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Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:36 am

Because of work, this could be my last thread starter for a while, so I want to make it a good one. July 4th is Independance Day in the United States. July 1 is Confederation Day in Canada, but what are some other Independace or formation days in other countries? What are the celebrations like there?

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:23 am

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:38 am

Mexico's independence day is in September, I believe about the 12th. Many confuse "Cinco de Mayo" or May 5th, but that commerates a battle of the Mexicans vs the French in 1862, about 60 years after Mexico became independent of Spain.
July 1st in Canada is the day in 1867, sometimes called Confederation Day, when most of what is Canada today came into existance as an independent country from the UK. Parts of the Atlantic providences continued to be part of the UK and didn't become part of Canada until 1949 (?)
Many countries have January 1st as their 'independence' day from colonial powers.
July 4th is Independence Day in the USA as is the day when the first signatures were applied to our Declaration of Independence in 1776 in what became called Independence Hall, in Phildelphia, PA. (originally it was the capital building of the Colony of and later the state of Pennsylvania for a number of years)
 
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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:50 am

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 1:02 pm

Oh January 1st was the day of Australian independence in 1901.

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:50 pm

The establishment of the Swiss Confederation in 1291 is celebrated on August 1st. I don't think anyone has an older national holiday.

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 2:56 pm

Gman94

And who was Hadrian working for when they built that wall named after him?

It wasn't the English trying to keep the Scots out.

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:51 pm

January 1st is Australian Confederation day, not independence. Huge difference !

August 24th is Ukrainian Indep. day. The 13th this year.
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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:01 pm

October 18, Alaska Day. Sort of an anti-independence day.

Celebrates the day that Alaska became a state of the US as a result of a vote that was in direct violation of th provisions of ARTICLE 73, CHAPTER XI, CHARTER OF THE UNITED NATIONS AND STATUTE OF THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE; DECLARATION REGARDING NON-SELF-GOVERNING TERRITORIES.

The people of Alaska, who had rejected statehood ballot (In elections where natives where allowed to vote) where not afforded the option of voting to become a commonwealth (aka Puerto Rico) or an independent nation of the world. Also Natives where prevented from participating in that vote.

That was enough to rig the vote for Alaskans to become slaves to the union.


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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 5:07 pm

October 28, 1918 - Czechoslovakia declared its independence from Austria-Hungarian empire. A national holiday in the Czech Republic.
 
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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:07 pm

Pacificjourney:
January 1st is Australian Confederation day, not independence. Huge difference !

No, Australia federated to become an independent nation. If you disagree, when exactly do you think Australia become independent?

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:19 pm

Back home, our official independence day is on August 25th 1825 (declaration of independence from Brazil), but the REAL date, as far as I see it, is July 18th 1830, date of the first constitution.
 
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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:27 pm

A good question, when DID Australia become independent ?

It could be argued that in the mould of the US or India it has not yet become so, more an evolution than a revolution and a good thing IMHO.

Confederation was more an administrative change than anything else. January 1st is NOT Australia's independence day and is more significant in overcoming the 'I'm a Victorian, Queenslander, West Australian, etc' mode of political thought prevalent at the time rather than any attempt at making a statement of independence. Unity yes, independence no.

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RE: Independance Days

Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:46 pm

July 1st in Canada is the day in 1867, sometimes called Confederation Day, when most of what is Canada today came into existance as an independent country from the UK. Parts of the Atlantic providences continued to be part of the UK and didn't become part of Canada until 1949 (?)

I've rarely heard it referred to as Confederation Day. It was formally called Dominion Day until changed by an Act in Parliament to Canada Day by the Liberal Party in 1982.

Newfoundland was the last Province to join Confederation, in 1949.

Ontario joined as a Founding Province in 1867.
Quebec joined as a Founding Province in 1867.
Nova Scotia joined as a Founding Province in 1867.
New Brunswick joined as a Founding Province in 1867.
Manitoba joined as a Province in 1870.
The Northwest Territories became incorporated in 1870.
British Columbia joined as a Province in 1871.
Prince Edward Island joined as a Province in 1873.
Yukon Territory became incorporated in 1898.
Alberta joined as a Province in 1905.
Saskatchewan joined as a Province in 1905.
Newfoundland joined as a Province in 1949.
Nunavut Territory was incorporated in 1999.

Up until they entered Confederation, many of these territories were either colonial possessions or other territories of the British Empire, except for the Northwest Territories, which was 'governed' nominally by the Hudson Bay Company until it was incorporated into Canada. Alberta and Saskatchewan were 'carved' out of the Northwest Territories as Provinces in 1905.
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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:42 pm

It could be argued that in the mould of the US or India it has not yet become so, more an evolution than a revolution and a good thing IMHO.

I agree with you there.

Confederation was more an administrative change than anything else. January 1st is NOT Australia's independence day and is more significant in overcoming the 'I'm a Victorian, Queenslander, West Australian, etc' mode of political thought prevalent at the time rather than any attempt at making a statement of independence. Unity yes, independence no.

January 1st 1901 was the day the Australian constitution came into effect - creating the Australian parliament and enabling a central national government to govern the new nation of Australia. Before this - New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia, Western Australia, Victoria and Tasmania were all colonies of the United Kingdom with parliaments that could make laws on certain domestic matters, but had no power to act in the international arena as an independent state. Australian federation set up the platform for Australia to take control of national defence, foreign policy and immigration - a characteristic of an independent state. Australia became a sovereign nation on January 1st 1901, and thereafter gained further powers. In 1986 appeals to the privy council were abolished, before that the British parliament recognised it had no power to legislate for commonwealth dominions.
So while other powers not granted in 1901 have since been obtained I (and the CIA http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/as.html - scroll down to 'Independence: ') would argue that Australia became a sovereign nation with independent power to legislate as a nation on Janurary 1st 1901 - thus making Australia independent.

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RE: Independence Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:03 pm

Although federation was in Jan 1 1901, I'm not sure we were fully independent of the UK. Examples;
- the Queen still appoints (on the PM's recommendation) a representative. Although it's token, there's still a link.
- you could still appeal to the Privy until the 1980's.

I think this is covered by your comment QANTASFOREVER "...a characteristic of an independent stat....". Australia has characteristics, but not fully.

I say ditch the Queen, go with a republic and we're fully independent.
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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:19 pm

Chile: September 18th, 1810.

When Napoleon conquered Spain, the king Fernando VII was replaced by Jose Bonaparte ("Pepe Botella"). Colonial Chile authorities decided to become independent as they didn't supported this new king. This is what we celebrate as our independence day.
Although in 1814 Spain reconquered Chile, we became fully independent in 1818, but we celebrate 1810 as our independence since it was the first time we didn't depend from Spain, and this was when some Chilean decided to became completely independent despite any king of Spain (valid or illegitimate).

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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:24 pm

Anyway, out of all of that guff about Australia and January 1, no-one really mentioned the only day that we celebrate in Australia that would be the equivalent of July 4 -

Australia Day on January 26.

No other day is celebrated for the country.  Smile

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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 4:26 pm

DeskPilot

Actually -

Her Majesty Elizabeth II Queen of Australia selects a representative on the advice of her government to represent her on the rare occasions she is away from her homeland - Australia.

By coincidence -

Her Majesty Elizabeth II Queen of Canada selects a representative on the advice of her government to represent her on the rare occsions she is away from her homeland - Canada.

The fact is, the government of the United Kingdom, also equally under the reign of our Queen Elizabeth II has no power to legislate for Australia just as Australia cannot legislate for Barbados and Canada cannot legislate for the United Kingdom. We are completely independent of the United Kingdom - the fact we equally share a monarch does not make us dependent on them thus we are independent - a status we achieved at federation and continued to at ensuing administrative and legal stages.

I say ditch the Queen, go with a republic and we're fully independent.

My dear friend, I could not agree with you more.

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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:10 pm

South Africa celebrates 'Freedom Day' on 27 April, commemorating the date of the first democratic elections.

Ireland celebrates 17 March - of course! and so does most of the world  Smile

both countries, like the ozzies above, had a drip-drip-drip independence from UK. (For Ireland, do you take date of the ceasefire in Anglo-Irish war? date of first sitting of Dail? date when Ireland declared republic? adhere to the opinion that it is still not fully free of UK without the inclusion into the republic of the 6 in the north?)

South Africa gained dominion status 31 May 1910 - way after Canada, Australia and NZ: but, like those countries, was independent to all intents and purposes (at least for internal affairs) long before this time.
 
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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:12 pm

Freedom Day 27th April is the National Holiday in South Africa - it used to be 31st May (Union Day then Republic Day). Is 31st May still a holiday these days ?

In France, July 14th is the Fete Nationale, celebrating the fall of the Bastille and the effective commencement of the French revolution in 1789.
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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:34 pm

I believe that our Freedom day in Denmark is the 4th. of may because we were liberated from Germany the 4th of may 1945.
 
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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:47 pm

JGPH1A: unfortunately 31 May no longer a national holiday in ZA. though there's 'Human rights day', 'womens day', 'family day' and don't forget 24th september which is (almost literally, I'm not laffing here) remember anything you want day! When did the ANC collaborate with Monty Python in the new constitution? I must have been out that day.
 
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RE: Independance Days

Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:03 pm

Used to be 5 May until a previous (socialist) government cancelled it.
Wouldn't do to upset the Germans, French and Germans by celebrating being free of them when we're all one happy European empire under Franco/German rule.
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RE: Independance Days

Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:49 am

31 Aug 1957
Malaya (West Malaysia) gained independence from the UK. Public holiday nationwide (incl. Sarawak & Sabah).

16 Sep 1963
Singapore, Sarawak & Sabah gained independence from the UK, and joined Malaya to form the Federatio of Malaysia. Public holiday in Sabah (16 Sept) and Sarawak (14 Sept) only.

9 Aug 1965
Singapore left the Federation of Malaysia. Public holiday in Singapore.
 
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RE: Independence Days

Tue Jul 06, 2004 6:00 pm

Venezuela - Idependence from Spain declared on the 5th July (yesterday) 1811. Independence was finally achieved some 12 years later.
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RE: Independance Days

Tue Jul 06, 2004 7:32 pm

April 6th 1320. On that day, Scotland declared independence from England. Soon, we'll be able to do it all over again.
 
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RE: Independance Days

Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:23 pm

Scotty - no can do. You lot gave up your independence voluntarily in 1707, sorry no refunds  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Independance Days

Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:49 pm

If I'm to avoid having my butt kicked all over the place by my grandpa when i get to heaven, I have to reply to JGPH1A's comment, so here goes:

Those days are past now and in the past they must remain. But we can still rise now and be the nation again, that stood against him, proud Edward's army. And sent him homeward, to think again

when you sing the ''but we can still rise now'' you've got to sing so loud you're practically growling and your face goes purple. And in a south african accent sound faintly ridiculous!  Smile

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