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Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:52 am

say there is a large pipe with a smaller pipe within it, the flow in the smaller pipe is much slower than the outer one. Now say the little pipe ends and empties into the outer pipe which doesn't change it's size.

Is the overall resulting flow moving slower or negligible to the outer pipe's original flow?
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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:17 am

The average speed would be slightly slower - it's basically the continuity equation. You can of course complicate the problem by considering boundary effects, the wall thickness of the inner pipe, etc., but both these effects would cause reduction of the speed after the flows join.

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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:27 am

So I'm guessing the inner flow would be forced to accelerate? I am familiar with the eqn, just a friend is borrowing my fluids text and their out of state. it is m-dot-1 plus m-dot-2 equals m-dot-3?

By m-dot I think I mean mass flow as in area times velocity times density.

But what I do not know is how to figure where downstream the flow is more or less uniform. If the outer flow is fast enough then I gguess the distance is pretty short.


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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Mon Jul 05, 2004 7:05 am

Yeah, it's continunity.

The mass flow rate (dm/dt) is just ρAU, and continunity states that the mass flow rate into a system has to equal the mass flow rate out.

In this case, (ρAU)1 + (ρAU)2 = (ρAU)final. If the fluids are the same, then A1U1 + A2U2 = AfinalUfinal

Which gives, Ufinal= (1/dfinal2)(d12U1+d22U2)
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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Mon Jul 05, 2004 12:19 pm

I would say that PSI would determine flow.
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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:20 pm

shall I assume U is velocity? We here (accross the pond) use it to mean potential energy, so initially I did not understand your eqn. How do you guys use V?

and d is diameter. Gotcha, thanx!


Optional question, what if the area in the larger pipe approached infinity (got extremely large), does the smaller pipe flow then not affect anything down stream? Imagine a duct outside of a car with no other purpose but to slow air coming in and through it. What happens to that air on the otherside of the duct? Speed up?

Again, that is optional, thanks for the replies.
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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:41 pm

U is velocity, yeah.

Continuity holds for anything, that is mass flow rate in = mass flow rate out.

If the area of the larger pipe appropached infinity, the mass flow rate in would be infinity + the mass flow rate of the smaller pipe, which is negligible. So the mass flow rate out, downstream, would be infinite (the mass flow rate of the larger pipe.)

Of course none of this takes into account viscous effects etc.

Imagine a duct outside of a car with no other purpose but to slow air coming in and through it. What happens to that air on the otherside of the duct? Speed up?

Effectivly yes, in reality it's so tiny as to be negligible. In reality, turbulence around the pipe would probably slow the air around the pipe down more than continunity would theoretically speed it up.
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RE: Question About Fluid Flow In A Pipe

Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:57 am

Fluid flow in a pipe? We'll report back to you after this weekend.

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