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The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 am

What a beast!






Facts:
5.0l V10 Engine
507 HP
520NM
8250rpm redline
7-Gear SMG gearbox

Performance: (with 1 passenger, full tank load and 50kg of baggage)
0-100 km/h: 4,7 s
0-200 km/h: 15,0 s
Top Speed (electronically limited): 250 km/h
Top Speed (without limiter): 330 km/h

Nordschleife Laptime: 8:00 minutes

Very cool feature (quoting from the press release):

Assisting further with performance the BMW M5 also comes with an MDrive button on the steering wheel, offering a one-touch function that changes the settings on the car to an enhanced sporting character. This set-up is formatted via iDrive with the owner choosing the preferred SMG, Electronic Damper Control and DSC modes and, if specified, the rate of support the Active Seat Control side bolsters offer. Once programmed, the driver just presses the MDrive button on the steering wheel to transform the character of the M5.

The function of the standard fit Head-up Display is also altered when the MDrive button is activated. The default setting sees speed, navigation instructions, check control messages and cruise control settings projected onto the windscreen in the driver’s line of sight. However, if MDrive is activated the display changes to a rev counter including vehicle speed that both flash at the driver when the next gear needs to be selected.

The king is back!
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:07 am

Well I've had one for months now, including the sports pack and even leather seats!

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:16 am

Yeah right...delivery in Texas is about 10 months away. They send you a post car about every month--frightful, no doubt, you'll succumb to a E55

I can't wait.

When your reservation position becomes available, they give your the option of purchasing or passing on the car if it meets your color/option criteria (you had to submit three choices).

A salesguy told me something fairly interesting: The first 4 in Houston have been purchased by MB to be sold as used cars (at about a $10K mark up). The first three months allotment will likely be most expensive---figuring those are the jerks (myself included) that will pony up the dough for the latest and greatest.

Bad news: The option list is fairly plump...meaning they will be expensive. In a related post there was actually a E55 here at Greenway MB that topped $100K!! Hopefully, the BMW will be $15K or more less (gulp).

The front grill does not look right. It's a lot different in the Automobile pics.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:36 am

Is that the KIA interior?
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:40 am

Greg..will they offer a 6-speed manual or only SMG?
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:45 am

At least it's not a GM, they are the worst vehicles ever made.

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:50 am

Sorry, but the E39 M5 looks much better. Too bad Bangle got to this one, although I am sure it drives like a dream. I'd rather have the upcoming 600hp Cadillac CTS Super V which will be priced somewhere around $65k USD.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:51 am

Well, some of you know I don't like the direction BMW has taken recently, including the new 5-Series. I find the styling a bit lacking, especially the interior. It also has cheaper plastics inside, with a less driver-focussed design compared to the previous 5-Series. But the M5 is very very nice! I think the styling works quite well, especially on the outside. I do not however, like the fact that they wont offer a traditional manual transmission.

Some more pics ...





Ignore the "WTF" in this one, it's taken from another forum where a user posted that comment ...



And I thought I'd throw in a shot of the current M5's interior. MMMMM



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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 11:55 am

Nuno,

What's with the loaf of bread at the front of the seats ??

Looks uncomfortable to me.

Other than that, if I had the bucks, I would be a buyer for sure !!

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:11 pm

LOL, Andy, I'm assuming you're talking about the seat bottoms, and how they have that extension? Trust me, it's a fantastic thing about BMW sport seats, which are easily my favourite car seats from those that I've tried. It basically makes the seat base adjustable for those with long legs, and provides excellent support. I wish more cars had that.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:45 pm

Ah, so that's what those thingies are? Well, if you say it is a great thing, then I will believe you.  Smile

Leave it to those Germans and their brilliant thinking.

Next question. Does it have a cup holder, and how "cool" do you think it would look with two baby seats in the back?

Come to think of it, if I ever did have this car, I wouldn't even let my wife sit in it.....Unless she made me. Can you say "Whipped". LOL

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:36 pm

YooYoo

Imagine driving an M5 at "lovely" speeds and holding a cup of coffee in your hand!The cup holders are located right where the motorola phone appears in the picture,you're a click away from having your cup hold Big grin

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:06 am

::drools::  Smile
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:12 pm

I really dislike SMG. It gives me no inspiration what so ever. Easier? Yes. Faster? Yes. More fun? No. Gimme a 6 Speed any day of the week.

Greg,
Congrats on being able to afford a car like that! How do you feel about the SMG?

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:26 pm

Well... I like the fact it doesn't have a wood-trim interior. I can't afford a Kia, but, I'd not spend money on this exterior design if I could afford it. What's that fellow's name - Chris Bangedup? How fitting.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:06 pm

I led the engine design team on the new M5.

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:42 pm

Well my company car allowance won't stretch to a M5  Sad but I could get an M3. What do people think of the M3 - is it still worth getting or would a similarly priced Japanese sports car be better (I used to own a R34 Skyline but sold it last year - cool car though if a little impractical in London).
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Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:11 pm

I would go with the M3. The 2003 M3 E46 w/ S54 3.2 Liter DOHC 6 cylinder produces 333 BHP and does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds which will take out most other cars on the road. They also have the option of the Sequential Manual Gearbox (SMG) lets you shift from the shifter on the center console or shift w/ paddles behind the steering wheel like an F1 car. As far as styling I dont think you can beat an M3, The smoothness and sleekness really makes the car.

Good Luck!

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:21 pm

I personally like the styling on the M5 concept better... looked more menacing. Though I got to admit that the softened looks on the production M5 are pretty nice. Certainly a major step up from the admittedly bland looking 5 series sedans.

Oh... and a F1-derived engine in a car under $100k. Those clever Germans, too bad they can't win an F1 race.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:21 pm

One thing I hope BMW did with the new M5 was fix the slow gear-shifting response problems that plagued earlier implementations of SMG. I think BMW went only with SMG on the new M5 due to the need to simplify passing emissions regulations, since you only need to certify one transmission design for the car for all world markets. Also, because SMG can operate in automatic mode, it also means more drivers can enjoy the car.

I wonder how long before Alpina modifies a M5 so it has no 250 km/h limiter. 330 km/h top speed is enough to outrun everything on the road except a few extremely expensive exotic sports cars.  Big thumbs up
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:35 pm

RayChuang,

ask M and they will remove it for you. So do AMG & Quattro GmbH for their cars. AMG started doing it and now they all do it.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:47 am

What a gorgeous piece of machinery!

Thank goodness that cooler heads at BMW prevailed in the styling dept. and that it HAS NOT got a trunk like the 7. I'm no fan of that style.

I got to drive one of the last generation 5's, last year for that BMW "Drive for the Cure" events that allow you to drive one for charity. It was a 5 wagon, and maaaaan, was that a powerfull beast.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:19 am

I led the engine design team on the new M5.

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Flight152


Was that an attempt at humor?
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Thu Jul 08, 2004 3:24 am

"Was that an attempt at humor?"

It was not only an attempt... Big grin

[Edited 2004-07-07 20:24:23]
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Flight 152

Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:18 pm

Their is a couple other posts signed by Flight 152. Actually it was just like something you would post.

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:08 am

Actually it was just like something you would post.

I have never claimed or even claimed to wanted to work on any design team. Why was your post funny again?
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:13 am

ummmm.. I laughed my ass off at it... I guess you have to look at it from our side of things.
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Flight152/Captoveur

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:08 pm

Flight One Fiddy 2, I know you never claimed you worked on any design team but you talk a lot of smack on here so I thought I would sign a post by you. Also if you havent noticed a couple others made posts signed by you. You need to open your eyes.

Captoveur, I thought it was funny to.

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:08 am

Also if you havent noticed a couple others made posts signed by you. You need to open your eyes.

Dude, you don't think I have noticed?

Yours just didn't make sense..

Don't you have some NASCAR to watch?

[Edited 2004-07-09 22:09:11]
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:24 am

HEY! I am the only person on this forum allowed to make fun of NASCAR.

Damned little wannabe BWM driving punks.
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Flight152

Sun Jul 11, 2004 1:42 am

Damn dude, I was having some fun. The Nextel Cup Series Race from Chicagoland isnt until tomorrow. BTW, Do you think BMW would ever be interested in Nascar  Big thumbs up

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 11, 2004 2:23 am

iDrive is in and of itself a reason to go with an E55 or RS6.

Its evil, hard to use, and breaks often.

Other than that, a fabulous car.

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:08 am

Evil, hard to use?

It is no harder to use then the computer you are using now.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:03 pm

It is no harder to use then the computer you are using now.

A fact that would baffle over 75% of the population.

There has never been a positive review of the iDrive system.


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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 11, 2004 12:50 pm

It is no harder to use then the computer you are using now.

You don't opperate your computer at 60 MPH in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic, where all it takes is one moron slamming on his breaks to create a 10 car pile up, now do you? The previous M5 set-up was almost perfect, I would have tweaked a few things myself, but I'm not a huge fan of the new M5 configuration. Thats not to say I wouldn't want one BTW  Big grin
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:01 am

You don't opperate your computer at 60 MPH in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic, where all it takes is one moron slamming on his breaks to create a 10 car pile up, now do you?

I think it has been made clear that you should only use the system when traffic conditions permit. Commonly used items such as climate control, and radio controls can be made without using the idrive.

A fact that would baffle over 75% of the population.

I would hope that the cars price would eliminate the morons that can't figure it out..
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:18 am

"Do you think BMW would ever be interested in Nascar"

a while back a few of the Japanese car makers tried to get into NASCAR. NASCAR kept changing the rules to keep them out until they gave up. I think BMW would meet the same resistance.

Would you wanna be the first bubba to race a Camry?
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:39 am

I would hope that the cars price would eliminate the morons that can't figure it out..

Those who can't figure it out include most popular review drivers.

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Captoveur

Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:40 am

I remember when they changed the rules. My take on it is that it needs to be open to any manufacture that builds cars. I'm not a Toyota fan so I wouldnt want to drive for Toyota but I wouldnt mind being the first Honda driver or Nissan driver.

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:04 am

i home that poeple are familiar with the phrase

"if u ask how much it costs chances are the you will not afford it"

thats the case withe the M5

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:55 am

"I would hope that the cars price would eliminate the morons that can't figure it out."

Oh god... If only that were true! Been to any kids sporting events lately? How bout the local shopping center? Don't have to cast a lengthy gaze before spotting a contradiction to that theory.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:05 am

I would hope that the cars price would eliminate the morons that can't figure it out..

And the morons who pretend to own ones on Internet forums.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:32 am

Hate iDrive all you want, but both the Audi A8 and the new line of S-Class (Vision?) saloons will have interfaces very similiar in the next year.

The modified one on the 5 Series is actually quite easy to use. For those that are curious, I believe there is a iDrive kiosk at every BMW dealer--at least here in the States. You can jack around with it there before you test drive.

I'm sorry, but it's just not that difficult---really. And if you don't like it---you DON'T have to use it--there is an alternative button or knob for every electronic command--so I don't see how it can be reviewed so poorly.

Gig and the rest, however, are right in the sense that putting the 'old' iDrive on the 7 series was the biggest corporate disaster second only to the introduction of 'new Coke' ub the 80's (Advertising Age coined the term).


 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:05 am

Back on the NASCAR thing. If you pay attention to the rest of the world's racing in Europe they have a couple touring car series where BMW and most other manufacturers whose cars are sold widely in Europe race cars that are only slightly modified from their stock counterparts on road courses. Watching one race shows the benefit of rear wheel drive over that FWD shit everything seems to be going to in America.

It is actually slightly entertaining, which is more than I can say for NASCAR.
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:13 am

Oh c'mon, watching cars drive around in a circle is very entertaining! Also the fact that the cars in Nascar are completely different from their production counterparts, such as the FWD Monte Carlo being RWD in the race car. Isn't that entertaining?
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:09 am

My dad has an M5 (6 Speed) and an M3 SMG.... I can tell you that SMG is a really cool feature. It makes you feel like Mario Andretti... it is also really good for traffic jams since you can put it in automatic mode. The M5 is an absolute rocket, a beast, a monster. Whatever you want to call it. Its a fantastic car, and I am hoping that we're gonna replace our M5 with a New M5.........  Laugh out loudD  Laugh out loudD  Laugh out loudD

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p.s. the M5 will kick an E55's A** ANY day of the week. Mercedes is weak, BMW is for champs. Dont give me any crap about merc's SLR either, McLaren is only famous for its F1, whose engine was developed, oop!, by BMW.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:18 am

AA777,

Mercedes is weak, BMW is for champs.

Try driving a Mercedes before you criticize it. Mercedes is right up at the top of quality/perfomance scale next to BMW. Some people prefer Mercedes over BMW and vice versa, simple as that.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:48 am

I have, my uncle has an E55 AMG. It is a nice car, I wont lie, Its a very nice car, but it doesnt have the same soul that the M5 has (I have driven both many times). First of all, the merc is automatic (ugh!), the interior appointments arent up to par for the price you pay (10,000 MORE than the M5...M5 has better leather, suede headliner, leather dashboard...merc doesnt have any of those). Performance wise, the M5 still is more in touch with the road than the E55. The new E55 is a rocket, but it has ridiculous features like electrohydraulic brakes, that feel choppy and cannot be controlled correctly. All the car magazines hate them; they are not worth the hassle (they never can brake smoothly.). Anyhow, I happen to be a Die-hard BMW fan, and will never buy a Mercedes as a result of that... heh,

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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:23 am

I like it...well the specifications.

Racko, you know if I like a German car it has to be good. I just wish the Mr. Bangle wouldnt have altered it so much, I like the outside look of the older gen M5 better...but that V10 is monstrous. I also dont mind a Sequential Manual Shift, Its not bad at all.
 
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RE: The New BMW M5 Is Here

Sun Jul 18, 2004 7:08 am

Now that I've looked at those pictures a few times, and had some time to digest it, I can say that I really like that car. It definately has some classic lines to it.

The only thing that I'm not too keen on is the lower intake grille (honeycomb looks kind of cheap), and the grille/badge in front of the doors.

The rest of it looks great. It will be a few years away, price-wise, for me, but I will definately be taking a test drive at some point  Smile

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