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What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:28 pm

I'm interested to find out what our German friends think of 'Schumi'. He is almost certainly the best F1 driver ever but in England when we have sports stars who achieve mega-fame and riches (e.g. Beckham) they regularly get pilloried. Is this the same with Schumacher in Germany, or is he really popular?
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:39 pm

He's quite popular and has many hardcore fans. There was a little uproar because he lives in Switzerland and doesn't pay his taxes in Germany, but in general there's nothing comparable.

The tabloids prefer to write about Ralf and his big-boobed wife, Michael doesn't really produce many headlines with his life, because he's a very family-focused man.

I'm not really a fan of him, but I prefer him over most of the others drivers.
 
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:39 pm

Schumi is pretty popular, the only German sports stars that get "pilloried" are football players... I wonder why.  Laugh out loud People don't like the fact that people who suck at their job still earn millions and millions of Euros.

On the other hand, almost every German who earns a fortune is somehow suspect, since most people do that by robbing others or the state. Best example of this is the Vodafone/Mannesmann ordeal. I don't want to explain that one because I don't want to get angry.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:41 pm

Tangent to the topic....

I've got a F1 nut friend in Canada and she said that in the past 3 races MS has (allegedly - lawyers might be reading  Smile/happy/getting dizzy ) bent the rules, to be polite about it, and the FIA have seemingly (allegedly - lawyers) turned a blind eye. (Passing under yellow, passing on the warm up lap and something else I forget)

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:58 pm

I had a colleague, who, coming from Kerpen about 20 km away, was in mechanic school with Ralf Schumacher (both Schumachers are qualified car mechanics). Ralf was apparently a friendly and popular guy, while his older brother Michael (also going to the same school, but a different class), was considered to be a bit withdrawn and a bit arrogant.

I see Michael Schumacher´s Challenger quite often on the GA ramp beside the cargo ramp at CGN (no, you can notz see the plane from a public place, there is a hangar in the way).

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:25 pm

"The tabloids prefer to write about Ralf and his big-boobed wife, Michael doesn't really produce many headlines with his life, because he's a very family-focused man."
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:59 pm

Corinna+Michael, Cora+Ralf.


Oly720man,
to answer your friends opinion of Michael breaking rules. Well, that is not true (anymore, he did when he was driving for Briatore/Benetton 10 years back, though): The yellow flag affair in Indianapolis was a (unmeasurably) dead race, so no rule-breaking overtaking, just balancing on the edge (what really clever people often do!). And both other cases you refer to are unknown to me. German motorpress discusses issues like this to death, but beside the yellow flag-thing I heard and read nothing this way.


general answer to the topic: as said, Michael is probably the most-liked and respected sportsman in Germany, because he represents classic "German" virtues: hard work, honesty, trying harder than anybody else around, true to his wife, no mistakes, no affairs.
But that also leads to that he is not really loved passionately, because he is somehow "inhuman" in the way he doesn´t seem to make mistakes. He is also seen as a rather boring guy. Absolutely no society guy, he´s basic and simple like where he comes from. His riches didn´t corrupt him like so many stars. And he is no show-off at all.

Undoubtedly he is someone to be respected, and without a doubt the most successful and complete driver ever. Who is Senna, Clark, Stewart? They didn´t achieve 50% of what Schumacher did.
 
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 7:58 pm

Who is Senna, Clark, Stewart?

well, Senna and Clark are legends..because they are both dead, both dies in race cars, Senna during F1 GP in Imola, Clark in Hockenheim...and both are deservedly legends!

I sincerely hope Schu will make it out of F1 alive, don't get me wrong, but he will have a problem to achieve the same "level of legend" as these two.

Senna was probably the most spectacular driver that ever lived..someone remembers his first lap in Donington in that legendary GP Europe in the pouring rain? Must have been 92 or 93...see, that's what I'm talking about.
Schu did the same, e.g. Barcelona a few years later, when the track was virtually fully underwater...I remember the headlines of those days: Michael came, saw and...walked on the water. True! But then Senna was earlier!!

Stewart was or rather is a likeable guy, a hard worker with tons of luck, but not really one the super legendary divers, just like Prost or Mansell.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:08 pm

Oh, I don't know, Andreas. Fangio has a legend about him, and he died in his bed, I don't see why Schumacher should be different.

As for his alleged misdemeanours, there's always going to be whispers about him because he has form in this regard. People were pretty much willing to give him the benefit of the doubt over the Damon Hill incident until he tried the same trick the following year with Villeneuve. So it isn't as if there's no justification whatsoever for alleging sharp practice, wrong as it may (and probably is) be. It might slightly taint him, but the truth is that Schmacher could well be the finest motor racing driver in history.

There's an unfortunate irony here. Schumacher is so dominant, so clearly a cut above everyone else, that the sport has become mind-numbingly dull to watch. That might be his biggest problem when people look back on his career. I hope not, that would be truly unfortunate.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:20 pm

Why did I know that of all people YOU'd come up here...?  Big grin

Fangio is an altogether different case. His career was in the fifties, most people weren't born than...so basically it's either the driver, that is dead, or the fan not being born Big grin...and Schu is an ongoing event so to speak! (and I guess he'll break all records there are until he finishes his career, even the most ridiculous ones).

Now as for his reputation: I don't exactly see the point in picking Schu as being an unfair driver, remember the famous duels between Senna and Prost? Senna did ram Prost's car in Suzuka at a racing speed of 300km/h, now THAT was completely crazy...or the other incident with Prost ramming Senna, and Senna driving on and even then only some utter morons of the FIA (do I remember the name Ickx??) could take away the title from him?

I guess it's what makes drivers really great: They just can't stand to lose a race, no matter what, even if it leads to unfairness.

He was treated unfairly, too: remember Spa, when cars had that wooden plate to kill diffusor effect below the cars? He spun his car at around 220km/h over the kerbs, caught it in the spin and drove on to win! Later he was disqualified because he had damaged that wooden plate...RIDICULOUS!!

So where's the point? His try to kick Villeneuve out wasn't exactly unfair, it was purest frustration...and Villeneuve of all people should know this...remembering his late daddy who did the same!
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:41 pm

I take my hat off to Schumacher for his and Ferrari's dominance, but I think his domination of the sport is more to do with the Ferrari horses behind him then being that much better a driver than anyone else.

I find Schumacher's style of driving to be very boring, I was brought up on Mansell throwing his Williams around, you could see when he was on charge. Whereas with Schumacher you can't tell if he is on a fast lap or not. Today's F1 is all about everyone watching Schumacher race away and accepting 2nd place. Mansell, Senna, Prost and co would of chased him down and put him under pressure and we've seen him crack when pressure is put on him by the likes of Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:42 pm

I'm not quite sure why you reacted so strongly, Andreas. I was praising Schumacher, not criticising him.  Wow! Big grin

I was just saying that those two incidents are the reason why people feel free to suggest sharp practice, even when there isn't any. Saying that he can't bear to lose and that's what makes him great is exactly the point. Senna also did the same type of thing as you say.

The reason I gave the exampel of Fangio, is of a great driver who is long remembered, even though he didn't die during a career in what was a much more dangerous sport then. Schumacher almost certainly won't be fully appreciated until he has finished in Formula One, but my point is that he certainly will be appreciated, even if he lives (as we would all hope) to a ripe old age.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:55 pm

Oh Lord, do I really have to place smilies every 2 words? I'm not reacting strongly, but merely wanted to add a few points that indicate why Gman's post is completely wrong.

No, maybe with the exception of Senna none of them would have chased him down, and even Senna did see the real potential of Schu when he was still alive...that's why he hated him instantly: He saw himself, 10 years younger, as talented as himself, as dedicated as himself..the future...and for the first time he saw the guy that would be his successor...and nobody wants to see THAT!!!

The role of Ferrari in Schu's career: Irrelevant, he would have done that with every team there is: Gathering all that topstaff he put together, and developing a car that is nothing short of sensational when it comes to reliability. As for speed: look at Rubinho! THAT is the real speed of the car..and it fits Schu perfectly well: reliable, neutral with a slight tendency to understeer..the rest is the so-called Schu-factor: Driving like a computer!

Cracking under pressure: Big grin Big grin Big grin Gman, don't read those crappy columns by Stewart and Irvine..Stewart is close to old-age senility and Irvine...well we all remember what Schu did to him when they were teammates: He completely annihilated him, period! Big grin Big grin Big grin
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:01 pm

"Senna was probably the most spectacular driver that ever lived".

He was a great driver, but even if he would have survived its very unlikely he would ever have achieved the amount of success Michael Schumacher has accumulated. Sennas career had its ups and downs, more ups than downs, but he always had at least one opponent that was of his quality, even if it was someone different each year. I personally never liked Senna very much, it started when he drove for McLaren, when F1 became more boring as it is today. And I never forgave him when he kicked out Prost in a race that decided the championship (1989, or was it 1990?). That was worse than Schu´s action against Villeneuve in ´97, only that Senna didn´t get punished for it!


"Senna was probably the most spectacular driver that ever lived".

Well, does someone remember Gilles Villeneuve? He rivals Senna in this respect. I´ve seen several races live on track when he was with Ferrari, and these races were the most spectacular I´ve ever seen - because of him. A kind of boy-faced madman, but what a racer!



A big plus for Schumacher is that he is driving for the most popular team as well. Ferrari is head and shoulders above everyone else, in terms of quality, history, looks and popularity. A retreat of Ferrari could kill F1 in a minute, it would be worse than if Williams, Renault and McLaren would resign together.
 
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:12 pm

"Mansell, Senna, Prost and co would of chased him down and put him under pressure and we've seen him crack when pressure is put on him by the likes of Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve."

Mansell and even more so Damon Hill were absolutely not of the league of Schu, Senna and Prost. They just had 1 or two great seasons with stunningly superior cars (but, god, were these Williams cars ugly!). Excellent drivers they were, that is undisputed. And Mansell was a great fighter, too.


What I really would have known is how would F1 be when Schumacher and that other great complete analytic allround-driver, Niki Lauda, would have had the chance of racing against each other!
 
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:56 pm

Nigel Mansell would of surely have won more than one World Championship if his luck would of been better. At least three more World Championships were on the cards but bad luck struck with him suffering a back injury in practice for the 1987 Japanese Grand Prix, the blown tyre while leading at the 1986 Australian Grand Prix and the appalling run of luck he had in the 1991 season. He is the only driver to have won the F1 World Championships and Indy Cart Championships (proving that Yanks can't drive in the process)  Big grin in back-to-back seasons and came within a few laps of winning the Indy 500.
Mansell was also involved in what is probably the greatest grand prix drive ever during the 1987 British Grand Prix, when after a tyre problem came out 30 seconds behind Piquet. After 10 laps the gap was down to 20 seconds, after another five laps the gap was down to 10 seconds (thats 10 seconds in five laps!!!!, Schumacher would of stuck his car in the wall by now)  Big grin, followed by the greatest overtaking maneuver in F1 history. The man is a legend without a doubt.

Also you can't compare Barrichello and Irvine with Schumacher, they are not given a fair go to take on Schumacher by Ferrari. One of the reason I detest the Ferrari organisation.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:38 am

Well Shu is a great driver but doing all what he's doing with any car? I really doubt that...at this time it's career is being faded by the outstanding car he has.

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:51 am

Well tavong I really appreciate your concern about what Monty has to tell the world every time someone sticks a micro in his face, but I have to tell you a few terrible truths you will not read in Colombia:

1. Monty should do his homework, that is, test work during the winter, instead of giving interviews just how ggreat he is, and how great his car is...he would come to the conclusion neither is true!

2. Monty should try to get rid of his Schu complex..it starts getting ridiculous!

3. Monty was never and will never be a champion...simply because HE breaks under pressure..but he doesn't recognize it...it's always the others.

But other than that...you're dead wrong  Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:34 am

Andreas: where in his reply did Tavong say anything about JPM? Anyway, what I do not like from almost all F1 racers (MS, RS, JPM, FA included) is that they are extremely arrogant; of course MS can be that way because he have won a lot; but JPM has been champion too, not in F1 yes, but we won Indy 500 in his first and only try and also won the 1999 Indi Car series; if those competitions mean nothing to you Europeans that is your problem, in fact a lot of Americans see F1 the same way; I would say that here in Colombia we have enjoyed his participations in Indi Car series as those races were extremely harder and more competitive; F1 is, most of the times, too boring to worth the early morning wake up to see 21 drivers behind MS.

But as you did, to stay in the topic, MS is a really good driver, but, I don't think he would have won as many races with, for example, 2004 McLaren car, unfortunately there is not a final word on this discussion because we'll never see him driving any of those cars any time soon.

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:38 am

Oh PLEASE..... give me a break.
Gman94 wrote....."He (Mansell) is the only driver to have won the F1 World Championships and Indy Cart Championships (proving that Yanks can't drive in the process) in back-to-back seasons and came within a few laps of winning the Indy 500."

You need to brush up on your motor racing history a little. There's more to the world than British racing drivers.

Kindly note the following.

Formula 1 World Champions AND CART Indy Champions AND Indy 500 Winners

Mario Andretti
1984 CART Champion
1969 Indy 500 Winner
1978 Formula 1 World Champion

Emmerson Fittipaldi
1989 CART Champion
1989 & 1993 Indy 500 Winner
1972 & 1974 Formula 1 World Champion

Jacques Villeneuve
1995 CART Champion
1995 Indy 500 Winner
1997 Formula 1 World Champion

So Mansell won both as well.... but DIDN't manage the Indy 500 victory. Simply not up to the measure of these three who did it all.

On a side note. Anybody remember the classis lap-after-lap wheel-banging race at Imola between the late Gilles Villeneuve in his Ferrari and Rene Arnoux in the turbo Renault. Now THAT was a race to remember.

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:12 am

Photopilot:
Steve you need to brush up on your motor racing history a little  Big grin Big grin

Sorry that was not Imola but GP France in Dijon 1979! And they touched 7 or 11 times, depends on who you ask!
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:56 am

Sorry Steve you need to brush on your English reading, I said 'back-to-back' seasons no other driver has done that and I never made any degoratory comments to non British drivers except the joke I done about American drivers.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:48 am

Bla Bla Bla...
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:39 am

what i really liked about shimi was his first 2-3 years in ferrari. during those times he managed single-handetlly to win races. for him and ferrari it was
Shimi made ferrari
Ferrari made shimi win
then ferrari made barichello.

the next logical step would be for michel to retire or to move inot a smaller club abd help them out.

PS: anyone remmber the ner perpindicular turn in sam marino a coule of years back. he took it like with the E-break and drove from it like nothing happened.


also i have videos oh him taking a stock 550 around tracks in Italy/Germany and trust me that was some driving
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:11 am

Andreas

"1. Monty should do his homework, that is, test work during the winter, instead of giving interviews just how ggreat he is, and how great his car is...he would come to the conclusion neither is true!

2. Monty should try to get rid of his Schu complex..it starts getting ridiculous!

3. Monty was never and will never be a champion...simply because HE breaks under pressure..but he doesn't recognize it...it's always the others."


Who is starting to talk about JPM???

1- I agree he should be less arrogant and the car is never has great as he or BMW/Williams say. No discuss point

2- Shumi also needs to get rid of his Mony complex, he should stop defending his brother and babbling about Monty and anyone who barely fades his "magnificence" don0t worry sooner or later he will begin with the Alonso complex.

3- Maybe JPM breaks under pressure but even Shumi got to learn to control that, i really don't see a reason for why JPM would never be a champion, that's pretty arrogant from you....

And back to the point please read again my post, i said that SHU IS AN EXCELLENT DRIVER what do you argue about that??????

The fact for me is that Shumi has an excellent car that surpasses everyother car in F1 that's a fact you can't deny, and at this time F1 has became a boring thing, the car is so excellent that Shumi keeps faded by that car, you barely see his abilities to race the car, maybe the Clasifications are becoming more exciting than the career itself, or if the car doesn't fades the driver why is all the rules change about the car limitations and all the other things F1 will change if not cause the F1 became a complete "money wins the races?"

Ferrari has an outstanding budget for their cars, that have made them almost unbeatable since 2001, the other teams would never have that amount of money, that is harming the competition cause everyone already knows that Shumi will win, Barrichelo has the eternal second, i really would like to see emotion in a race a Shumi pressured when he shows all their skills ans abilities, hes great, it's better than JPM no discussion but come on at this time the F1 became the competition where the car wins the races the human is only for verification. (IMHO)

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 3:17 pm

Isn't M. Schumacher TOO good for the F1 as a whole??? He needs only one more GP to win and he's a champion - and there are 7 more GPs after Silverstone!!!
 
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Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:57 pm

L410Turbolet: Could you please explain that? I've heard that from other sources, too, but I can't quite follow: To be champion you need the number of GP still to follow times 10 as a headstart to the second placed driver, and even if Barrichello does not score on Sunday, and Schu wins, his headstart would then be 42 points...and that wouldn't be sufficient!

Tavong: Please calm down, as the smilies indicate, that was meant to be funny, no more!! Actually I started to bring in Monty...I just couldn't resist!  Big grin

As for The Monty complex...ahem...I don't really think Schu does have one, he's so far superior it's embarrassing! Monty on the other hand gets over-aggressive when racing against Schu The Elder, and he really should stop that, he's making a complete fool out of himself (No, I'm not talking about Monte Carlo 2004, that was idiocy on both sides...served them well!).

The car: Yes well, after years of doing the dirty work to develop this car, and Schu, as opposed to all his competitors, does the dirty work himself during the winter, he managed to have a car that suites him perfectly well. Other drivers could do that, too...but they chose not to. Their problem...

So basically you're right, but it didn't come to him as God's gift...he himself worked to bring the car where it is nowadays!

And as for my personal all-time-favorite: Senna rules!! Unfortunately I was in Imola 1994..it was the last GP I ever saw live at the racetrack!  Sad
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:12 pm

 Wow!  Wow!  Wow! If this is how you all feel about Formula One (speaking in generalities mind you), I would hate to be part of a conversation about football (that's soccer to my fellow Yanks)!  Wink/being sarcastic

".... (No, I'm not talking about Monte Carlo 2004, that was idiocy on both sides...served them well!)."
Andreas, I'm glad someone else sees that as well. I have been saying that since early June, thanks!
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:22 pm

Andreas,
I only heard it from "other sources" (Eurosport) just like you, without bothering with the math. I guess you're right! I don't follow F1 as much as I used to in good 'ol Hakkinen vs. Schumacher days, when it was actually fun to watch the whole race - today it's just too boring. Although MS is probably one pf the best F1 pilots ever his being soo good (or the rest being so bad?) seems to be disastrous for the attractiveness of the whole thing

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:40 pm

From a U.S. point of view I have always been a Schumacher fan since I started watching F1 in 1994 when he drove for Benneton. Sadly F1 Racing isnt very big in the U.S. I think it is very exciting and we need more coverage.

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 6:52 pm

Tiger: Don't worry, quite a few people who do have a basic understanding of racing, mostly those, who've done it themselves, are saying that...you're not alone! Big grin

Turbolet: I'm afraid it's the other teams who just slept during the winter..and drivers who care more for nice parties and -as racedrivers- being able to lay nice chicks instead of working hard during wintertime.

Schu is currently the best driver, overall one of the best, but he just doesn't let go, getting better and better, refining the car, relying only on himself and his team...that's the way to go!
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:34 pm

Andreas,
yeah, that's what I've heard about MS as well. Stories about him staying with the mechanics long into the night, helping them with the tuning, trying to make the racing a team effort and being loved by the mechs for that (not exactly Montoya's case, huh?).
And that he tours the GPs usually onlz by himself, with no family, friends or other who might distract him. One has to admire his determination and professionalism especially since there isn't much left for him to achieve in F1.

BTW, what do you think about the EU ban on tobacco ads basically pushing F1 out of Europe to places like China or Bahrain? I think it's shortsighted nonsense, because we're talking about 50-150 thousand spectators on site who would be "protected" from the "evil" ads by having no GPs at all. The remaining millions will see the Marlboro, Lucky Strike and other ads on TV no matter whether they come from Hockenheim or Sepang.
 
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F-1 Videogame?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:43 pm

Hey, This is off topic but does anyone know if their are any F-1 video games for PS 2 or XBOX?

Thanks!

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:57 pm

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00023HUQW/ref=br_lf_li_1_2/202-5378324-4827805

Not sure if it's available in the US, I haven't played it but it's got good reviews.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:09 pm

Ban of Tobacco ads: Crap, total utter crap, especially since you still have those in the cinema, newspapers etc. The effect is questionable at best!

These new GPs..well, ok, it would be too easy to say that these nations do not deserve a GP just because there is no automotive industrial or at least racing history...it takes some time and then they'll have their history, too.

On the other hand I'd hate to see those grand old GPs on those fabulous racetracks go...like Spa Francorchamps, my alltime favorite, Silverstone and in earlier times Brands Hatch, also 2 favorites of mine, though some of these "old" GPs are run on new tracks that lack character, overtaking zones...everything. Best example: France!! Why for Christ's sake did they ever leave Le Castellet, such a great racetrack!!

I think those core GPs we are currently seeing, France, GB, Germany, Italy, Monaco, hopefully Belgium will be around for a long time, others will be replaced by emerging markets.

And another thing on Schu: Schu is the driver that took the talent and determination of Senna and mixed it up with technical understanding and political acting, seeing that Prost got very far on those. He added from his personal side an incredible level of fitness, et voila: professionalism in its purest form...my heart though still goes to Senna, who did it just from his talent and determination, so to speak, the "purest" best racedriver of all times!
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Gman

Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:11 pm

Thanks for the link. I just read the reviews and saw the screenshot. It looks awesome. I am going to do a search and see if i can somehow get a copy in the U.S.

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:11 pm

I know it's only VfB but I like it!
 
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:23 pm

Andreas,

I think Senna is a legend, the only point I was making was that I also consider Mansell a legend and more to do with his style of driving than the number of championships he won.

I'll think you'll like this link much better: Big grin

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005QJGP/qid=1089375764/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_2_1/202-5378324-4827805
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:42 pm

Good Lord, that joke is old...even Arsenal@LHR doesn't use it anymore  Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin


Mansell a legend? WEll...err...yes somehow I guess *ROFLMFAO*
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:47 pm

Not German, but I don´t fancy MS too much. He almost started a fistfight with Coulthard after running into the rear of his car during a rainy F1 race,
luckily he was stopped, also disqualified one season. I think he´s good driver, but not a nice person.
Mika Salo showed by coming 2nd in one of his replacement races when MS was injured (Hockenheim?) that the car means a lot.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:54 pm

Apologies Andreas, it was the best I could come up with at short notice at work.

Try these instead for an excellent insight into German culture. I scratch my head and wonder how Germany become the dominant economy in Europe when they produce such musical classics.  Big thumbs up

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000000K5V/qid=1089377332/sr=10-/ref=sr_10_11_/202-5378324-4827805

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000037T1/qid=1089377332/sr=10-/ref=sr_10_11_/202-5378324-4827805



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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:04 pm

Ok Gman, you want war...you got it  Big grin Big grin:

Well Gman, I'm afraid you didn't get the point behind all this!

We do this for.....you! And the likes of you, be that Brits, Americans, Japanese...I mean hey! It's what you guys want when you come here...you want it, we got it!!!  Big grin Big grin

And our beer is still definitely better than yours  Big thumbs up
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:12 pm

Ok Andreas, If you want war you've got war, You know what happens to Germany when you go to war with us, but I wont mention that.  Big grin Big grin
Also the war is not to be decided by a penatly shoot-out or by Schumis Ferrari.  Laugh out loud

As for the beer, I don't drink and think all beer tastes of cats piss whether it's German or British.
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:19 pm

As for the beer, I don't drink and think all beer tastes of cats piss whether it's German or British

Er. You may like to know that you've just declared war on both the Germans AND the British with that remark. A dangerous combination, I'm sure you'll agree.  Big grin
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:30 pm

Yes, I don't want to remind you that last time you had help...couldn't do it on your own Big grin Big grin Big grin ...ok that's probably oversimplifying the whole thing, but so what  Big grin

And modern wars ARE decided by penalty shootouts, and you know who wins, right?  Big grin

I actually agree with you on the beer taste...I prefer red wine!!

Don't worry it's only Banco...he obviously needs some bashing before the weekend  Big grin Big grin

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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:36 pm

And modern wars ARE decided by penalty shootouts, and you know who wins, right?

Well it used to be Germany, but now you can't get beyond the group stages....  Big grin
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:42 pm

We are talking Germany - England...so far we've won  Big grin

Oh why yes and it took England exactly 25 hours longer to go home...great achievement!  Insane  Big grin
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:49 pm

Actually Andreas if you take into account the days on which we played our first and last game and you played your first and last game, we lasted about 48 hours longer in the tournament than you did.  Big thumbs up
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:55 pm

...meaning, since the outcome was disastrous for both teams, that we handled the EC much more efficient than you guys...and we got a 25 hour headstart in the sunbed race...you'll never catch us Big grin
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RE: What Do Germans Think Of Michael Schumacher?

Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:24 pm

There is not, and never has been, any need to catch you. All we do is wait until you pop off for your 26 course breakfast, as is your wont, and then throw your towels into the pool.

It's worked perfectly for years, and there's no need to change now. Big grin
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