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Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:13 pm

What do some you think is the most liberal state in our union? What I want to judge it on is voting record and some state policies. Some Canidates:

- California

- New York

- Massachusettes

- Vermont

- Washington

- Oregon

- Nevada

Your Thoughts?
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:17 pm

Massachusettes.....They also have two of the most liberal Senators, Kennedy and Kerry.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:25 pm

1. Massachusetts
2. California


Nevada doesn't belong on that list, however.


And yes, the two most backward and un-progressive states in the union are

1. Misssissippi
2. Alabama

I never really did appreciate all of those "thank God for Mississippi" jokes, though.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:25 pm

Where does Michigan look? Because from where I am, it seems way too conservative.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:26 pm

Each has its very own category

California - Very enviornmental, leftover from the flower-age, women empowerment, save the trees and the animals type of liberal

New York - Very Stalinistic, everybody should be equal, Eliot Spitzers sue the rich until we go blind, you cant smoke that here, give everything to the poor, tax the shit out of upstate and give to us New Yorkers, money money money, we are a bunch of has beens type of liberal

Massachusettes - A very yuppy, trendy, with new money comes brave new ideas, give the gay people a break but run the Church into the ground type of liberal.

Vermont - All we have to love are trees, animals and syrup, plus all the Yuppie liberals from Massachusettes vacation here so we listen to them because they give us money type of liberals.

Washington - California was getting crowded and Oregon wasn't as pretty, so we'll make airplanes and windows type of liberals.

Oregon - We can't make up our minds so we'll live here type of liberals.

Nevada - What happens in Nevada stays in Nevada, type of liberals.




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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:30 pm

California has it's very left wing areas such as San Fransico and Berkley, but I can't list it #1 or #2. It was the state that gave us the greatest 20th century leader, Ronald Reagan.

As far as Left wing states, I think that honor goest to the east coast, Massachusettes, Vermont, New York being the major ones holding this country back.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:46 pm

I think of Oregon and Washington as being Mother Earth News type liberals (and yes, I subscribe to that magazine).


L-188, but California's so darn BIG and POPULOUS. That makes it outrank such relative lightweights as Vermont.


Michigan's not too terribly bad (I think) except for the People's Republic of Madison.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:33 pm

I am suprised Hawaii didn't make the list. It's very Democratic. However, I am glad that my state of California made the list.  Big thumbs up


MD-90:
Michigan's not too terribly bad (I think) except for the People's Republic of Madison.

 Confused Are you refering to Madison, Wisconsin?
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:48 pm

Crap, I did mean Madison, Wisconsin.


Yes, definately Madison, WISCONSIN.

 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 8:54 pm

"A very yuppy, trendy, with new money comes brave new ideas..."

New money? In Massachussetts? Are you joking?

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:49 pm

based on the votes of the last 3 Presidential elections, the following states vote consistantly DNC.

California 1988
Connecticut 1988
Delaware 1988
District of Colombia 1964
Illinois 1988
Iowa 1984
Maine 1988
Maryland 1988
Massachusetts 1984
Michigan 1988
Minnesota 1972
New Jersey 1988
New Mexico 1988
New York 1988
Oregon 1984
Pennsylvania 1988
Rhode Island 1984
Vermont 1988
Washington 1984
Wisconsin 1984

Given is the last election in which they voted GOP. From that, I think we can conclude that Minnesota and the District of Colombia are America's most liberal states/districts.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:47 am

Hmmm....Strange that no one mentioned Minnesota until L.1011, considering we've not voted for a republican president since 1972...The only state to do so. We've been getting more conservative, but hopefully that will change.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:18 am

New money? In Massachussetts? Are you joking?


That one caught my attention as well... and not just for the spelling  Laugh out loud

...dude, Massachusetts has about the oldest money in N.America
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:37 am

I would define liberal by:
1. general state legislation on so-called liberal issues, and/or
2. nation-leading trends on liberal ideals, and/or
3. a strong voting Dem voting record.

Hence, I think California, Hawaii, Minnesota & Massachusetts apply the most.

Minnesota is often called the most Canadian state since it not only borders Canada, but is considered very Democratic and egalitarian.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:47 am

"...and not just for the spelling..."

Ahem... touche.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:58 am

The reason Hawaii did not make the list is because we are seeing the error of our past ways. We have voted in a Republican Governor for the first time in about 40 years and people here are tired of the same old go nowhere philosophy.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:01 am

Strange that no one mentioned Minnesota

Don't we have Minnesota to thank for Walter Mondale?
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:04 am

I think you all must have missed the Revolution in California over the past three years.

 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:12 am

How about top 5 most conservative states in the union?
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:21 am

Most conservative states? Well, my home state of Utah has definitely got to be up there.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:49 am

I'll take a stab at that.

1. Alabama
2. South Carolina
3. Mississippi
4. Texas
5. Tie Georgia/Tennessee
7. Utah

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:31 am

But with Massachusetts there is a young generation of the older money which could arguably be considered new money. Pardon the spelling error.. Late at night you know. But there is that constant influx of new money in there.. where there are yuppies (aka Young Urban Professionals) there is new money.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:01 pm

I'm going to have to agree that my home state (Massachusetts) is one of if not the most liberal states in the country. It is certainly in the top 3! You know what's ironic too? My next door neighbor is a liberal from Texas, living next to us, the conservatives from Massachusetts. Who would've thought? I plan to actually move out of Massachusetts to New Hampshire as soon as I'm officially on my own, New Hampshire is the only New England state that is that actually has more Republicans than Democrats (of course I have numerous other reasons other than politics that I'd rather live there). Our governor Mitt Romney is pretty conservative though.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:05 pm

"But with Massachusetts there is a young generation of the older money which could arguably be considered new money."

Well, I'm not going to sit here and debate about the definition of "new" or "old" money, but Massachusetts, at least the part I live in, is very, very old money.

The yuppies still don't make enough have any "money," new or old-- the cost of living around here ensures that! For example, my sister, a single computer programmer, graduated from Harvard and now makes ~$70k per year. She lives in a modest two-bedroom apartment in the suburbs and drives a Volkswagon. Her extravagances include a Tivo and a gym membership. Her car and student loans are paid off. She's more comfortable than most, but she's not "new money" (and she sure isn't "old money!")

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:16 pm

NormalSpeed, you hit on it.

I don't understand where some of my counterparts get their supposed money from. Unless a) it's from mommy and daddy or b) they are carrying tons of debt.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:54 pm

I think I will have to go with Massachusetts. California is not at all liberal like many people claim. its North and South are polarized like the Left and Right. And like the Left and Right, we need each other to survive.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:47 pm

Hey GD727,

I'm also looking for a place in N.H.--I got a job up there.

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:11 pm

If going by state delegations at congress it would be a tie between Hawaii, South Dakota, North Dakota and Massachussets - they all have exclusively democratic delegations. Of those states Massachussets is by far the most populous. Clearly though state delegations are not the best indicator.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:10 pm

It hasn't been mentioned yet, but Maryland is another liberal state, at least if you go by Democratic voting patterns. It's one of the relatively few states that's a guaranteed sure thing for Kerry in the upcoming election. As with most other liberal states, Maryland probably has some areas that are more moderate, but they're outvoted by the liberal sections.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:21 am

I find this thread quite interesting. American politics has always amazed me. America - supposed to be the land of the free, life, liberty, happiness and all that, but yet some of the laws are so far right and behind the times.

Texas - where kids are taught to have sex after marriage, and not taught about the use of condoms and so on. But yet has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates.

Gay partnership rights? They exist in only a minority of states and the President who wants to alter the constitution because of his religious beliefs.

You can't drink until your 21, but its fine to have a gun at 18 (correct me if I'm wrong).

Its not law to wear a motorcycle helmet in all states!

So, which is the most liberal state?
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:09 am

Michigan is not a liberal state. The urban cores of Michigan are liberal. Detroit, Lansing, Flint, places like Benton Harbor.. etc. Anywhere there are minorities. More and more these places are determining the political makeup of Michigan. Our two senators are Democrats, but I believe our House delegation is more Republican. Our Governor is democrat, but our Attorney General isnt and neither is our Secretary of State (both of which we vote for).

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:14 am

You know New York State has a Republican Governor since '94, and NYC itself is on it's 3rd term of a Republican Mayor ( Giulianni 2x, Bloomberg).

So I don't think New York is a Left Wing as People think, even California now has a Republican Governor.

Vermont, Massachusets, Oregon and Washington are the bastions for the Liberal Movement.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:29 am

California has always had the label of being the Granola State, what's not a fruit or a nut is a flake. That label doesn't really seem appropriate as some of the most staunch conservative Republican strongholds in the country are in California. People get the impression that California is a liberal state because of San Francisco and Hollywood.

The South has always been seen as a very Conservative region, even though many of the states were controlled by the Democratic Party (Of course the DP of 50+ years ago is nothing like the DP of today). With the Democratic Party moving more towards the left again, many Democrats are being enticed into joining the Republican Party. Georgia is a great example of this. Our current Governor, Sonny Purdue, is a former Democrat who switched parties a few years before running for Governor. The main reason why he switched is because he knew he couldn't make the lineup in the Democratic Party machine in Georgia (Pretty much the next governor was always the Lt. Gov. under the Governor. Zell Miller was Lt. Gov, under Joe Frank Harris, Roy Barnes was Lt. Gov. under Miller.) The Democratic Party pretty much controlled the top three positions in state government (Gov., Lt. Gov., Secretary of State) and the Republicans had no chance in Hell of winning those offices. Prior to Purdue's election in 2002, the highest state office the Republicans held was State School Superintendant, and had held on to that office since the 1980s. When Purdue was elected, he was able to entice enough State Senators to switch parties that the control of the State Senate went to the Republicans; a similar thing occurred in the State Legislature, but he could not get enough people to switch parties so the Republicans would control both houses in Georgia. Purdue got elected not because of his party affliation, he got elected based on ill will towards Gov. Barnes, who alienated enough voters with the entire State Flag issue and alienated enough educators with some of his initatives to lose the election. The State Flag Issue is not dead yet, even with the results of the Statewide referendum that made the new flag official. There is a group (The Georgia Heritage Coalition, which from looking at their website is a bunch of folks that probably attend KKK rallies in their spare time) that is making an concerted effort to get every politician that voted for bill that created the new flag voted out of office, and are even calling for a boycott of Delta because tha group claims that Delta (along with other members of the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce) are pushing their politcal agenda along through the State Legislature. They are also pushing boycotts of Coke, Home Depot, and MARTA.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:56 am

I'll take a stab at that.

1. Alabama
2. South Carolina
3. Mississippi
4. Texas
5. Tie Georgia/Tennessee
7. Utah




Hey Md-90: Weren't all these conservative states slave states, except for Utah?

...umm, different kind of slavery in Utah's case.  Big grin
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:46 am

"You can't drink until your 21, but its fine to have a gun at 18 (correct me if I'm wrong)."

True. I can now go buy a rifle and a shotgun as we speak. Although in MN you cant get a handgun until you are 21. Thankfully we just passed a Conceal and Carry law so when I turn 21 I can hop on over to the gun store after stopping at the bar!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:49 am

I'll add Montana to the conservative list...

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:51 am

California has always had the label of being the Granola State, what's not a fruit or a nut is a flake. That label doesn't really seem appropriate as some of the most staunch conservative Republican strongholds in the country are in California. People get the impression that California is a liberal state because of San Francisco and Hollywood.

Dead on man. With the Exception of LA county, the Bay area and a coupel of small coastal towns, California is VERY conservative. You couldn't elect a Democrat in come counties, and the state is becoming more conservative every day. Especially after what Davis and a Democratic Majority in the state legislature did to the state financially.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:16 pm

STT757:

"You know New York State has a Republican Governor since '94, and NYC itself is on it's 3rd term of a Republican Mayor ( Giuliani 2x, Bloomberg).

So I don't think New York is a Left Wing as People think, even California now has a Republican Governor. "

Yes but they don't get a whole lot of their agenda's accomplished because of the 2/3 Democratic majority in both the state house and the senate. Here in upstate the democrats far outnumber the republicans. Republicans are voted in when change is necessary for the survival of the state. Things got so bad after Cuomo, and before that Rockefeller that we really needed some new blood to clean up the mess. The state was practically bankrupt. High taxes, incredible yet dysfunctional social programs that the state cannot support, generous pensions for state employees, not to mention the overwhelming costs to maintain the one of the highest if not the highest per capita expense on students with nothing more to show than nearly half the state failing the math exam a few years ago. Yes that's another thing, centralized statewide school system, many states with better schools have a far less bureaucratic approach. In the 8 counties around Buffalo there are 97 school districts. That is 97 superintendents earning easily over $100,000 not to mention the red tape that supports the entire district, plus the fact that more people are leaving than coming, its ridiculous. Its very backasswards, and most of it was liberal policies that have not been changed since the 30's. There is just too much government and too much red tape, and we need to really cut some of these jobs, and focus on the basics. Instead of trying to please everybody while bleeding away the middle class in this state by the 100s of thousands every decade, we need to gain them back. Slash taxes, slash social programs, slash pay, reorganize and consolidate. Its a necessary progressive approach to getting our liberal system into functional order.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:30 pm

If it was a state I'd say Washington D.C.

But since it isn't, I'd have to say it would be Kalifornia, Vermont (YYEEAARRGGHH!), or the People's Homosexual Republic of Massachusetts.

States like Washington, New York, and Illinois could also fall into those categories not so much because the entire state is liberal but because one city (Seattle/Tacoma, NYC, Chicago) totally control state politics due to their large populations when compared with the rest of the state.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:35 pm

Especially after what Davis and a Democratic Majority in the state legislature did to the state financially.

There are plenty of stones to throw at Democratic politics in California, that is not one of them. Totally misinformed. The seeds sprouted decades ago and this state's financial problems are structural first, political second.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:54 pm

As someone I know has said,

Sherunstoomuch: tell them to just screw it, and face the fact. maryland doesn't know what side it is batting for. its a switch hitter state, and everybody knows it.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:03 pm

You can't drink until your 21, but its fine to have a gun at 18 (correct me if I'm wrong).

It is 21 to own a handgun in California. Note the use of own.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:10 pm

It's 21 to drink in Alabama like every other state because of the federal government's extortion, but Alabama's gun ownership age is 18.

Usually boys get their first BB gun around 9-10, first air rifle around 12 or so.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:54 am

based on the votes of the last 3 Presidential elections, the following states vote consistently DNC.

California 1988
Connecticut 1988
Delaware 1988
District of Colombia 1964
Illinois 1988
Iowa 1984
Maine 1988
Maryland 1988
Massachusetts 1984
Michigan 1988
Minnesota 1972
New Jersey 1988
New Mexico 1988
New York 1988
Oregon 1984
Pennsylvania 1988
Rhode Island 1984
Vermont 1988
Washington 1984
Wisconsin 1984


Actually, Reagan carried Massachusetts in 1984 (although most Bay State voters voted Democrat for its Legislative candidates that year) and Dukakis almost lost his home state to George H.W. Bush in 1988. The Duke only carried about 55% of Massachusetts' popular vote.

Nonetheless, my former homestate has laid the groundwork for Democratic politicians (T. Kennedy, Barney Frank, and Gerry Studds (thankfully he's finally gone)) getting away with nearly everything but are still viewed and revered as icons.

The late-Jerry Williams (a former-Boston area talk-radio host) once stated back in the 80s that Ted Kennedy could commit murder on live television and still get re-elected to office.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:18 pm

Oregon and Washington are the bastions for the Liberal Movement

Drive 20 miles outside of Portland or Seattle. Further you get out, the more conservative it gets. Ever drive on I-5? There's a HUGE billboard up on the side of the highway, aimed at driver's in both directions, with conservative messages. The latest? "John Kerry...a man who thinks twice before saying nothing!"

Anywhow...Oregon nearly voted for W in 2000, he lost it by less than 1%, and could decide the election this year. Gore only won WA by 5%. If you look at the election returns by county, the majority of OR and WA would be "red" ! Same as Illinois, California, and many other states.

I can't help but laugh at the fools who want to get rid of the electoral college! Guess what happens then? Any given Democratic candidate only has to campaign in SF, LA, Chicago, NYC, and Boston, and he wins by a landslide. Why would there even be a reason to stop in Seattle or Miami or Denver or Atlanta? Talk about not having my vote count... Insane
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 12:59 pm

StevenUhl777:
You also left out the Nader vote in 2000. It was like 7% in Oregon. So the combined anti-Bush vote was still a majority (50%+).

California, Vermont and New York may have Republican governors but that doesn't mean that there was any reactionary shift in ideology in these states.
Wyoming, Kansas and North Carolina have Democratic governors and those states are far more conservative.

Interesting how Vermont, Minnesota, Hawaii, Washington and Oregon have very low crime rates and high standard of living (good schools, clean enviornment, high property value) yet the conservative states like Texas and Florida are sespools of pollution, crime, poor schools etc...

It sure is a good thing to live in the liberal states.  Smokin cool
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:02 pm

Vermont, Minnesota, Hawaii, Washington and Oregon

Yeah, because they have a lot of rich white folks.
 
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 pm

MD-90:
Hawaii is a poor state. The only rich folks there are the White transplants that are out of sync with the rest of the states voting patterns. Just look at ClipperHawaii. Not exactly an accurate example of Hawaiians.

Texas and Florida are sespools because of that selfish arrogant conservative attitude catches up with you very quick. That's why Galveston Bay looks like raw sewage and Texas ranks as one of the most polluted states in the nation. The high death penalty rate hasn't kept crime down there either.
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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 pm

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RE: Most Liberal State?

Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:39 pm

So I don't think New York is a Left Wing as People think, even California now has a Republican Governor.

Yes, but so doesn't Massachusetts. We've had a Republican governor since Dukakis. First was William (Bill) Weld, then he resigned in a failed attempt to become an ambassador. His replacement was Argeo Paul Celucci. He, as well, resigned early to become ambassador to Canada. His replacement was the much disliked Jane Swift. She was seen as rather corrupt (used aids as babysitters and a state helicopter as a personal transport from her house out by the NY border into Boston everyday) and when it was overwhelmingly clear she would not win against Mitt Romney, she ceded. Now, Mitt Romney is our governor. Frankly, this guy scares me. He's kinda like Bush 'Lite' in that he totally lets his religion interfere with his politics. And, before people attack me about that last one, let it be known that I have nothing against religion. I defend people's right to practise their religion of choice. I start to worry when decisions that affect everyone are made with someone's personal religion in mind. I don't care how a person lives his own life spiritually, but I don't like it when someone tries to use their religion to tell me how to live mine.

Depsite that, both houses of the state legislature are Democrat, as are many of the top government positions.

But since it isn't, I'd have to say it would be Kalifornia, Vermont (YYEEAARRGGHH!), or the People's Homosexual Republic of Massachusetts.

Dude, you really need a life! You are probably the worst offender of those who can do nothing but bash their political opposites. Yes, there are those who will make comments about Republicans, but you are, by far, the worst. Let it go a bit.

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