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Moore To Slander Blair Next

Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:42 pm

Michael Moore, the Blowhard that makes a living creating documentaries out of fiction has announced his next target to slander.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair will be the follow on target when Moore begins his next piece of trash cinema following his film Fahrenheit 9/11. (Is it just me or does more have Kurt Vonnegut fixation?).

Moore reportedly has already hired two democratic agents to deflect charges that dogged him after his last movie, that he fakes scenes, and is factually incorrect. Charges that will no doubt also apply to the new release and this follow up piece.

It is too bad that elected officials can't sure for slander. This guy has made a career of it.

Dammit, forgot the link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3800665.stm

[Edited 2004-06-13 06:42:34]
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:09 pm

Michael Moore can keep making these films if he wants... That's his right, but isn't it hypocritical of him to be living the lifestyle he is fighting against?

He's a rich, white, arrogant, overweight, American, "political wacko(on the left as opposed to the right)" etc....
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:54 pm

He is an attention whore.. This was aggrevated by the fact he won that miserable prize in France. If people would just ignore him he would go away.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:18 pm

"It’s only wrong if you get caught.”
-Michael Moore


Doesn't that quote sum him up pretty well?
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:53 pm

I take it you guys are not big fans of his. (Perceptive, aren't I?)

But I notice you're all from the US. Has anyone seen Fahrenheit 9/11? Did they ever find a distributer for it here?
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SO?

Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:15 pm

So what, probably, like he usually does, he will make some telling points.
I'm sure Blair will survive it, without all the hysteria that comes from the US, which seems to be forgetting that it is supposed to have something called free speech.
But then Blair gets a lot of scrutiny and tough questions anyway, even a mild question often gets Bush in his 'rabbit in headlights' mode, as we saw in that hilarious press conference recently.
Oh, that prize is highly regarded in the film world, 10 years ago Pulp Fiction won it.
Seems to me that Moore, who is far from perfect, knows how to head a raw nerve with some, getting them in a 'neo-McCarthy' mode.
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:15 am

For all the hype about Moore's latest production, Farenheit 9/11, it's scarcely attracting throngs at the multiplexes. For every person who's seen it, probably 100 have seen the new Harry Potter. Moore gets a lot of media attention but hardly makes any impression on society as a whole.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:57 am

But "Roger and Me" is a very funny movie. Regardless of what you think of Moore....it's priceless to see former "Newlywed Game" host Bob Eubanks breezily deliver a five-second joke that manages to be racist and anti-semitic at the same time....
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:20 am

Although I have been very disappointed with his recent works, he does show the US citizens something they don't like: The way they really are.

The small town people being genuinely nice, although often with perverted/distorted views. Which is mainly the fault of an overly patriotic upbringing. But we know who benefits from that.
On the other hand you see the fake stars that are true capitalist, immoral pigs. But are behind a nice facade, built by the "left wing" media.

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Ushermittwoch

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:47 am

Ushermittwoch: Although I have been very disappointed with his recent works, he does show the US citizens something they don't like: The way they really are.

I´d rather say: One facet of how they "really are"...  Wink/being sarcastic

But that´s what satire is all about; If it were all warm and fuzzy, it would simply fail to do its job. And in that way, Moore is certainly doing his job! Big grin

Just no reason to take everything at face value.
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:54 am

I have never seen a Moore-made flick, and won't ever. From what I read about how factually incorrect "Bowling for Columbine" was, and when he slammed Bush at the Oscar awards, I decided that I have better things to do with my time than listen to his lies.

My only question is this: when will someone make a movie slamming HIM!
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:06 am

Very open-minded my friend.

You're a prime example why Moore is so much liked in "Old" Europe.
Exposing the ignorant.

And Klaus, you caught me. Next time I'll try to sound a little bit more "fair and balanced".
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:15 am

"Danke sehr"


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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:16 am

Moore has had programmes on over here for years, well before those bozo's in the US who get so wound up about him even knew his name.

I remember in these shows he had a fair amount of bile for Clinton too.

Bowling For Columbine, though often clumsy and over-wought, wasn't even really about lax gun laws, Moore was a teenage shooter, a NRA member, what I think was was trying to get at in that film was what is it in US society that causes such a toll of murder, most of it gun related.
He did demonstrate that Canada, with quite liberal gun laws too, has per population, a murder rate a fraction of the US.

Moore seems to think (with his scattergun approach it can be sometimes hard to tell) that attitudes in US society are the prime cause, basically he contends, large elements of society really don't give a shit about anyone, and it's a top down process.

As for his latest works, well much of what he highlights, like GWB letting a bunch of Saudis fly out of the US during the post Sept 11th shutdown, Bush links with Saudis etc, is nothing new, been reading about this sort of stuff for a couple of years, well you can outside the US it seems!

I do notice that many of Moore's detractors, like so much else in the US it seems now, resort to personal abuse rather than debate the points he is trying to make, and he does slip up, I saw some howlers in Bowling For Columbine, but maybe the broad thrust of what he is trying to say is harder to argue with.

The idea that any documentary would match a popular movie series aimed at such a wide audience as the Harry Potter series (which the religious cracker in-breds don't like either as they think it's satanic, like those backwards played Judas Priest records) is a bit silly.
Though in recent times cinema documentary's have been much more popular, like the one on McNamara and Capturing The Friedmans, perhaps a reaction against the dumbed down TV news networks?
Point is, despite Disney, (was Jeb Bush pressuring them?) he has got distribution.

 
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Ushermittwoch

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:16 am

Ushermittwoch: And Klaus, you caught me. Next time I'll try to sound a little bit more "fair and balanced".

Only if you´re doing it without the quotesBig grin
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:21 am

You mean like the Fox News Channel?
 Big grin

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Ushermittwoch

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:26 am

Ushermittwoch: You mean like the Fox News Channel?

They´re the one with the quotes! That´s why!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:27 am

I do notice that many of Moore's detractors, like so much else in the US it seems now, resort to personal abuse rather than debate the points he is trying to make, and he does slip up, I saw some howlers in Bowling For Columbine, but maybe the broad thrust of what he is trying to say is harder to argue with.

No one said much about him until it turned out that what was supposedly a "documentary" in Columbine was more or less staged. He lost his credibility, and has since gone a bit overboard at times where it's completely un-appropriate. When the screen actors boo you, you've got issues.
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:31 am

The parts that were "staged" weren't the really pressing issues though.

And as I have said before, his old works were a lot better.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:43 am

He always used those methods, he has had shows on over here since the mid 1990's, even so, prove the broad thrust of what he seems to be saying is true or false.

You should know that he's not well liked, as a person, hardly unusual in the media is it?
Including by many on the left, once he starts off on one he often goes overboard.
But don't right wing commentators and shock jocks do that on a daily basis to a far greater degree?

He gets attention as his message is different from the standard network dumbed down news, which is basically 'here is the truth, here are some commercials, don't think, now consume and shut up'.

Anyway, he hardly rates on falsehoods compared to, for example, Iraq had deployable WMD's, Iraq had a hand in Sept 11th, Moore's howlers don't cost lives.

Someone has to challenge the status quo, it's vital for a healthy democracy, whatever you think of who is doing it.
Unless you prefer Neo McCarthism, in which case fine, just shut up lecturing the rest of the world about freedom, free speech, democracy.

 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:46 am

>>>You're a prime example why Moore is so much liked in "Old" Europe.
Exposing the ignorant.
<<<

You don't need Moore's help. Your ignorance speaks for itself.

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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:59 am

Care to elaborate Mr. Mechanic?

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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:02 am

Check out "Roger and Me" to see vintage Michael Moore, before the publicity, before the Oscar speeches, etc. I'm telling y'all, it's a very funny movie, regardless of your politics.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:16 am

He's egotistical, often arrogant, sometimes slipshod, but he hits a raw nerve.

Someone has to do it, funny how many in on the far right in the US are so nervous with the notion of someone like Moore actually practicing free speech, even the idea of someone going against the grain. Like they did in the 1970's.

Clearly the venom of the attacks against him seem to indicate he's hitting home on many issues.

And no, he's not really a hero in Europe, we are more used to a diverse media, he is almost an amusing curiosity, in that 'look, a US media figure who does not just tow the Bush line, actually practices free speech, doesn't cower at 'big media' pressure'.

Face it, Moore's success is a sign of the malaise and seemingly fear in the major US media networks, nature abhors a vacuum after all.
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:39 am

>>>Clearly the venom of the attacks against him seem to indicate he's hitting home on many issues.<<<

Not necessarily. He could be so full of **it that he evokes venomous remarks. Which is probably his intended goal anyway.



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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Mon Jun 14, 2004 5:06 am

The right slanders Bill and Hillary and Dems all the time. And the apologetic right-wingers get pissed off when something similar is done to them.

Amusing. Absolutely priceless.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:14 am

Moore To Slander Blair Next

Nice try L188, but you are wrong.

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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:00 am

Well L-188 seems to be pretty trigger happy lately.
Just look at the "ELF" thread and their terrorist activities.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Tue Jun 15, 2004 8:36 am

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Very open-minded my friend.

You're a prime example why Moore is so much liked in "Old" Europe.
Exposing the ignorant.

And Klaus, you caught me. Next time I'll try to sound a little bit more "fair and balanced".


So basically your openminded, fair and balanced as long as your bashing Americans, bush and Hicks. By your remarks "old Europeans" only like it when you slander the yanks and debase a whole genre of american society.



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Galaxy5

Tue Jun 15, 2004 9:08 am

Galaxy5: So basically your openminded, fair and balanced as long as your bashing Americans, bush and Hicks. By your remarks "old Europeans" only like it when you slander the yanks and debase a whole genre of american society.

We just don´t share your apparent belief that you as a person or even every american was identical to Fox "News".

Fox "News" is crap.

You are just generally annoying (exceptions apply). Big grin

Americans in general are - diverse.


(Disclaimer: Yes, I´m usually annoying to many, as well. Tough! Big grin)
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:47 am

He hits a huge nerve. How many other movies are being talked about in here...

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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Wed Jun 16, 2004 2:15 am

Galaxy5: society is not made up of "genres".
BoingGoingGone: Bowling For Colombine is not "staged". And Boeing is not spelt "Boing".
StevenUhl777: "I have never seen a Moore-made flick, and won't ever." So how do you know what you're talking about? And what, do you think seeing a Michael Moore film is an anti-American (whatever that means) act? Good for you for staying away from anything that might express a viewpoint that opposes your own. Brave lad. Keep it up. "From what I read about how factually incorrect Bowling for Columbine was..." Where? www.anncoulter.com?
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:54 am

gen·re ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zhänr)
n.
A type or class.


Yes there is a Genre of society.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:49 am

Genre refers to literature, you mean 'segment' or 'section' of society. Genre is inappropriate.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:26 am

Using the 'class' definition of 'genre' to talk about classes in society is as correct as using it to talk about a class in school. Like "I've got math genre at 2PM." It doesn't work.

For all the hype about Moore's latest production, Farenheit 9/11, it's scarcely attracting throngs at the multiplexes. For every person who's seen it, probably 100 have seen the new Harry Potter. Moore gets a lot of media attention but hardly makes any impression on society as a whole.

Well there's a brilliant observation lol. Um, I'd say that for every 1,000,000 people who have seen Harry Potter, 0 have seen Fahrenheit 9/11 because it hasn't opened yet. US release date 6/25.

Anyway, didn't something similar happen before where people lost their shit because of something Moore said and it just turned out to be an out of context statement meant as a joke?
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:45 am

Say what you like about Moore, he's got a sense of humour, which will upset many of his detractors.
And a sense of irony too, which will just confuse many of his detractors.

 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:41 am

Sorry guys, been gone a couple of days.

Have you heard about the latest, apparently Moore has been sitting on an alleged rape video from Iraq, and didn't report it to anybody, but yet stuck the footage in the movie.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:01 pm

Good. Shows what kind of people are running the US Government and in charge of our soldiers.

Maybe people will wake up now and realize how shitty our current government is.

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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:31 pm

Moore To Slander Blair Next

Well, I'd hardly call it slander. Slander is a false statement meant to dishonor someone. That's only half right, as it is meant to dishonor someone.

While I do not like Moore himself, I've found his documentaries interesting, even if you must take what he says with a grain of salt.


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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:44 pm

Moore is an expert at being manipulative with selective choice and placement of video clips. I saw Bowling for Columbine, first time I saw it, I was half way convinced by some of his ideas. Then I looked back at it, and saw how the viewer was manipulated by the movie. He went so far as to try and blame Dick Clark.

Whatever his views are, wether I agree with them or not, I feel it's deceptive film making. Of course, he has the right to make his movies all he wants, more power to him. You won't find me watching one, though. I only watched Bowling for Columbine to get needed diversity credit for college, ugh.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:17 pm

L-188, rather than trying to spread unattributed and unconfirmed accusations, you should apologize for the error in your initial post.
 
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:00 pm

L-188 wrote:
Michael Moore, the Blowhard that makes a living creating documentaries out of fiction..............

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Even if that opinion were true,
it beats creating a war out of fiction.
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:07 am

Who did that Voodoo?

Hitler?
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RE: Moore To Slander Blair Next

Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:43 am

good on him, politicians are elected by the people, to serve the voters best interests, and to govern effectively, all we've seen from Bush, Blair and Howard is lies and coverups. i'm not saying all of F 9/11 will be fact, but hey it's gotta be a good insight into some of the failings of govt.

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