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48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:10 pm

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/files/2004_0621_letter.html


the modal republican response:

"nah, they are stupid liberal communists who dunno what they are talking about. they even believe in evolution! how supid must the nobel commision be to have them nominated! wheres my bud..."
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:17 pm

You know, the Nobel Prize (note for the average Republican voter: awarded in Sweden) is sooo "Old Europe"Big grin
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:26 pm


Rabenschalg,

Just a quick correction, at the end, we then say..."where's my bud light?" Most of us are tying to go for the low carbs.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:29 pm

blah blah blah those guys are tree hugging wannabe eurotrash anyway, bush/cheney 04!!!
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:37 pm

Yeah, and North Korean president Kim Jong Il wants Kerry elected too. AS well as Fidel Castro, and numerous leaders of Great countries.

So since when do we allow 48 individual peoples the only say in who becomes a US president?
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:45 pm

Re: So since when do we allow 48 individual peoples the only say in who becomes a US president?

48 people whose combined IQ is greater than that of Arkansas, Kansas and Nebraska combined ! And anyway, they're not deciding who is President, they are simply making a suggestion. It's a free country.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 8:50 pm

JGPH1,
Your post would have been just as effective if you would have said they're not deciding who is President, they are simply making a suggestion. It's a free country and not given that derrogatory comment prior to this statement.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:05 pm

The comment was not to indicate that the 3 states in question have low IQ - they are just not very densely populated, is all ! Exaggeration for effect, no insult intended.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:13 pm

"48 people whose combined IQ is greater than that of Arkansas"

you might be offending the hermans on this board with that one, after all arkansas=germany
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:54 pm

Note that not a single one of these has a Nobel prize in economics. What does that say?  Insane
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:01 pm

"Yeah, and North Korean president Kim Jong Il wants Kerry elected too."

Why? He seems to be doing rather well under Bush.

"48 people whose combined IQ is greater than that of Arkansas, Kansas and Nebraska combined !"

ROFL !
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:04 pm

Note that not a single one of these has a Nobel prize in economics. What does that say?

I've been waiting for such a brilliant and witty comment probably coming from an MBA, right? Well, since these 48 do not say a single word about economics I guess it's safe to say: They stick to their field of expertise, unlike certain other people!!  Big grin

And us economists are definitely NOT better politicians than others, don't overestimate yourself!

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:05 pm

Jay,

Didn't William Jefferson Clinton hail from Arkansas? Don't the people of that state just love him?
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:19 pm

Economics: the only discipline in which two people can win a Nobel Prize for saying exactly the opposite thing.  Big grin
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:23 pm

"Didn't William Jefferson Clinton hail from Arkansas? Don't the people of that state just love him?"

Dunno.
Was never a Clinton fan, and even less inclined to visit Arkansas.
So, I guess its time for you to pull your Clinton Obsession-meter (that handy-dandy toy to satisfy the lusty pants of every rightwinger's Clinton mania) out of your ass and consult it for answers.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:28 pm

Jay,

In your typical fashion, you attack me instead of addressing the issue. I'm not Clinton obsessed in any way. If you read my posts, you'd see that I believe that WJC did many good things in his public service and also made many bad decisions in his private life.

Your post implicitly attacks the intelligence of millions of people living in a couple of states. I was just pointing out that the people in one of those states had the intelligence (or lack thereof - depending on one's political persuasion) to elect WJC their governor a couple of times and set him up to be POTUS.

Jay, you need to find a way to address your anger. Perhaps getting out from behind your desk and going into court like a real lawyer would allow you to funnel that rage into more productive channels.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:30 pm

"I'm not Clinton obsessed in any way."

Tee hee.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:31 pm

Yeah, and North Korean president Kim Jong Il wants Kerry elected too. AS well as Fidel Castro, and numerous leaders of Great countries.

Yeah, and the KKK and the Aryan Nation and the like prefer Bush get re-elected, Galaxy5. If you want to pull extremists out of your butt for one side, you might as well pull them out on the other. Note: WHO CARES WHAT THE EXTREMISTS ON EITHER SIDE WANT. All you did is show again you appalling ignorance.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:33 pm

So what?

The Nobel prizes have been a joke ever since they started giving them for political reasons to people like the terrorist Arafat, the U.N. and Jimmy Carter.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:34 pm

Andreas -

I'm certainly not discounting the importance of science or medicine have on civilization, not attacking the intelligence of any of these scientist. However, as members of Pres. Clinton's campaign staff astutely stated, "It's the economy stupid," referring to the fact that US presidential elections are largely determined on the economic condition of the country.

As such I find it remarkable that Sen Kerry couldn't find a single Noble Prize winner in economics to endorse him and his economic policies.

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That being said, my degrees are in accounting (undergrad and grad), finance (post-bacc) and poly sci (post bacc). No MBA for me.

What area of economics do you specialize in?

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:43 pm

I think its very telling that men like Harold Varmus (former director of the NIH, and current Head of Sloan Kettering) and David Baltimore who head up enormous cutting-edge research institutions and are not only major scientists but also men who manage multi-billion dollar institutions have endorsed Kerry.






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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:51 pm

B757300, is there a single Nobel Peace prize on that list? No? OK, so, before you start saying that Nobel prizes are shit, just try to make the difference between scientific ones (even if I doubt economics would fit into that field  Big thumbs up, just a joke), and the Nobel Peace prize, which I agree, has become extremely political.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:51 pm

Jay,

You are absolutely right. The intelligence of these people cannot be discounted, but likewise, the fact that not a single Nobel Prize winner in economics has signed on sends a message.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 10:55 pm

48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

and let's not forget the thousands of "crack whores" waiting for their next welfare check so they can buy some more rock who really support Kerry. Without people like him they would have to work for a living.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:02 pm

"The intelligence of these people cannot be discounted, but likewise, the fact that not a single Nobel Prize winner in economics has signed on sends a message."

You really have no idea what the historical impact of Varmus and Baltimore on R&D and the management of huge scientific budgets and personnel are, do you?

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:15 pm


jeffM wrote;

48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

and let's not forget the thousands of "crack whores" waiting for their next welfare check so they can buy some more rock who really support Kerry. Without people like him they would have to work for a living.


hey jeffM,

that is one cool attitude you are expressing in your post! just as you, i always felt that the credibility of crack whores and those damn nobel laureates is at the same level!

you dont need an experts view to see things straight, dont you?


cheers, r.

 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:18 pm

Jay,

Why do you insist on picking a fight when none exists? I did have some knowledge of Varmus and his accomplishments but not of Baltimore. Instead of being an ass, why don't you try to share what they did and why you think they are great. It's obviously right up your alley given your education.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:21 pm

Yes, and those crack whores REALLY do line up to vote, don't they.

Day in the life of a crack whore:

4 AM: Go to street corner to buy crack.
6 AM: Finish crack. Need some more, but really want to go vote for Kerry.
7 AM: Line up outside polling booth. Desperately need some crack now, but really have to vote for Kerry to make Nobel Laureates in Medicine happy.
8 AM: Damn that polling booth attendant ! She wants a voter registration card. Whats a crack whore to do?
8:05 AM: Really pissed off now. Need some crack, and this biddy at the polling booth is being a b*tch.
8:10 AM: Leave polling booth. Pissed off. Need some crack. Maybe will get to vote in next election. Whenever that may be.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:23 pm

..you dont need an experts view to see things straight, dont you?

absolutely not... remember, "experts" built the Titanic...
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:25 pm

"absolutely not... remember, "experts" built the Titanic..."

And an idiot who demanded "Full steam ahead" sunk her.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:26 pm

N6376m:

A good combination, mine is: Corporate Finance (specializing in capital markets) and Accounting (specializing in adaption of US-GAAP and IFRS on EU (4./7. Directive) companies. In my paper I tried to find (and I did!) evidence that the application of certain accounting principles does influence your cost of capital.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:29 pm

JeffM wrote

..you dont need an experts view to see things straight, dont you?

absolutely not... remember, "experts" built the Titanic...



never thought you were that liberal! i always thought that trusting authorities was a central value of conservatism. authorities like god, daddy, or "the law". but just like you do, i prefer to listen to my own drummer  Wink/being sarcastic

[Edited 2004-06-22 16:30:49]
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:36 pm

Only JeffM would equate Nobel laureates with crack whores.

Unfortunately, that shows you-and Jcs has done the same thing on here-what some conservatives thing of the poorer end of American-they stereotype them as crack addicts, welfare cheats and the like, when most are no such thing.

It makes it easier for them to swallow supply-side economics that way, by deamonizing the poor. It isn't the truth in most cases, but it does help one to justify their dumping on the poor and promoting the wealthy when it comes to economic policy.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:40 pm

Well just because a few liberal drum beaters like to catagorize me as a Bush "yes man" doesn't mean they are even close to the truth now does it? One can easily have "liberal" ideals in a more conservative mind set. What is ironic is the so called moderates and liberals have such a hard time understanding that concept..  Big grin
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:48 pm

Well just because a few liberal drum beaters like to catagorize me as a Bush "yes man" doesn't mean they are even close to the truth now does it?

Jeff, I only say you're a "yes man" because you are so reluctant to critisize the man on anything, and are usually right in the fray of defending him on anything. That doesn't make you a bad person, but I think it does make you as close to a Bush yes man as one can be. Of course, you don't come close to the king of the "yes men" on here, who shall remain nameless.  Smile

One can easily have "liberal" ideals in a more conservative mind set.

You'll get no arguement from me on that point, and the opposite is true as well, as I am seen here as liberal, but I have many conservative positions. Most people aren't "party line" when it comes to their individual beliefs. A few of the extremists on either side are, and I shall not bring up their names here, but most of us are more centrist to the left or right than we sometimes admit.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:10 am

"Why do you insist on picking a fight when none exists?"

You did. I wasnt the one who raised the Arkanas comment. I just found it amusing. Another instance where the pots calling the kettle black.

"I did have some knowledge of Varmus and his accomplishments but not of Baltimore."

Look it up. The internet is free. My services are not.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:14 am

Yet another example of Academia being the bastion for all things left.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:18 am

Yeah, and North Korean president Kim Jong Il wants Kerry elected too. AS well as Fidel Castro, and numerous leaders of Great countries.

No shit sherlock...and I'll bet you can add Bin Laden to that list, as well as Saddam, if he was still in power. Those guys KNOW they'll be able to get away with shit if Kerry is in office, because he'll stick his head up his ass, and have absolutely no stance on foreign policy. I'd like to know how many of these "great" countries are part of the middle east, or the EU...

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:22 am

Jay you keep touting the high value of your services but you spend an incredible amount of time on this message board. It appears that there aren't enough people willing to pay for these services so that you have all this time to spend?

As for me looking up Baltimore, you're the one indicating that he's so important a figure. If you want to share your enthusiasms for the man, the show us. If not, don't waste our time just so you can hear yourself talk.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:24 am

Yes, James, learning is such a waste, isn't it? I mean, who need education?
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:29 am

"If not, don't waste our time just so you can hear yourself talk. "

Learn to use the internet. As I said, its free. As is your time, apparently.
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:37 am

I love how B757300 totally denounces their commitment and intelligence.

I also love how Jeff can compare a crack whore to a nobel prize laureate...

I'd compare our current president with a crack whore for unspecified reasons instead... but that's just me.  Big thumbs up
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:44 am

"Yes, James, learning is such a waste, isn't it? I mean, who need education?"

Apparently you do to have such a response to my comment.

I never said anything negative about education. I was merely pointing out what is widely known...that Academics tend to be leftist in their beliefs.


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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:46 am

Some of the greatest minds of our time voice a political opinion, and the Republican Noise Machine engages in its usual rampage of belittling, making a spectacle of its own ignorance and stupidity.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:52 am

Most acedemics, who are worth their salt, try to challenge people to think, to question, to test, to not just accept things as a given. I don't see that as such a bad thing.

The worst thing, to me, you could be labled as, is a conservative academic. I mean, conservaitves, by nature, want the status quo, or to turn the clock back. Who wants an acedemic who is backward-looking?

If mankind had relied on conservative thinking in it's history, we'd all still be living in caves, and slinging rocks at each other.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:20 am

I completely agree with your comments regarding academics and their duties to those that are learning. The problem arises when academics use their position to push their own agendas, which lean heavily to the left, on impressionable minds.

I think too, that your generalizations are over simplified and without merit.

A "conservative" academic, which are few and far between to be sure, should not be dismissed as backward looking.

I know several professors who are card carrying democrats that take great care not to indoctrinate their students, which is becoming a serious issue on campuses (Campusi?  Smile) across the country. I also know a few, and of several, that use the lecture hall as an opportunity to push their own personal politics, which in my opinion is a shame.

I am not saying that these 48 folks are doing that, I am just refering to the over-abundance of leftist thought found in academics.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:31 am

Most acedemics[sic], who are worth their salt, try to challenge people to think...

What's the old saying? "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach." People learn a hell of lot more on the job then ever do in some stuffy classroom.

I mean, conservaitves[sic], by nature, want the status quo...

Really? Gee, the way I see it the Liberals are the ones who are ALWAYS fearful of loosing the very thing that keeps them in power - a dependent social welfare class. They have done a pretty good job of seeing to it that "victim class" has a voice in Congress.
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:24 am

For the record, I did not compare a "crack whore" with a Nobel Laureate. I simply put them in the same group....Kerry supporters. Big difference.

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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:22 am

As George A. Akerlof (2001 Nobel Prize in Economics) said in Spiegel online:

"Akerlof: I think this is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history. It has engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not only in foreign and economic but also in social and environmental policy. This is not normal government policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil disobedience."

"Akerlof: For some reason the American people does not yet recognize the dire consequences of our government budgets. It's my hope that voters are going to see how irresponsible this policy is and are going to respond in 2004 and we're going to see a reversal."

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,258983,00.html
 
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RE: 48 Nobel Laureates Urge US-Voters To Go For Kerry

Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:29 am

Akerlof, lists Bush, below Nixon, Johnson and Clinton.

This guy isnt' that brilliant, particually outside his field.
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