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Martha Sentenced

Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:43 pm

Martha Stewart's sentence was passed down minutes ago - 5 months in prison, 5 months in home confinement, 2 years probation, and she must pay a $20,000 fine. The sentence has been stayed, however, until the completion of the appeals process. Conjecture has that she'll be imprisoned either in FPC Alderson or FCI Danbury.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:46 pm

Only if she wasn't a big time celebrity, she would get a lot more...

I was hoping for something like 1.5 years in prison (AT LEAST)
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:47 pm

I don't like the women, but she didn't deserve jail time, or even all this fuss, as far as I am concerned.

If she WEREN'T a celeb, Vafi, this trial doesn't take place.
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:50 pm

Vafi - 1.5 years is well outside the Federal Sentencing Guidelines for her crime. Minimum is 10 months and maximum is 16 months. Judges tend to stick to the Guidelines fairly well.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:52 pm

What a waste of taxpayer dollars.  Angry
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:59 pm



Just imagine if you and I lied about our taxes....

...We'd get the book thrown at us.....

.....Martha has been evasive and arrogant essentially has acted like nothing ever happened and certainly not acknowleged her CRIME......She should have gotten the maximum sentence.

What really pisses me off is K-Mart still wants to carry her product so in my book that mean that Kmart endorses crime so Kmart should also endorse you and I shoplifting in their stores......After all didn't Martha shoplift in a since?
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:09 am

Hopefully this will teach her not to lie.



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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:10 am

5 months in prison, 5 months in home confinement, 2 years probation, and she must pay a $20,000 fine.

Not a big deal, but it's a $30,000 fine.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:11 am

Yes, Bronco, please have the kindness to forgive my typo.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:12 am


Leave Martha alone. If the Judge had any sense she would have sentenced Martha to 2 years of community service - 8 hours a day - where she could bring her unique expertise on food and catering to inner city folk and could teach them how to make it in the catering business.

Or else Martha could have been sentenced to work in a soup kitchen dishing up tasty treats to the homeless. I am sure Martha could have come up with a way to combine cans of tomato soup, govt issue cheese, fatty ham hocks, and white bread into a delicious panini with delicately spiced tomato soup - good ribsticking food for someone after a long day of being homeless and out in the cold.

The Judge, like our sentencing system, is just being lazy.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:13 am

>>Just imagine if you and I lied about our taxes....

...We'd get the book thrown at us.....<<



No, not necessarily. We'd probably just get a fine, depending on if it could be proven we defrauded the government, and if so, by how much we defrauded the government. I think people still don't understand what she was actually accused of... She WASN'T charged with insider trading... she was charged with lying about the reason for her evidently legal trade (since she wasn't charged with insider trading) while not under oath. I still don't understand how one can be charged with lying about something that wasn't a crime.

And no, Martha didn't shoplift in a "since"...
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:24 am

I think she got off just fine...and it will be years before they appeals are done--so no prison time soon.

Basically, good for her. I think she'll likely only do a minimal appearance in a very minimal security facility.
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:27 am

She got off pretty easy.....and as Greg says, with the appeals process, it'll be a while before she goes to the pen.

BTW, before she was anybody, she was a stock broker. She obviously knew she was doing and that what she was doing was illegal, and she lied to cover it up. 10 to 16 months should've been the sentence.

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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:29 am

Interestingly, the stock prices of her company jumped post sentencing !
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:36 am

It is not too long sentences in the prison term and she will make pay for $20,000 fines.
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:47 am

Ah yes, I also forgot to mention that a lien will be placed on all her property as well. It's a nice little way we at the US Department of Justice like to say "Thanks for doing business with us."
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:13 am

Well, with only a 5 month prison sentence, I don't think Ken Lay is going to have to worry about becoming her bitch in prison.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:14 am

Well, I for one doubt that she's going to be handed a presidential pardon  Wink/being sarcastic

As for the sentence, I don't think it's that bad (which is probably why stock prices jumped), though I too think that community service would be in better off for her.
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:16 am

Well, with only a 5 month prison sentence, I don't think Ken Lay is going to have to worry about becoming her bitch in prison.

Catch bin Laden, put him in with here-he won't have to worry about being a Martyr, because he'll kill himself, being locked up with her.  Big grin
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:22 am

btw, I just picked this up at a different forum - allegedly, Martha said:

"I'm doing my time, when will Bush do his Harken time?"

Ouch.
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 1:49 am

of course her company stock jumped. the waiting game is over and done with. the only thing the markets dont deal well with is uncertainty, and now that her fate has been decided definitively this morning, people feel ok to buy back into a company that has suddenly become "stable" again.

the market is a big psychological game.

and yes people, lets refrain from remarking about her insider trading, for which she has been proven innocent of. sure, comment on the immorality of lies, but thats all you got on her.

i feel her sentence was fair. i love the woman, and yeah its sad....i mean lie to your friend "no, you ass looks fine in those pants" or "yes grandma, i LOVE this sweater" but dont lie to the fed or your mother.
 
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:04 am

Her shares of stock got to a certain price she and her broker agreed on and he sold it.

Now she goes to jail: A jail similar to the library at Harvard.

Some of us still stand behind Miss Martha, domesic Diva.

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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 2:12 am

All of this for lying to investigators.

What did Clinton get for lying to the American people in regards to the impeachment process?
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:37 pm

...or what Bush got for lying to the American people about weapons of mass destruction?

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RE: Martha Sentenced

Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:54 am

What did Clinton get for lying to the American people in regards to the impeachment process?

Fined and disbarred.
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RE: Martha Sentenced

Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:06 pm

What a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Why? She lied to the FBI, the SEC and federal prosecutors. Indeed, she did more that lie -- she made up stories and incidents that never happened in an increasingly desperate attempt to worm her way out of a hole. Let her serve time. It will teach her a lesson, whether she admits it or not.

Interestingly, the stock prices of her company jumped post sentencing !

Yeah, that was odd. Perhaps because investors felt some closure on the whole issue.

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RE: Martha Sentenced

Mon Jul 19, 2004 2:42 pm

What a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Thus I reckon you don't mind when people obstruct justice by doing their best not to tell the truth in a criminal investigation.

No, not necessarily. We'd probably just get a fine, depending on if it could be proven we defrauded the government, and if so, by how much we defrauded the government.

It all comes down to the severity of the accusation and the lie. Insider trading is a very serious offence nowadays and lying in such an investigation is seen as serious as the crime itself. Everyone who works for a company listed in the USA should know this. The same treatment will be given to those lying in a serious tax fraud case, however not many in this forum can get involved in such a case.

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