quality disappeared in the 90s (war). I hope they will be able to produce quality wines again.
for PHX-LJU: Slovenia has some interesting wines too (I have seen last month that Jeruzalem wines are on the wine list of one of the best French restaurants)
This is just to show you that there is not 1 country producing the best wines, but several countries produce great wines.
Also remember that the most important is how you marry the wine (a Chateau - Yquem served with a steak is what I call a crime)
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Thu Jun 10, 2004 11:37 pm

Banco / GKirk / Zak.... Agreed.

The Faustino range is excellent.

Good Italians too.

Montepulciano de Abruzzo is usually great value.

A good Barolo is a delight.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 12:03 am

I know nothing about wine. But coincidentally, the couple of times I've really liked it (and asked), it was from Australia.

As the saying goes:

Great people talk about ideas;
Most people talk about things;
Small people talk about wine!
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:06 am

I totally, fundamentally, categorically reject the notion of "best wine". That doesn't exist.

It's like asking what's the best car, between, say, a Porsche 911 or a Toyota Camry. Both are goods, but they obviously don't target the same market.

The same is true of wine. Even though you say Château Pétrus is the best all-around wine, if you're having salmon for dinner, your Pétrus won't fit at all.

The world of wine is so vast, the real pleasure of a truly wine amateur is to discover new wines, all the time. For me, there's no greater pleasure in my love for wine than to discover that little 10$ bottle that was a perfect fit with my pasta salad.

The great wines are so predictable, it's almost boring. I have a 1989 Sociando-Mallet in my cellar. I'm 100% sure this wine will be excellent when I taste it. Same with my Yqem; can't be disappointed with that one.

The more I know about wine, the more I appreciated the very simple, very valuable 10$-20$ bottles.

As for the countries/regions to watch these days (if you want my opinion), keep an eye on Argentina, Uruguay and Ontario! Yes, Ontario, in Canada - I honestly believe their Cabernet Franc will be something to drink as I think this cep is a perfect match for Ontario's climate and soil (very similar to the Loire Valley).
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:10 am

I haven't tried many kinds of wines, but of all of them, the best I've ever tried is chilean Carmenère. Esp Viña Calina's Carmenère. Delicious.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:15 am

Wow, when Argentina's wine industry is compared to that of Uruguay and Ontario (no disrespect), it just tells you how XENOPHOBIC and inward looking we, and particularly Argentine policy makers and businessmen, were in the past 70 years. The basic belief was that the rest of the world was worth sh!t and had nothing to offer, Argentina had it all.

For 70 years argentine wine makers only cared about supplying the domestic market, mostly cheap, mediocre but drinkable jug wine, and almost no fine wines. So no one outside the country even knew it was the world's 5th largest wine producer. And this was also the philosophy across all other sectors of society. In another thread people did not know about Argentina producing beef...

Or solid farming machinery... or autos... or nuclear & medical technologies... or fine leather goods... or being a bread basket for the world by producing wheat, soybeans, oats, etc...

Well, we got what we deserved! With all that Argentina can produce, from her natural resources, to her industries, and her intellectual capital, I now hope that historical blunder has been finally renounced.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:41 am

So which is the MOST EXPENSIVE wine in Italy??? Anymore expensive than Australian ones like Grange/Hill of Grace etc?

I normally drink Italian, American and Australian wine.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:26 am

People can go on and on and say this is the best wine or that is the best wine. But frankly, it is all personal opinion.

If you want to know what are the best wines, you need look no further than

http://www.iwsc.net

In 2003, the best wine maker in the world was Peter Lehmann Wines - Australia.

Having said that, my favourite winery is:

http://www.picwine.com.au/default.asp?screen=mainwinerypage&wineryid=1989

(Unfortunately their website is down at the moment so the above link gives some info)
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:45 am

So which is the MOST EXPENSIVE wine in Italy???

You'd have to expect a Barolo, such as Giacomo Conterno. Some Brunello-di-Montalcino (Biondi-Santi for example) can eat-up a fairly large chunk of your pay check too. And don't forget about the "Super Toscany" wines (although I don't like them much personally).
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:38 am

How much are they????? Those top Italian wines I mean
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:57 am

french wine is donkey's piss, real deal is australian wine, more in particular the wines of West Australia.

Goundrey, Evans and Tate, Houghtons and the list goes on, best wines in Australia are from WA, best wine in the world is from Australia. ask any wine officianado!
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:10 am

Probably none of us will ever so much as taste the "best" of any country. If you compare by price the local wine will almost always be the best value. I never cared for French wines until I went to France and realized that I had been drinking exports that were overpriced in the US where few could read the label. California wine is expensive in France too, and rightly so.

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Drink the local product. Enjoy it.

Oh - best sweet whites in the world Anderson Valley California.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:48 pm

Well France has a MUCH longer history in producing wine and the top ones on earth are ALL from Bordeaux, France. Chateau Lafite is one of them. Also Petrus. All top of the top!

Ordinary wines yes maybe Australia. But when it comes to TOP ones, even Grange can't beat Petrus.

What about Italian wine?????? How much is the most expensive bottle?
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:55 pm

I'm not an expert in wine, but two of the best I've tried have come from Israeli wineries in Haifa and the Golan, and wines from Napa and Sonoma in California.

Also, do us a favor and use far less question marks in your posts  Big thumbs up
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 1:57 pm

I have been sticking with the Aussie and South African wines mostly.

Wish I could find a decent, "Eiswein" here (is that right? Algoes help!)

There aren't some bad ones comming out of the Colombia River Valley either.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:01 pm

ROBERT MONDAVI OPUS ONE is very nice!
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:22 pm

L-188, why don't you simply contact one of the wineries producing Eiswein (your spelling was correct) through the internet and have them send some to you? I'm sure they'd do that - you probably won't have too much luck finding it in stores (as you already know), because it's produced in rather small quantities.

If you don't have any contacts you can either call up the website of the German Wine Institute (http://www.deutscheweine.de/Frame.asp?Sprache=E) or drop me a line (I think I still have some business cards of wineries that make and export Eiswein somewhere around here).

But do you really like Eiswein? For me, it's way too sweet - but, fortunately, tastes are different...  Big grin

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P.S.: Just found this additional info:

German Wine Information Bureau
245 Park Avenue, 39th Floor
New York, NY 10167
Phone: 212-792 4134
Fax: 212-792 4001
E-mail: info@germanwineusa.org
Internet: http://www.germanwineusa.org
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:25 pm

I am thinking of the right stuff.

It is wine, but you heat it up and drink it out of a shot glass.

If it worked in the mild German winters, It should work on a -20 Alaskan winter right  Big thumbs up

Get's its name because it comes from handselected grapes harvested after the 1st frost.


I don't know if I want to try and figure out how to get it imported to this country. I understand some of the US rules can be a pain.


Edit:Most german wines from me are too sweet to drink too, I tend to stick more to the merlot's from Australia and South Africa. But Eiswein is really more of a specialty drink IMHO. Like mixing peppermint Scnapps and Hot Chocolate together in the thermos you take Ice-fishing with you

BTW:Thanks for the link.

[Edited 2004-06-11 07:30:25]
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:34 pm

L-188, the import rules of just about every country can be a pain - a friend is working himself through the ones of Brazil at the moment... enough said...

I think it's still worth a try, because small quantities (in some countries the definition of "small" or "for private use" can go up to 60 bottles) are usually very easy to get in, and most of the formalities will usually be handled by the vinyard (at least in this case, because you're not importing them as a business).

But the main reason for the German Wine Institute contact is that they should be able to tell you right away if there are any importers that have Eiswein in the US - which would save you the import hassle.

But seriously - Eiswein warmed up and drunk out of a shot glass? Wow... talk about a headache....  Big grin

Sure you're not thinking of Glühwein?

You're right, by the way - both should work in Alaska as well... I mean, we've got cold winters here as well (the place I lived in last went down to below -30 degrees Celsius in winter)... although Alaska beats us by far...

AND THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!!!! Big grin

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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 2:43 pm

It could be.

This was about 10 years ago so the memory may be a bit off.

Especially after 1 or 2 shots of that stuff  Big thumbs up
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:29 pm

I think the most important and traditional prodeucer, the mirror for the rest, is only one: FRANCE

The rest of the world has many good things also, and it's funny who countries specialises in varieties:

Australia: They changed Syrah for Shiraz
Argentina: Very strong in Malbec
Chile: Cabernet Souvignon and of course Carmenere, the only country that produced it.

As for the new markets, Australia is still the leader. but we have to look after South America. Chile is the far leader of the region, but Argentina is becoming more and more important.
Anyway, for tradition, good wines and branding,

Chile wins in South America,
France in Europe,
California in North America,
South Africa in Africa and
Australia in Asia/Oceania.

Of course my vote goes for Chile, great producer for all varieties, Red and White.

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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:17 pm

From what I remember, the ranking was:

1) France
2) Italy
3) USA
4) Spain
5) Australia
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 7:45 pm

Nicest wine I have ever had:

Dingac from the Dalmatian region of Croatia.

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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 9:50 pm

United_Airline,

To answer your question, top Italian bottles will sell somewhere between 400$ to 1000$ - depending on the year, market condition, etc.

Top French bottles (Bordeaux 1er Crus Classés or Burgundy Romané-Conti for example) are up for grab between 750$ - 2000$.

The market is crazy now - blame it on the Asians! But everyone is expecting a crash soon.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:05 pm

US$?????

The most expensive bottle of wine sold was actually a bottle of Chateau Lafite made in 1770s. It was purchased by a rich man in France. Around US$ 1 million.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:07 pm

Since I am no big fan of red wine, I will not comment on them.
Although I can tell you that there is NO good wine from Greece, red or white.
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I have had great wines from all over the world.
My mother-in-law to be once gave me a bottle of wine from Wisconsin and that was very good. So I guess you can go anywhere, but Greece, and get a good tasting wine.
Overall I like German, Australian and US wines best.
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:07 pm

The most expensive bottle of wine sold was actually a bottle of Chateau Lafite made in 1770s

Bottle of wine or 200 year old vinegar?
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:26 pm

I would say its just for the name.

Doubt it is still drinkable. And even if it is, it would most likely taste like vinegar.

Yeah Chateau Lafite......... 1770s.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 10:27 pm

Any good italian wines that you recommend?
 
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Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:00 pm

I know I am biased because I am Italian, but I do think Italian wines are the best. I really love a good Chianti. For a desert wine perhaps a nice Barollo or Marsala. Chilean wines are also quite good, and I've had a nice German white wine before, but I don't recall the name.
 
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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:07 pm

Any good Italian wines that you recommend?

Kind of very open question...

In red, I really like these (but it doesn't mean you'll find them in your area):

Sella & Mosca Riserva cannonau-di-sardegna

Cannonau is Italian for Grenache or Garnacha. Robust and very tasty. Very good with moderately spicy meals or more tasty meat, such as lamb. Approximately 15$.

Serègo Alighieri Masi valpolicella-classico

An opposite to the previous one: light and fruity. Will match a tasty, not too strong meal (roast beef, veal, even duck). Approximately 15$ too.

And as a general rule of thumb, all Chianti 1997 are very recommendable - but a bit more expensive.


Italy does not produce "great" white wine, but some that are very interesting nonetheless. Some I like are:
Corvo Bianco Duca Salaparuta sicilia i.g.t.

I like this wine because it is surprisingly fruity considering the hot climate it grew in. Original and affordable too, approximately 10$.

San Vincenzo Anselmi veneto i.g.t.

I love this wine. Fresh, very elegant, unique. It's made with the Garganega cep, which is indigenous to its area and it absolutely adds to its charm. What a change from the boring and predictable Chards and Sauvignon. Approximately 15$.

Another general rule of the thumb, but this time for white wines. Basically all white wine coming from the Alto-Adige area are very good. They're produced with very common ceps (Chardonnay, Pinot Grigio, Sauvignon), but the particular mountain climate of this region gives those wine a very original and unique taste. Not your Californian type of Chardonnay, that's for sure. Never met a Alto-Adige white I didn't like. They are a bit more expansive though, at around 20$.

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RE: Which Countries Produce The Best Wine?

Fri Jun 11, 2004 11:45 pm

What about MARCHESE ANTINORI? And one called Barbaresco??

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