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Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:08 am

Just heard on TV (a CNN? pole) that over forty percent of U.S. citizens polled think that the U.S. government should NOT turn over Saddam to the new Iraqi government at the end of the month for trial.

I'm sure this topic will be prominent at a family gathering on the wife's side this coming weekend and thought I'd ask for opinions from our international A.net forum community. Reasons pro and con will surely be presented, but I'm more interested in a 'yes' or 'no' percentage in reference to how all of you feel. Thanks, and regards....Jack
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:14 am

The crimes he committed were (for the most part) against the Iraqi people. If the US kept him, he could only be tried for crimes committed against US citizens (I presume). The choice is obvious.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:17 am

Maybe we could trade him for oil or something.

Not like he is going to get much of a trial, this is all just to determine who gets to decide if he gets life imprisonment or death.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:42 am

They should. It would validate the new "independent" iraq.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:16 am

Well, whatever happens to him, it needs to happen to him in an Iraqi court.

Maybe we could promise to guard him, while they judge him.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:18 am

Give him to the Iraqis. They suffered under him...they can handle him.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 4:31 am

I just don't trust the people that would guard him.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqi Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:34 am

I don't think they have an option. AFAIK according to the international law they have to give him to Iraqi on June 30th.

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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:14 pm

Thanks for the replies; all UNDERWHELMING total of you. Hmmmm....evidently most people here are more intersested in bashing/supporting their favorite love/hate politics instead of a simple answer.

Thanks, again, JGH1A, Captoveur,Mr99, Jamesag96, L188 (I had a li'l right-seat time in Electras back in the 1970s , Mr.L  Smile ) and Jarek. Y'all take care and I appreciate the replies...Jack
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:07 pm

They need to make a sitcom with Saddam starring in it. It would be kind of like Dennis the Menace and Saddam would play a role similar to Mr. Wilson, with some annoying kid next door constantly harassing him and making it difficult to run his dictatorship.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:17 pm

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I say give him back. The only reason to put someone on trial in an international court is if the home country does not have an effective judicial system, and if America wants to show the world that Iraq now has an independant, legitimate, and soveriegn government, they have to let Saddam be tried in his own country.

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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:18 pm


We have to turn Saddam over to the New Govmt of Iraq, it is what we said we would do from the very beginning.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:23 pm

Wouldnt it be the end all, if we give the Iraqi people Saddam to have for trial, then they release him and he regains his power, Say they "elect" him some how. Then saddam orders the US troops out of the region.

As improbable as this sounds, could you imagine if something like that happened.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:59 pm

I might be the only one who feels this way but I think Saddam should be turned over to the Hague and have a open trial where the World could hear the true depth of the tyranny and pain Saddam caused the people of Iraq (and Iran).

I don't think the World really has a clue to the crimes he committed, and Im afraid that the Iraqi's would just lynch him real quick without any trial, not that Im worried about Saddam getting fair treatment but I think the truth about what he did needs to come out and he needs to answer questions.
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:14 am

Maybe we could trade him for oil or something.

I hope that was just a joke...

I agree with an earlier statement. If Saddam is given back to the Iraqis and not immediatly executed, its just a matter of time before he rises to power. It happened before, why couldn't it happen again? Especially when many people in Iraq are expressing the feeling that things were bad under Saddam, but are worse now that he's gone.

Who in the country has the power to return relative peace and order but someone who is ruthless? The US is losing control even with the enormous military capability and ruthless actions.

I might be the only one who feels this way but I think Saddam should be turned over to the Hague and have a open trial where the World could hear the true depth of the tyranny and pain Saddam caused the people of Iraq (and Iran).


The US has pretty much turned its back on the World Court. Much like it has turned its back on the UN in this matter. Why should the World Court now adopt the mess the US has made? There is a chance that Saddam would be exhonorated on a technicality or be released on lack of evidence.

The whole issue is pretty much a moot point anyway, as even if the Iraqis elevated Saddam to power, he will be little if no threat to the US. As little as he ever was.

 
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:29 am

Maybe we could trade him for oil or something.

Boy, there's a great idea. The man committed crimes against the Iraqi people, by the U.S. shouldn't give him up unless Iraq gives US something.

I will take that as a joke, unless told otherwise. He's an Iraqi, he lives in Iraq. His crimes were against the country of Iraq. Give him up. If you don't this talk of Iraq being more free is a sham.

I just don't trust the people that would guard him.

Life just sucks, L-188. Let Iraq handle him.

And what do we do if Iraq lets him walk, or seek asylum, or finds him "not guilty"? Does the U.S. interfere, and take him back? We'll see how "autonomous" Iraq will be in such a situation.

Wouldnt it be the end all, if we give the Iraqi people Saddam to have for trial, then they release him and he regains his power, Say they "elect" him some how. Then saddam orders the US troops out of the region.

As improbable as this sounds, could you imagine if something like that happened?


There was a poll out on one of the networks the other day-prolly CNN, that said 35% of Iraqi's want Saddam back in power, so, while far-fetched, I think such a scenario is possible, under the right circumstances.
 
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RE: Should U.S. 'give' Saddam To New Iraqii Govmt?

Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:41 am

STT757:

I might be the only one who feels this way but I think Saddam should be turned over to the Hague and have a open trial where the World could hear the true depth of the tyranny and pain Saddam caused the people of Iraq (and Iran).

I agree with you that he should be turned over to an international recognized tribunal. There’s only one such Tribunal and that’s the International Criminal Court in The Hague (the Netherlands). The ICC can only act in case Saddam is not put on trial in Iraq (for whatever reason). Given Bush’s latests statements on the handover of Saddam to the Iraqi people, some concern about Saddam being put on trial in Iraq at all are not too far fetched.

I don't think the World really has a clue to the crimes he committed, and Im afraid that the Iraqi's would just lynch him real quick without any trial,...

I don’t agree with you on that one. There’s also another group of people that would like to see Saddam dead asap, although they never say so. If Saddam were to be put up in trial in, let’s say, The Hague, he might just start telling everyone which countries supported his attack on Iran, where he got his military intelligence from on Iranian military positions, which countries provided him with biological weapons, which multinational oil companies tried to buy his oil after he gassed the Kurds, etc., etc.

The fact that the US, under this administration, is not a signatory of the ICC, does not mean Saddam can’t be put on trial there. Iraq might decide to sign up, eventually. In this regard, it might be interesting to know that while all military operations in Iraq are normally labelled as ‘Coalition Operations’, Saddam is in American Custody, probably because other ‘Coalition Members’ are signatories of the ICC. If Saddam would have been in the custody of ‘Coalition Forces’, the US would have had a hard time in avoiding Saddam be put on trial at the ICC, IMHO.
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