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Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:17 am

With all the talk of this guy, and all the "good" things he says he can do on the domestic scene, I'm interested to see what his ideas are for our military and homeland defense, and how he would approach the middle east situation.

Personally, (and I know this is flamebait), but I think the man doesn't have the credentials to handle this nation on the international front...he may be able to give out all the welfare, or make sure the seniors get their medicare, but do you honestly trust this guy's defense policy (if there is sucha thing?) His "service" in the Navy was a joke, especially after tossing his medals in DC- I believe that story to be true.

Just wanting some ideas...not a political war guys.

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:24 am

Basically, in the sad even that he wins:
Kerry's going to throw himself at the feet of Annon, as he bows to the altar of the UN for each/every/all things  Insane  Yeah sure






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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:34 am

Most conservatives want to believe that, but it's a bit of ignorant naivte to think Kerry, or any U.S. President, would do what CB says. I think he'll most certianly treat the rest of the world with respect, not contempt, as our current President does, and he will discuss things with friends and allies, not shove it down their throats, as Bush did in Iraq.

In a world where there is a legit war on terror, I think he'll follow the basic outlines that Bush as, but not with the arrogance, nor with the lack of diplomacy that we've seen with this Administration. I'm still convinced, that whoever is elected, will have to expand our armed forces, and will have no choice but to keep the U.S. on a increased level of alert.

But you want this to be a bash-Kerry thread, and you know you did, DeltaGuy, so you guys go ahead, and have your fun.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:34 am

I think the man doesn't have the credentials to handle this nation on the international front... his "service" in the Navy was a joke

Not that I am a fan of Kerry's hitherto non-existant foreign policy but if you compare his credentials to those of Bush when he took the job, I think you will find that Kerry wins by a large margin thanks to his past service on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

George W. Bush's service in the Air National Guard, however honorable it might have been, also pales in comparison to Kerry's decorated service in a warzone, no matter his later actions.

There are plenty of arguments to make about why Kerry is a bad choice. However, trying to attack him over lack of qualifications on these fronts when his opponent does not compare too favorably either is not one of them.
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:42 am

but it's a bit of ignorant naivte to think Kerry, or any U.S. President, would do what CB says.

...aside from the fact that it comes straight from his own friggin' mouth, right?  Big grin



and he will discuss things with friends and allies, not shove it down their throats, as Bush did in Iraq.

...then afterwhich they still tell him to f^ck off, because their financial interests contrast with our's and/or our security, then what?

Will Kerry act against their wishes? --not a shred of current nor historical evidence to suggest he would.  Yeah sure
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 2:59 am

...then afterwhich they still tell him to f^ck off, because their financial interests contrast with our's and/or our security, then what?

You mean, like Bush has done for the last three years? My friend, you just described the foreign policy of the U.S. under your hero. I do not believe Kerry will hurt U.S. standing around the world, nor our ability to fight against the real terrorists (Iraq wasn't in that group-that was a war to help Bush get re-elected), in places like Afghanistan and the ME. He will, though, listen more to our friends and their concerns. Bush doesn't even have the sense to listen-he just does what he wants, and be damned the world. That makes us neither safer, nor more respected.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:15 am

You mean, like Bush has done for the last three years? My friend, you just described the foreign policy of the U.S. under your hero.

...and rightfully so, but you failed to answer my question.


So again: and then what?
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:09 am

Somebody correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that Kerry, in all his years in congress, has never once authored a single bill which has passed.

If that's the case, don't look to him for any (good) new ideas.

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:09 am

The answer is, as I've said, I don't think you give Kerry enough credit. You're so up the butt of the GOP you don't think anyone has the wisdom, indeed, the right or ability to defend the U.S. Therin lies the problem: you see a problem and I don't. I think Kerry will do just fine on national security. He isn't a dummy on the subject, and he'll put people around him, say like McCain for SecDef, who'll make sure things are done right, not half-assed, as Clinton often did on foreign affairs.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 4:37 am

Let see, while in the Senate Kerry voted to cut or eliminate all of the following weapon systems.

B-1B Lancer

B-2A Spirit

F-14D Tomcat

Phoenix Missile System

Sparrow Missile System

F-15 Eagle

F-16 Fighting Falcon

F-117 Nighthawk

AH-64 Apache Helicopter

M-1/A1 Abrams MBT

Patriot Missile System

Tomahawk Cruise Missile

MX (Peacekeeper) Intercontinental Ballistic Missile

SDI

Aegis Air-Defense Ships (Ticonderoga Cruisers and Arleigh Burke Destroyers)

Reactivation of the four Iowa class battleships

Voted to gut the CIA and reduce its funding by billions and leaving the U.S. without a functional intelligence network.

Voted against the 1991 Gulf War

In 1993, Introduced Plan To Cut Numerous Defense Programs, Including:

- Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews

- Reduce the number of light infantry units in the Army down to one

- Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force

- Terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program

- Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year.

In 2002 voted for war with Iraq but later voted against funding for the war including body armor for the troops. "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:16 am

Why are Americans so obsessed with the Army? A strong army is necessary for the US, but I don't think that Clinton has done a bad job (and he hasn't done a bad job, besides the critics given to him by the neocons who condemn EVERY decision taken by a Democrat, whether it's a good one or not).

Personally, Kerry isn't really my idea of a President. But Bush isn't either.

Kerry will have to deal with the whole mess caused by Bush, and for some reason, I hope that Kerry is not going to winn the next election. Like Bush doesn't represent the Republican values, Kerry doesn't represent the Democratic values in my eyes.

Let Bush do another disastrous 4 years, to give the Democrats some more time to come up with a real candidate. Although I hope that the Republicans will come up with a good alternative (McCain isn't too bad apparently), so that a Democratic President isn't necessary.

@B757300: if you think that, with your continuous hatress towards everything not extreme supportive to that idiot in the White House, you will convince other people not to vote for a Democratic President, I have to dissapoint you dude. Your hatress is even laughable.

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:23 am

Why are Americans so obsessed with the Army?

It is a massive employer, source of economic growth, provides educational oppurtunities for people who otherwise wouldn't have it, puts alot of people into scientific research, etc., etc.,

It's not that we're obsessed with the military... the economic and political rammifications of a strong military are massive.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:09 am

Speaking of the Army, Bush cant lose with Clintons Army. Less than a year after Bush taking office, the Army performed very well in Afghanistan. Two years after he took office, the Army, politics ignored, did an excellent job ousting Hussein. To be realistic, if a President pushes military expansion, it takes more than two years for the results to be seen. Congress must appropriate funding, new equipment must be built, etc. It would take at least 3-4 years for the effects to be seen. So in fact, Bush has fought and won two wars with the Army maintained by the Clinton administration, no matter how much you say he downsized it.

Back to foreign Policy:

Bush - Governor of Texas, never left the country. Doesnt know locations of many countries on a map.

Kerry - Served on the Senate Foreign Relations committee.

Foreign policy credentials: Bush 0, Kerry 1
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:37 am

The answer is, as I've said, I don't think you give Kerry enough credit.

Credit is something earned, not "given".




You're so up the butt of the GOP you don't think anyone has the wisdom, indeed, the right or ability to defend the U.S.

Wrong again.

For one thing, I'm so disgusted by the general Republican party as of late that I'll more than likely officially register as an independent post-election.

Secondly, there's PLENTY of people I'd rather see succeed in the upcoming election over President Bush, some Democrats. Unfortunately, none of them are on the ballot; and compared to John Kerry.....???

.......I'd rather a thousand ages and Dynasties of Bushs, than a fraction of a second of Kerry in power.



I think Kerry will do just fine on national security. He isn't a dummy on the subject

no, just that his voting record's been on the wrong side of history EVERY SINGLE TIME (pertaining to the subject at hand)



who'll make sure things are done right, not half-assed, as Clinton often did on foreign affairs.

Riiiiiight, which is why Bin Laden is still loose... and Saddam was able to violate as many resolutions as he did. Real bang-up job.
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:19 am

The problem with Kerry, is that he makes statements about gaining international cooperation in Iraq, but then when somebody asks him "how" he gets that deer in headlights look on his face.

Bush has been trying to do exactly that for two years now, and looks like his is finally getting that accomplished, ref Nato police training participation agreement in Istambul this week.

I see no reason to belive that Kerry would have had any greater success.
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Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:36 am

L-188: The problem with Kerry, is that he makes statements about gaining international cooperation in Iraq, but then when somebody asks him "how" he gets that deer in headlights look on his face.

Really? i doubt that.

There´s no magic involved; Just avoid the most blatant mistakes Bush has made and you´re all set: Present your interests on the international scene - just meet the others with respect while you´re doing it! That´s it.

It´s actually the same as in your personal relations. If you really shouldn´t understand this simple principle, it would make me wonder...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:47 am

B757300 brings up a very good point....and you'd continue to see this list increase if he takes office...items like the F/A-18E Super Hornet, JDAM bombs, F/A-22, the JSF, the new Aircraft Carriers, etc etc....the Dems lately have a history of getting into office, and not knowing how to use the militay power they're given...only to slash it.

Guess this one did turn into a war huh? Good stuff though, thanks B757.

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 8:56 am

Present your interests on the international scene - just meet the others with respect while you´re doing it!

What you fail to grasp is that even if he'd asked them while presenting roses/chocolate/champagne.... the French, Germans, and Russians still would have told him to piss off; if for nothing else than to protect their own [illegal] kickbacks.

The ~REAL~ question is, "what then?"

Would Kerry forge ahead with whatever resolve he had going in? The answer: NO!

Why? Because there's never been a molecular shred of evidence in his multi-decade voting/service record to suggest he would.

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:05 am

DeltaGuy, B7573000 hasn't said one good thing since he got here, and if you're using him to back you up, you don't have much to stand on.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 9:47 am

I have heard ideas are foreign to Mr. Kerry....

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:13 am

he will discuss things with friends and allies, not shove it down their throats, as Bush did in Iraq

So what happens when our friends and allies don't want us to do something we really need to do? Will the President acquiesce to their wishes, or will he, with great regret, go ahead and do what's in the best interest of our nation?

If Kerry will do the former, then he doesn't deserve to occupy the Oval Office.


Back to foreign Policy:

Bush - Governor of Texas, never left the country. Doesnt know locations of many countries on a map.

Kerry - Served on the Senate Foreign Relations committee.

Foreign policy credentials: Bush 0, Kerry 1



Your argument would only hold water if Senator Kerry were running against Governor Bush.


He's not.


George W. Bush IS actively working as President of the United States, so no matter how many credentials Kerry can muster, he still can't trump Bush's actual job experience, regardless of what you may think of Bush's performance.



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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:17 am

Governor of Texas, never left the country

Not true at all.

First of all, Bush did a ton of Gubernatorial work in Mexico.

For the sake of candor: Bush had never left the continent, nor never visited a country other than Mexico on official business.
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Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:04 am

EA CO AS: So what happens when our friends and allies don't want us to do something we really need to do? Will the President acquiesce to their wishes, or will he, with great regret, go ahead and do what's in the best interest of our nation?

What do you do when your friends don´t agree to your plans?

I hope that in case it´s about something that affects them as well as yourself you´ll try to convince them with all the arguments you´ve got, and conversely you´ll listen to any counter-arguments from your friends before you´ll agree on a joint effort to solve the problem.

I don´t hope you´ll just trample over your friends and let them deal with the consequences of your actions. There are people like that; But they usually don´t have many friends, for some reason...


Weird that I have to explain the fundamental basics of human civilization to you, don´t you think?  Insane
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:37 pm

For the sake of candor: Bush had never left the continent, nor never visited a country other than Mexico on official business.

It should also be noted that Bush is NOT PERMITTED to visit many countries (eg. Canada) as a private citizen due to his CRIMINAL CONVICTION for drunk driving. So travel was not the easiest thing for him prior to his election into public office.

If Bush were not born in the United States, his criminal conviction for a "crime of moral turpitude" would also make him permanently ineligible for naturalization into US Citizenship and could be used to deport him as a "criminal undesirable".

But we digress......

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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:35 am

What do you do when your friends don´t agree to your plans?

I hope that in case it´s about something that affects them as well as yourself you´ll try to convince them with all the arguments you´ve got, and conversely you´ll listen to any counter-arguments from your friends before you´ll agree on a joint effort to solve the problem.


Klaus, Klaus, Klaus...

Tell me this - what if you absolutely HAD to do "X", but your friends didn't want you to do "X" and there were no joint efforts that would work?

Would you subordinate your needs to placate your friends' wishes?

Sorry, but sometimes you can't get things done in a committee. Occasionally you have to do what is unpopular, and if doing what is right for the U.S. means that France and Germany aren't happy, then so be it.

While we'd love to have our friends agree with us, we don't need their permission.

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Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:46 am

and conversely you´ll listen to any counter-arguments from your friends before you´ll agree on a joint effort to solve the problem.

Amazing!

...what you still cannot seem to fathom, is that (specifically in the case of the Iraqi invasion): there was [apparently, seen in retrospect] NOTHING the USA could have done to convince the three unwillings* to join in their efforts, as they were unwilling based on the desire to cover their own illegal activity!!

Meaning you could've talked for another 12 years, and still gotten NOTHING. What then?




*and don't even try to kid yourself, no Liberal gives a damn whether any country other that France/Germany/Russia refused cooperation.
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 6:32 am

EA CO AS: Tell me this - what if you absolutely HAD to do "X", but your friends didn't want you to do "X" and there were no joint efforts that would work?

a) Your friends may have good and solid reasons for not wanting you to screw up something whose consequences they would have to suffer. Listening to them may save you from making a disastrous mistake.

b) You may be right and everybody else may be wrong. But that´s rather rare - and in any case, if you´d do it anyway the entire responsibility for actually being right is on you! It´s not good enough to believe you´re right, you need to be right!! You can´t just walk away and leave the ruins to the others, telling them "Sorry... I just thought it would be a good idea...!"  Nuts

In the case we´re discussing in here (Iraq), it was clearly a).


ConcordeBoy: what you still cannot seem to fathom, is that (specifically in the case of the Iraqi invasion): there was [apparently, seen in retrospect] NOTHING the USA could have done to convince the three unwillings* to join in their efforts,

No flimsy pretense in the world would have been enough - I´ll give you that. Too bad they never tried it with substantial arguments that could be verified in any way!


ConcordeBoy: as they were unwilling based on the desire to cover their own illegal activity!!

Still clutching at that pathetic straw? Don´t be silly!  Insane
None of our nations had or has any significant dealings with Iraq that would even come close to the intimate and massive support of the USA for Saddam (or would even register on the national economic radar by size). Quite the opposite, firms and managers have routinely been prosecuted for trying to deal with Saddam.

This has never played a role in the discussion. Not even as a side topic.


ConcordeBoy: Meaning you could've talked for another 12 years, and still gotten NOTHING. What then?

Nonsense! The war was started on the basis that Bush couldn´t even wait another few weeks to let the UN inspectors complete their job. Not that your own people would have found anything of significance beyond what the UN inspectors had already reported.

This argument has gone down in flames so hard it´s almost comical watching you drag its smoldering wreckage through the streets again.  Nuts
 
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Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:25 am

Too bad they never tried it with substantial arguments that could be verified in any way

Saddam's violation of every UN sanction from the previous 12yrs, couldnt be verified??




None of our nations had or has any significant dealings with Iraq that would even come close to the intimate and massive support of the USA for Saddam (or would even register on the national economic radar by size)

The latter after a trade embargo proposed and initiated, the former before.
....talk about grasping at straws.
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Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:40 am

Your friends may have good and solid reasons for not wanting you to screw up something whose consequences they would have to suffer.

Klaus, what consequences of a U.S. invasion of Iraq would France, Germany and Russia have to suffer, exactly?

Loss of business, perhaps?  Big grin

Wait - let me guess - they didn't have business dealings with Iraq, right?  Nuts

The war was started on the basis that Bush couldn´t even wait another few weeks to let the UN inspectors complete their job.

No, the war was started on the basis that Bush didn't have to wait anymore, and thought waiting was pointless since the UN wasn't prepared to set a hard deadline and/or use force to ensure compliance.

No matter how many times you pooh-pooh our points with a wave of your hand and say, "Nonsense!" repeatedly, the facts will NOT go away - and the opinions of France, Germany and Russia were totally irrelevant once all was said and done.

We would have liked our friends to have agreed with us, but ultimately the U.S. did what we thought was right, and we'll stand by that.
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Thu Jul 01, 2004 7:41 am

"No flimsy pretense in the world would have been enough - I´ll give you that. Too bad they never tried it with substantial arguments that could be verified in any way!
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The French, at the end, made it abundantly clear that they were OPPOSED TO ANYTHING THAT HELD IRAQ TO ANY KIND OF CONSEQUENCE OR TIMELINE. Even if we waited a few more weeks for the inspectors to finish what they were doing (in spite of the 12 years of flagrant UN violations), and they found Iraq in violation, France would not accept any kind of consequence.
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:39 am

If I remember well, the arguments of Bush administration for starting a military operation in Iraq were :

- to eliminate the threat of massive destruction weapons supposed to be in Saddam Hussein hands : nobody have found any in Iraq yet, and I doubt any will ever be found

- to bring peace in Middle East, to free people of Iraq and bring them democracy : the situation in Middle East is far from having improved, the people of Iraq do not consider the american soldiers as liberators, but like invaders, and there is no democracy in Iraq, just a degenerate kind of it : anarchy

- to reduce the threat of terrorist attacks, to fight against Al-Quahida : the situation in Iraq is seen by most muslims, specially after all what happened in Abu Grahib, as a direct attack from the USA against their culture and honor. It can only motivate more of them to choose the terrorist side. Furthermore, there is by now no evidence of any collusion btw Al-Quahida and Saddam.

So I cannot believe my eyes when I see people still believing now that invading Iraq was so imperative for USA, or even for the world. And when I see the argument that Iraq violated the UN rules, I just want to hope that this is not a reason to declare war, because in the Iraq war, it was the United States which violated the international right (preventive attack doesn't exist in international laws).

I think this debate won't bring to anything, since we seem to be all stubborn. I just hope Europe (and NATO) won't interfere in Iraq, it is an american problem, the result of their operation is a fiasco and I don't see why other countries should now pay for what they didn't want to happen.

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Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:59 am

the american soldiers as liberators, but like invaders

an accusation which is now, severely lacking in merit



Furthermore, there is by now no evidence of any collusion btw Al-Quahida and Saddam.

A wholely and utterly false statement.
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ConcordeBoy: Saddam's violation of every UN sanction from the previous 12yrs, couldnt be verified??

If that had really been a reason for the attack, the inspectors would have been given the necessary time to complete their work as a basis for a possible authorized intervention.

Instead, we´ve been given a PowerPoint presentation, consisting almost exclusively of garbage as almost everybody suspected then and definitely knows by now.


ConcordeBoy: The latter after a trade embargo proposed and initiated, the former before. ....talk about grasping at straws.

Pardon? You are the one who claims - and then consistently fails to prove - that there was such an extreme amount of business going on that even the federal government would try preventing your attack solely for the purpose of preserving it.

You´re not meeting your burden of proof. You´re only repeating unsubstantiated allegations.

Weak.


EA CO AS: Klaus, what consequences of a U.S. invasion of Iraq would France, Germany and Russia have to suffer, exactly?

Reinvigorated terrorism as evidenced by the Madrid attack and several smaller ones?

US expectations to pump large amounts of money into Iraq to clean up your mess?

Erosion of international law? "Why can´t we start a preventive war / torture / kill civilians without being held accountable? Even the USA are doing it!"


EA CO AS: Loss of business, perhaps?

Money has played no role whatsoever in the debate over here. You may have your personal reasons to think of it first and foremost, but it´s not been the case over here.


EA CO AS: No, the war was started on the basis that Bush didn't have to wait anymore, and thought waiting was pointless since the UN wasn't prepared to set a hard deadline and/or use force to ensure compliance.

Wrong. The inspections were to supply the basis for an authorization of force by the UNSC if there would have been the alleged amount of transgressions. That was largely consensus between the UNSC members.

But when it turned out that the inspectors´ reports (which were dead on, by the way!) would not supply a reason for going to war, the Bush administration trampled all over the UNSC and attacked anyway.


EA CO AS: No matter how many times you pooh-pooh our points with a wave of your hand and say, "Nonsense!" repeatedly, the facts will NOT go away - and the opinions of France, Germany and Russia were totally irrelevant once all was said and done.

You´re simply failing to make your case!


EA CO AS: We would have liked our friends to have agreed with us, but ultimately the U.S. did what we thought was right, and we'll stand by that.

Too bad that it turned out you had been wrong all the time. That´s the thing: You need to be right!

 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:35 am

Since when has Kerry even laid out a specific initiative on foreign policy. His policy so far has been: bash Bush, bash Bush, bash Bush, involve the UN, bash Bush, bash Bush. I've heard nothing specific about what Kerry plans to do. As is always the case with his campaign, his ideals ebb and flow with the polls. He's not an ideal President. Even one of my liberal friends has said that if she doesn't hear specifics, and all she hears is Bush bashing, then she'll go ahead and vote for Bush.
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 9:46 am

You need to be right!

I guess that's the part you don't seem to understand - your country's opinion of "right" differs from ours. Ultimately though, it's irrelevant; it doesn't matter if you think we're wrong. It's over and done with (the actual invasion itself, that is).






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EA CO AS

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:35 am

EA CO AS: I guess that's the part you don't seem to understand - your country's opinion of "right" differs from ours.

Maybe I´m old fashioned...
But my "right" is the one where predictions made earlier turn out to actually match the facts when the results are coming in.

What other "right" is there?

And in the case of Iraq, almost every claim made by the Bush administration before the invasion has turned out to not match the actual facts "on the ground".

Simple.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:42 am

ConcordBoy, I've just read the EA CO AS post, and he's speaking of invasion, isn't he ? Besides, I'm sure there isn't much people in Iraq who really believe that they have been liberated by US forces, except perhaps some Kurds.
 
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RE: Kerry's Foreign Policy Ideas

Thu Jul 01, 2004 4:07 pm

It should also be noted that Bush is NOT PERMITTED to visit many countries (eg. Canada) as a private citizen due to his CRIMINAL CONVICTION for drunk driving

If you flip the Canadians US$200, all is forgiven.
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