DLKAPA
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37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:55 am

yes, legally 37 hours is still considered part-time. But seriously, how? I can't live any kind of a life when I'm working 37 hours a week (on average). The only reason I can figure I'm working 37 hours as opposed to 40 is so that they don't have to give me full time.

I'm typing this as I'm getting ready to head in to work tonight. My schedule consists of this:

8 hours yesterday (sunday), 6.5 hours today (monday), off tomorrow, 6.5 hours wensday, 8 hours thursday, off friday, and 8 hours saturday.

Anybody who thinks that kind of hours is part time needs to have their head checked.

DLKAPA

btw I'm not bitching to any higher-ups because I'm quitting in a month to get ready for college.
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 5:59 am

Yes... it is part-time.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:03 am

I once worked part time at a place that wouldn't let most part timers work more than 35 hours a week. For the longest time they didn't enforce it, as most weeks I'd end up with 37-38 hours. Whenever I'd be in danger of hitting 40 hours that week, they'd send me home early or have me come in late to keep me from hitting 40. Then the district manager started making the managers account for the extra hours in their departments, and that's when they started to get strict on part time employees' hours. I didn't have to worry about it too long, as I was made a full-time employee not too long after that.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:08 am

And in France 35 hours is full time.  Big grin

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:10 am

37 hours are part time?  Nuts I work 40 hours a week (8 hours a day) and I have a full time job.

Patrick

Typo edit.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:11 am

Your classification is part time - That is different then the number of hours you work.

Don't sweat it if you are leaving in a month.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:12 am

Not only in France is 35 hours full time... same here in Germany, and in some companies it's even less... but they're trying to get the standard amount of working hours per week to go back up - and when I started working again on 24 May, my contract also said that I have a 40 hour work week - which I don't mind, because so far I end my weeks somewhere between 42 and 45 hours.

But, honestly - 37 hours considered as part time? What, then, is "legally" considered full time? 40 hours? Or, as one could also call it, 36 minutes of extra work per day? Or how high is the limit from which you're "legally" not a part time employee anymore?

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:16 am

Legally, 40 hours or more per week is full time.

However, I have worked for companies where full-time benefits kicked in at 32 hours.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:20 am

Sorry to get a little bit off-topic but allow me one question, how many free days/each year are usual in the USA when you have a full time job? I have 30 free days each year.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:25 am

Sabena, it depends on the company.

I earned Paid Time Off at a rate of approximately 11%, which equates to approxamtely 1 month off per year worked full-time. Mind you, this was a part-time position. However, I don't think there are any legal requirements for paid vacations.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:29 am

Eric,
Less then 40= part time. Part time = don't have to pay benefits. Get it?

And i'm sure King Soopers really doesn't care about your social life if your an hourly part timer... be serious... what do you want them to do? And your full or part time status is really just a code on your time card. There are many people that routinely work less then 40 hours and are considered full time with benefits. Then there are salaried employees who can work well over the 40 and get no additional cash.

I routinely work 5-10 hours a week at my job, yet I have an expense account, have no time clock, and have a comfy salary as well. How else could I spend so much time goofing off taking pictures?
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:35 am

JAL, thanks for your reply!

Here it depends also on the company you are working for, but I think that it is compulsory that they have to give you at least 25 days off.

I recall that I saw a report about Japanese workers in TV a while back, they showed an example, a guy who was working for Toyota had to work 6 days a week (I can't remember how many hours) and he only got 10 days off each year, he said in an interview that he usually don't take advantage of all 10 days which is normal for almost everyone in Japan.

That is completely insane, since I saw the report I am really glad that German companies are very generous with free days. Can anyone confirm that every Japanese company is only giving so few free days?

Patrick
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:38 am

It's cultural, I guess.

While not getting a decent sized vacation may be considered cruel by the average European, its a sign of laziness in Japan. I guess the US lies somewhere in between.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:16 pm

I guess the US lies somewhere in between.

For many US employers even senior level positions only get 2 or at most 3 weeks of vacation at the beginning of employment. Canada is a little better but not by much, still many people only get the two weeks.

I can't believe some companies are so cheap as to ask you to go home early so the status doesn't change. It is pretty sad that there are such scumbags around.
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:34 pm

OK back from work,

Yeah, I do think they are giving me these 37 hour weeks so that they don't have to give me the full time benefits. Shitheads that they are.

I could go into detail on how King Soopers/Kroger corporation is even more crooked than that, but I'll stop for now.

Please, if you have any decency in you, don't shop at a Kroger store.

DLKAPA
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 2:50 pm

Erik,

The reason that most retail companies schedule their employees at 37 hours is not to move them to part-time status. It is to provide a 3-hour 'buffer' to avoid the employee working over 40 hours per week, and thus being eligible for overtime pay.

Also, in the U.S. most companies draw the line between full-time and part-time at 27-30 hours per week. This reduces the number of employees who are eligible for medical and other benefits.

If a company considers 37 hours per week to be part-time and does not offer benefits to those people - that is definitely the exception to normal practices.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:04 pm

(it's Eric, btw  Big grin )

yeah, I took a part-time job thinking that it would actually be a part-time job.

Guess not

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:10 pm

Sabena 332,

At Boeing after 20 years, I get 160 hours of vacation, 80 hours of sick leave, and everyone gets time off from 23rd of December to 2nd of January, Memorial Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving Day and the day after, and the 4th of July. It's brutal, but someone needs to do it.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:28 pm

Well, I´ve got to work 40 hours a week or 167 hours a month, since it is impossible to work 167 hours in some months, simply because they don´t have enough days, it averages out at the end of the years. I get 25 working days paid leave a year (legal minimum in the EU). Most of my work takes place at night and on weekends. For this I get a taxfree bonus, which makes up about 1/3 of my net income.
Since we are chronicaly understaffed (since I started here 4 years ago), we get to work plenty of overtime.
Our boss has the idea that you have to earn your leave by working overtime, and since I´ve got to beg for every day off, I often have onwe or two weeks of leave left at the end of the year.
Usualy we work public holidays, while getting a bonus. Esp. christmas, easter and new year are used for maintenance, since the airline doesn´t fly during the holidays (very little cargo). Planning takes the opportunity of the planes standing around on the airport to send us work orders for scheduled maintenance.

Health insurance, pension and social security insurance are compulsory (50% paid by the worker, 50% paid by his boss) and apply to part time workers as well.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 3:30 pm

A company I worked for worked part timers 39.5 hrs per week M-F. Many of the people put in an extra hour a day during the week and would only work 3.5 hrs on Friday and get an early start on the weekend until the boss figured it out.
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 6:14 pm

37 hours / week is full time with my employer - I could work longer hours but would get no financial reward for doing so. Overtime is not something we do unless there is a specific task that has to be completed by a deadline.
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:32 pm

"Please, if you have any decency in you, don't shop at a Kroger store."

Dang, and I thought the King Soopers across the street from my place in Boulder was a good thing...

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Tue Jun 15, 2004 10:38 pm

Most places that I worked at in crappy pt work land had ~34 hours as the cut-off between part-time and full-time. Being full-time entitles you to several benefits, including health-insurance. There is enough documentation out there, anecdotal and otherwise, of store managers manipulating peoples schedules to keep their hours just below the threshold for benefits. And God forbid if you need to work OT, they get just as anal about that too.

As for time off, I think I earn roughly 1.5 days per month paid time-off, plus a slightly higher rate for sick days. Which reminds me that I actually need to turn in about 3 months worth of timesheets with my current accruals on them.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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DLKAPA
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:17 am

Yeah, I've been yelled at for staying overtime, last week I was only scheduled 35 hours but ended up working an extra hour because every time my shift came to an end it got really busy and I couldn't get away from the checkstand.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:35 am

 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:57 am

God damnit, KROC, quit taking away my opportunities to award boxes of tissues.

Anyway, just to rub it in. I work 35-38 hours a week, I have full benefits, better than that though is that I make double of what everyone else in my position makes because I am in college--and therefore considered an "intern."
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Wed Jun 16, 2004 4:57 am

hmm, well i am contracted full-time at 33.5 hrs/week. (leave it to a law firm to make it 33.5) but overtime kicks in after 35 hours/week. clearly the majority of my paycheck is overtime and i average 60 hour work weeks.

also, in my firm, i get 27 days off per year, works out to 5.5 weeks? but that is vacation/personal/sick all combined. they dont care what i do on those days, but i only get 27. these practices are standard with most corporate law firms in the city.

as for vacation time in america, i'd concur that the average is really only 2-3 weeks in the corporate world.

btw, if it was a choice between king soopers, safeway, and albertsons in boulder, i'd still go for the king soopers. assuming of course there wasnt a whole foods, or wild oats nearby  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:55 am

At the company I work for anything under 40 hours is considered part time. But, when you average 20 hours per week for the quarter you are eligible for full benefits... medical, dental, vision, etc.... even domestic partner benefits...

I think Concord hit the nail on the head with his answer to the 37 hour week.. In most retail operations I know of, overtime is a serious no-no... it throws the labor percentages off... I personally don't schedule any of my employees for more than 37 hours (except for myself and my salaried employees). That way, if someone works an extra half hour here, or an hour there, they aren't over their 40 and I don't have to send them home early on the last day of the week.

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RE: 37 Hours, Part Time Or No

Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:56 am

fogot to mention I personally work 50+ hours a week, but I'm salaried and I love my job....
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