ryanb741
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English Football Fans Riot In Portugal - As Usual

Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:37 pm

Well strangely the BBC has no mention of it but here in bangkok Thai TV has live feeds of pitched battles between English fans and Portuguese police. Hopefully it is just a minor skirmish but if it turns out to be like Charleroi 4 years ago then I'm sorry but we MUST be banned and all future tournaments take place without English fans allowed. This type of behavious is endemic in England and is a major reason why I am emigrating from the UK. Get rid of Chavs in English society.
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:51 pm

I wondered how long it would take...
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:55 pm

Let's hope it's nothing major, being booted out of the tournament for non-footballing reasons would be sickening.
But emigrating because of hooligans? Now that's a bit over the top.
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:55 pm

Wow, I totally agree with you Ryanb741.

Mon Dieu. You demonstrate a very noble and mature attitude.

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Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:58 pm

And only yesterday the bod on the BBC was on about how great the atmos was, how it was just what everyone wanted. Presumably this was before the 17 pints per person kicked in....
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:38 pm

Well, it sure doesn't help when the other side starts to fight back!

What I've read, is that some english fans were sitting outside a bar, pissed as hell, startet throwing various items at a bus. The bus stopped and some of the people onboard got out & started throwing the items back! And then you're really begging for more trouble.
 
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:57 pm

It just does my head in. Here in Bangkok there are loads of tourists from around the world and when you see, say a French tourist or a german tourist or a Scandinavian tourist they are walking about town dressed respectfully and behaving politely. Come across a british tourist however and they are either dressed in a football shirt looking drunk and as if they haven't washed in days, or they are dressed OK (in a typical English middle-class unfashionable way) but arguing with their husband/wife/kids and generally drawing attention to themselves as somewhat uncivilised (who the hell has a domestic argument in public anyway?). I was even in a decent restaurant yesterday and one of the dishes this English woman on the other table ordered was 'Yum neua' which has the English translation of spicy beef salad. Now if the thais are saying it's spicy, you can sure as hell be certain the dish will be spicy, yet this woman started a scene saying the dish was too spicy and that the restaurant had obviously made a mistake and put too many chillies in and that isnt at all how salads are made back home.

My wife (who is Thai) 'politely' suggested that if the woman had a problem with spicy food (as many foreigners in Bangkok do) she has the option of trying a less spicy dish or failing that visiting the Mc Donald's across the road, and yet this woman took offence to that and got her husband involved (to be fair to him he looked really embarassed over the whole affair). Eventually they were escorted from the restaurant (called Bussaracum for those who know Bangkok) at which point the woman shouted 'I am NEVER coming here again!' - like this is going to make a blind bit of difference to a Michelin star restaurant with a 2 week booking waiting list!).

I think any kind of getting angry or overemotional in public is really crass behaviour, and in Asian countries it leads to a loss of face for both parties concerned, and I was really embarrassed about the whole thing which spoiled a decent meal at a nice restaurant.
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:59 pm

Not sure where you've got that from. Sky News report very little problems, there is an estimated 60000 England fans in Lisbon for the game and only 4 fans have been arrested.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:07 am

Im sorry but i have to defend this.. I havnt heard of any hooligan activities on the news or papers or radios. Everything i have heard has been laid back English people enjoying the atmosphere of the football spirit, yes English people drink a lot but i wouldnt class them as 'Yobs' just because we know how to drink and enjoy ourselves. I was listening to Radio 1 the other day and they were interviewing a couple of fans. Yeh the fans were drinking a bit, you know a couple of pints but they said, they were simply there to enjoy themselves and see the games, no punch ups intended. They said they hadnt heard of any fights or unjust behaviour and it gives me reason to believe that the English fans are learning their lessons and calming down.
Please dont be so quick to put the English together with a pint of beer and let it add up to Hooliganism.. thats just not fair..
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:16 am

Arsenal@LHR - I'm not emigrating because of hooligans, but the fact that we have British hooligans is representative of UK society as a whole. You see, I only moved to the UK when I was 13, previously I had lived in the UAE, India, Pakistan, Australia, France and Thailand. The problem with the UK is that society is pretty much centred around alcohol - most Brits cannot entertain the idea of a night out without alcohol being involved. And therein lies the problem - loss of control through binge drinking. As illustration is New Year's eve. Spend a night out in Bangkok on New Year's eve and you typically go for a nice meal, have some drinks (but in moderation) and then go outside and enjoy the fireworks and entertainment in the street. At the end of the evening, everybody goes home happy and the city remains as before. In the UK everybody gets ridiculously drunk and then after midnight there is vomit in the streets, dustbins have been overturned and windows smashed and there are people urinating in shopfronts. Disgusting.

Another example is Euro 2004. Here in bangkok the authorities have erected many massive TV screens outside department stores etc all showing the football matches. There are tables and chairs in front of the screens from where you can order drinks and food. It's a really great way to watch football instead of being cramped in a smoky pub. Yet there is absolutely no way the authorities could do this in the UK because the spectators would inevitably get completely pissed and start fights or try to vandalist the tables/chairs/screens.

The UK is the only country I have lived in where this is such a problem. Other countries' citizens seem generally able to have a night out that doesn't culminate in either a fight, vomiting, or having sex with a total stranger. The UK has problems with this, and now that I am married and in the fortunate position of being reasonably financially secure there is simply no way I wish to have kids and raise them in the british way - as what is certain is that whilst the UK is still tolerated due to it's developed status, as other countries are rapidly developing and catching up fast, the behaviour of the Brit will no longer be tolerated.

Look at the EU as another example. I'm not a fan for political reasons but many Brits seem to think that the reason they should be out of the Eu is because they don't want all the Eastern europeans coming or have the French/germans tell us what to do. It is as if the average Brit seems to think that the EU is on its hands and knees begging us to integrate further. Do you really think your average Euro citizen wants closer ties with Kevin from Southend and his beer swilling, street fighting chums? I don't think so. Britain is still widely respected in the world (Particuarly in North America and Asia), but its population seem to be trying their best to stop this.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:20 am

In the UK everybody gets ridiculously drunk and then after midnight there is vomit in the streets, dustbins have been overturned and windows smashed and there are people urinating in shopfronts. Disgusting.

Yeah.. It's stupid when you think about it.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:21 am

Aviancegirl and gman - I saw it live on Thai news about an hour ago. Unless throwing tables and chairs at police officers constitutes your idea of a quiet pint then they were definitely involved in what I consider acts of hooliganism.

Anyway, I seem to remember UK news sources playing down the hooliganism in Charleroi or blaming it on Turks or the police. So maybe this is a damage limitation exercise by the UK media because I have seen on TV what is going on.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:36 am

Ryan, go here and read it. You'll see its only a small few incidents with the remainder 50,000 people behaving good!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3802125.stm
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RE: English Football Fans Riot In Portugal - As Usual

Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:50 am

There's always going to be rioting at football matches, especially international matches of a competition like this, its unavoidable. It's just the few pathetic people who ruin it for everyone else.

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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:51 am

Ryan,

I agree with comments regarding the British way of going out a weekends and getting pissed up and causing trouble, so much so me and my wife make a point of not going out at the night on the weekends because the city centres are virtually no go areas thanks to the chavscum.

But regarding the so called trouble you've been talking about, I've been watching Sky News for about the last hour and there is no mention of any problems and the British press definitely do not underplay any trouble. The pictures of the trouble in Chareloi four years ago were shown on Sky and BBC, you could quite easily see what was going on. I've also checked the Sky, BBC, Reuters and PA websites and there is no mention of any trouble except for a small skirmish overnight.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_987100.html

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Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:54 am

I am surprised that the Germans have not done anything yet.
Just wait for Tuesday when some Germans and some Feyenoord fans get close to eachother...
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:14 am

This type of behavious is endemic in England and is a major reason why I am emigrating from the UK. Get rid of Chavs in English society

Ryanb741, don't feel guilty for this. If you emigrate due to that, the other side will have been successful... it is not your fault.. such people are in every society. I appreciate your engagement in this question, but don't feel responsible for other peoples' behavior... British society (I never thought I would say that) has impressed me in many ways since I am here.. so you also find people who are extremely polite. helpful and just easygoing like in hardly any country I know
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:19 am

The rioting has also been reported on German TV, it's not made up.

And I have my doubts that the Portugese police starts rioting against peaceful English tourists...
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:26 am

I'm sorry but once again Sky News has just been live to Lisbon and they have been saying what a good atmosphere it is in the city, comparing it to a carnival atmosphere. The British press can be accused of many things but not burying the news.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:36 am

The British press can be accused of many things but not burying the news.

Depends which press you follow... if one follows these people like Murdoch, then you will see that there is a very selective choice of information. But I agree, there are very good other sources available (in contrast to the American Press)
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:42 am

Got it on Euronews and NTV as well. Seems it started with hooligans attacking a Portugese folk dance group.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:20 am

The reports I have seen state that there were 'minor' skermishes last night which lead to four arrests. Let us hope that tonight passes quietly in terms of fans behaviour (though I have doubts).

Some of the reports today from Portugal show English fans in the bars from early on and acting quite rowdy, but not causing bother.

I have to agree with Ryanb741 to a certain degree though. The 'trash' element of English society does seem to be rearing its head in greater numbers in recent years. Its really sad as you just can't see how to make things better and stop all the rowdy/violent/anti-social people ruining things for the vast majority of good, decent people. It ends up that all English people get tarred with the same brush. Of course, alcohol can bring out the worst in people but I think that there are also many who behave badly without having a drink. It just seems that english society has generally been on a downward stretch for quite a long time. If only we knew how to stop the rot!

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Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:22 am

I really object to the title of this post : "English Football Fans......"

They are no fans of England, and they are not football supporters. Just mindless, inbred, racist hooligans who have nothing in their lives except causing trouble with their so-called mates. Tw*ts.

I had also heard that some Spanish citizens had been causing trouble yesterday. Anyone else?

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Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:28 am

We all know that English Hooligans should be the title, but I guess it was more or less a media quote... right?
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:57 am

LOLOL

It isn't football without some kind of fight Big grin

Anyway most of it is caused by the locals, followed by a minority retaliating. Then the authorities get involved and try to attack anyone English and so on.


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Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:06 am

But of course Jamotx  Big grin It's all the fault of those nasty Portuguese. We see day in, day out on the news yet another report of Portuguese citizens rioting in their streets, and it is the unfortunate England fans who innocently get caught up, just as they were innocently caught in the middle of a Belgian riot in Charleroi. Lets kick Portugal out of Euro 2004!  Big grin
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:20 am

Fair enough, i agree with you on the alcohol part, that's one thing i never understood about British society, the obsession with getting drunk until you pass out.

Anyway, 25 minutes till kick off.  Smile
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:29 am

Although my British and my German side is rooting against the French in general, I do hope that the Frogs will win it all this year. They are the only ones capable of stopping the Italians...
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I did read an article yesterday, that the police were not cracking down on pot because they think that it will keep the people peaceful.
Maybe they should hand out some weed for free and make alcohol really outrageously expensive...
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RE: English Football Fans Riot In Portugal - As Usual

Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:52 am

There was no significant trouble in Holland in 2000 cos the England ('Inger-Lund') fans got too stoned in AMS!
A lesson for home perhaps?
Clamp down on too many bars in town centres and ban cheap strong booze offers and happy hours, make 'big alcohol' pay for policing.
Legalize and tax cannabis, spend the money on better education and for those who won't behave, more prison capacity, off shore, call them 'Chav Ships!'

But a websearch cannot find significant trouble, the police admit some might have slipped the net, but they've confiscated passports and detained a lot of 'faces'.

I was only sorry that England didn't qualify for 1994 (don't really care about footy, most players are thick, overpaid, overrated, prima donnas) because that I had hoped a load of hooligans would have gone to the US, rioted, and maybe got shot by the National Guard!
 
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:34 am

I agree with what most of you are saying about the English "ChavScum". I too am embarrased to be British/English sometimes.

I don't know what has happened to society in the last few years, but I think that the politically correct lefties and the out of date drinking laws could have something to do with it.

The lefties have to take some responsibility for the lack of discipline that parents are able to show towards their children, thus creating a generation of people who think that it's totally acceptable to be anti social as they have been brought up by parents who don't show their children any form of discipline, or are still wanting to go out and enjoy themselves and don't give a toss about their kids.

The drinking laws don't help either. Most people that go out won't get into the pubs until 2000. They then only have 3 hours before closing time, so naturally will drink as much as possible. Do away with the draconian drinking laws, and things will eventually calm down, once people realise they can drink all night, they will slow up thus pacing themselves and not getting as drunk. I also think doing away with the traditional British Pint Glass would help too, and having smaller glasses like on the Continent and in Australia would also help as people are not throwing as much volume down their necks in one go.

Just my £0.02

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Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:55 am

GDB,
wouldn't be too sure about that. IIRC, some hools from the UK were eager to confront some of turkish hools who they had fought in Copenhagen prior to the UEFA Cup winners cup final (which itself was an offspring of the 2 Leeds-fans who were stabbed to death in Turkey). I actually have footage of some of the more violent episodes, including one where the police empties a bar in a completely disgusting way (from what I can see, the bar was crowded, so they threw in a few rounds of teargas, and then took them one by one as the people inside were stumbling their way out of the door - regardless if people had actually done anything or not. And the police wonder why they've been tagged ACAB).

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Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:59 am

Leezyjet, by Continent you must not be talking about Germany or the Czech Republic where 0,5 or 1 litre/liter (for our US friends) are very common.

What would the Oktoberfest be without a "Maß" (1l of finest Bavarian brew)?!
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