wolkenridder
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Gay Marriage & Adoption In Spain Soon!

Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:57 am

The changes we've been living in Spain during the last 27 years are amazing!!!
Since the establishment of democracy, our country has been "changing its skin" dramatically, in a gorgeous way, after those awful and gray dictature decades. Nowadays we are not only the fastest-growing economy in the European Union, but also we are proud to be civilized and advanced enough to have almost approved the Gay Marriage and Adoption as from January 2005, with same rights as for heterosexuals.

As as Spanish citizen, this are great news!!!!

I just hope the Catholic Church will finally stop its stupid arguments against this saying that "gay marriage goes against nature" or that "gay adoption will cause phsycollogical problems in children". BUT DONT MAKE ME LAUGH PLEASE!!! Dont you guys think the Catholic Church is the LAST institution entitled to speak about "psycho problems in Children"??? I think the thousands of rapes and sexual aggressions Church Priests do every year to Children all arround the world causes many more and much worse psycho problems than having two dads or two moms giving lots of love!!!!

How is the situation in your countries?

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IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:10 am

Civilized and advanced?? How about degenerated, sick and promiscuous?.
"A ver si Zapatero no es maricón".

Great news?? Qué coño??....no jodas!!

I was raised as a Catholic although I´m not a religious person so I'll leave the Cahtolic Church out of this, but they think the same way I do..and I´m sure that MORE THAN HALF of the population in Spain is not in favor of this decision...about 70% percent to be precise. Of the remaining 30%, about 20% percent didn´t give a sh*t about it and the last 5% were in favor...(los avanzados) according with some polls published during the last 2 weeks.

If letting a gay couple adopt children is to be civilised and advanced...sh*t!! I´ll be more than happy to live in an undeveloped country anytime.
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wolkenridder
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:36 am

IBERIA747,

Too bad there still are people like you in Spain. Let's hope we will do it, anyway.  Big grin

The only problem here in Spain, for our international A.netters, is that there is still a drammatic ideological difference between people in big cities like Madrid and Barcelona, and people in small cities (like IBERIA747 from Toledo) and in the country, the farms, etc. People in those small comunities very often, as you can see with the post of IBERIA747, still think like during the dictature. Too bad for them because they live "behind" the rest of the country!!!



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JOSEMEX
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:37 am


>we are not only the fastest-growing economy in the European Union<

Good! Enjoy it while it lasts! (No mucho, por lo que se ve venir)


>I think the thousands of rapes and sexual aggressions Church Priests do every year to Children all arround the world causes many more and much worse psycho problems than having two dads or two moms giving lots of love!!!!<

Well, you seem to forget the fact that the overwhelming majority of all those agressions were between priests and children of the same sex...
 
Schoenorama
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:41 am

Coño José Mari, ¿qué haces tu por aquí? ¿No estabas tu en Columbia?  Wink/being sarcastic


It's the Catholic Church IBERIA747 which always calls, or rather insults gay people. They do it in Church where they preach homosexuality is 'a disease'. Their thought and opinions are, as always, 3 centuries old. They are stuck in the Middle Ages. Why else do you think more and more Spanish people leave the Catholic church. That's why.

I've been living in this great country of yours for some 23 years now (Wolkenridder beats me in that aspect  Wink/being sarcastic), of which more than 15 years in Madrid. Taken into account that Spain is relatively a young democracy, it is incredible how fast Spain has been able to adopt itself, in every single aspect, be it democracy, cultural live, feminism, sexuality or whatever, except the Catholic Church. Everytime I listen to Spanish Bishop, I feel like he's gonna' shout ¡Viva el Caudillo! anytime.

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JOSEMEX
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:43 am



>MORE THAN HALF of the population in Spain is not in favor of this decision...about 70% percent to be precise. Of the remaining 30%, about 20% percent didn´t give a sh*t about it and the last 5% were in favor...(los avanzados) according with some polls published during the last 2 weeks.<

>Too bad for them because they live "behind" the rest of the country!!!<

Well, if the poll IBERIA747 quotes is true, then maybe you're the one who's out of touch with the rest of the country?
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:56 am

"(like IBERIA747 from Toledo)"

For your information I´ve been in Toledo for just 1 year since I work for a multi national company and I was sent to work here last year...I have spent all my life in Madrid, Zaragoza and have lived in the USA for example...a country much more advanced than ours.

You should think before writing those stupidities. First of all, you should let the effect of those f*cking things you take when going out on weekends pass before making such a fool of yourself...well, those who act and talk like you (los coleguillas gilipollas que van de duritos, sólo se meten basura y no tienen cojones para nada, no?) are exactly the only ones that think the same way you do about this ridiculous and sick decision of this so-called progressist and proactive government. That´s what I call to live behind the rest of the country.

!!Qué cojones sabes tú de la historia de España, niñato!! You are ignorant and immature enough to speak just for what you have heard from others like you...you weren´t even born when Franco died!!, and I was just 2 years old, so I don´t give a sh*t about Franco´s era, I just know how to make a difference between right and wrong.

Fastest growing economy?? "vamos arando dijo la mosca" I don´t think you are a big help for our economic development...seguro que hasta los discos los compras en "top manta"...si tienes con qué.
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luisca
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:02 am

If gay marriage and adoption is "avantgarde" for you and "civilzed" then I would rather have my children grow in an uncivilized country. Wolkenridder, your AntiChatholic Bigotry clouds your judgement. Most of the population in spain does not aprove of gay marrige and most of spains population thinks adoption should be for heterosexual couples. How can a child grow up in a home with two dads or two moms? it goes against common sense and nature. you, Wolkenridder, are the one that is "out of touch" with most of the population of spain.

Eso es lo que les pasa por votar por el maricon de zapatero, con el PP no tendrian este problema.
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:08 am

Wow, stay kind towards eachother guys...

I live in a country were gay-marriage is already legal for some time. I've always been a bit minded towards that decision, but if it can make people happy...

Something else is adoption: I will always vote against adoption for people of the same sex. A child needs both a mother and a father, point. A young child also isn't able to chose whether he/she agrees with an education of parents with the same sex, so it is the right of all children to grow up in a normal situation.

Unfortunately, politicians do not always listen to the people. Gay-marriage has been decided without asking our opinion, and I'm afraid that also adoption for people with the same sex will be approved, whether we agree with it or not  Sad

Frederic

PS: IBERIA747: great to see you again! Would love to discuss with you again soon - let me know if you are in Belgium!
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:14 am

Hi Sabena690!!

Great to see you as well. I really enjoyed at the Manchester meet. Now I´m getting ready for the upcoming Amsterdam meet. Did you have a good time last Sunday spotting at MAD?.

Best regards.

Alfonso
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Schoenorama
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:16 am



IBERIA747:

Tranquilo, colega, tranquilo.....

Who do you think you are that you can judge other posters on this board just by one (UNO) post? Look how you generalize about homosexuals and what YOU believe they do, when I bet you haven't even met one in your short live.

Luisca:

"Most of the population in spain does not aprove of gay marrige and... "


Bullsh¡t. More than half of the Spanish population does approve gay mariage. This is my source: http://www.gallup.es/notasp/nota54.asp

What's your source?


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Klaus
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:20 am

Luisca: If gay marriage and adoption is "avantgarde" for you and "civilzed" then I would rather have my children grow in an uncivilized country.

No; What´s "avant garde" and "civilized" is recognizing human rights even if ancient prejudices would demand continued discrimination.

I´d be with you if any actual damage was to be expected plausibly. But such damage does in practice only happen when having to deal with discrimination and prejudice on a daily basis coming from the likes of yourself.

The dark ages are on the retreat around the globe in most democratic societies. You cannot separate civil rights from human rights. Recognizing and overcoming prejudice is inseparable from democratic development.

I´m very glad that the chairman of the german FDP (and probable foreign minister in case of a future conservative election success) could just out himself to a general "oh, really?" response. The mayors of Berlin (SPD) and Hamburg (CDU) are also "out" without it affecting their political standing in any significant way. They´re judged by their performance first and foremost, and that´s how it´s supposed to be.

If you need to play "witch hunt" like in the old days, you´ll find plenty of third-world autocratic regimes which will welcome you with open arms. If that´s what really suits you.  Insane
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:23 am

Nice expressions! If you guys would have been posting in English, you would ALL have been banned! Big grin
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IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:30 am

"Look how you generalize about homosexuals and what YOU believe they do,"

Hello?? excuse me, but can you tell me where exactly did I say that??

" when I bet you haven't even met one (gay) in your short live."

Well, about my short liFe, I would say to you the same that´s written on some Virgin Atlantic Airlines A340-600s: "mine´s longer than yours".
About not having met a single gay during my life...well, I´m sorry to burst your bubble but I have met some of them...both men (¿?) and women (¿?).

And finally...gay marriage is one thing. If they want to live their lives that way it´s their problem...it´s child adoption by gay couples what I call disgusting, promiscuous and sick.
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wolkenridder
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:42 am

IBERIA747,

You dont have any idea who I am...your attitude just makes me laugh!!!
You remind me the angry children at school!! HE HE HE

I wont post anything else here because of course I dont pay 5 USD a month to discuss with a narrow-mind like you.

And by the way, be assured I will claim to the Forum Administrator against you because:

A) You are not expressing yourself in a civilized manner
B) You are using a lot of Spanish, which violates the rules of this web site.
C) You are insulting other members of A.net.

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IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:47 am

Don´t worry...I already suggested deletion of the whole thread...

I don´t have any idea of who you are?? is that a threat?? anytime my friend!
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Klaus
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 6:53 am

I see the Spanish Inquisition is alive and "well"...!  Wink/being sarcastic
 
Schoenorama
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:24 am

IBERIA747:

"Hello?? excuse me, but can you tell me where exactly did I say that??"

In reply number 6. Here's what you said:

"...you should let the effect of those f*cking things you take when going out on weekends pass before making such a fool of yourself...well, those who act and talk like you (los coleguillas gilipollas que van de duritos, sólo se meten basura y no tienen cojones para nada, no?)..."


"Well, about my short liFe, I would say to you the same that´s written on some Virgin Atlantic Airlines A340-600s: "mine´s longer than yours"."

That's not what your profile says, nor the fact which you admitted yourself that you were only 2 years old when Paco died


"...it´s child adoption by gay couples what I call disgusting, promiscuous and sick."

What's so disgusting and sick about it, Victor? Do you really think homosexual couples are gonna' have sex in front of their children? Did your parents have sex infront of you? Probably not so what makes you think child adoption by gay couples in disgusting? And now on to "Promiscuous". Care to explain what is "promiscuous" about gay couples adopting a child? They are couples, for Christ sake, they are married, just like heterosexuals. Why do you think they want to get married in the first place?


"I don´t have any idea of who you are?? is that a threat??"

He was simply stating that you don't know him, just as I did in reply number 10. Since you judge people without knowning them (at least two in this thread), Wolkenridder merely pointed out the 'little fact' that you don't know him. If you wouldn't have been as jumpy as you've been from reply number 1 on, we actually could have had a nice discussion. Perhaps another time...
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:27 am

Schoenorama,

If the above statement reguarding 70% of the population being against this is true, where is your oh so highly held issue of democratic government representing the people that you feverishly pitched with regard to Aznar and the Iraq war? Or is your slectivity of democracy in correlation with your personal political beliefs?
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:47 am

Schoenorama:

About reply number 6, there´s nothing said there about homosexuals, so once again, can you tell me where did I mention and generalized about them as you say? Or is it that Wolkenridder is gay and you thought I was speaking about gays??...I never said that...I was speaking about the actual young Spanish guys, who think they are better, faster, stronger, wiser and smarter than God himself...and someone has to describe the picture for them, but from the other side. I´m tired of watching the same thing every day...they don´t respect anything or anyone...and now one of them comes here to say "this is good news for Spain"...I don´t know about the marriage polls, but about adoption, about 70% of Spanish population were against it.

It is not necessary to watch a gay couple having sex to cause psychological damage to a little kid that could be their child...the only fact of just seeing two people of the same sex being "dad" and "mom" is just not right...

Dad is a man, mom is a woman, period.

About your/my age...you said in post number 4 that you have been living for 23 years in this country "of his"...I´m sorry I read "this country of ours"...so in this case, "yours is longers than mine"...happy??
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Schoenorama
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:41 am

JAL777:

"If the above statement reguarding 70% of the population being against this is true, where is your oh so highly held issue of democratic government representing the people that you feverishly pitched with regard to Aznar and the Iraq war? Or is your selectivity of democracy in correlation with your personal political beliefs? "


It's your selectivity in believing previous posts which is the problem here. There are 2 previous posts of people claiming that the majority of the Spanish people is against this. NONE of them provide a link. In reply number 10 I said that a recent poll on this issue showed that the majority of Spanish people support both issues. I provided a link to my source, unlike the others.

Either you completely missed thread number 10 and its link to a credible source, or you are so hooked on Fox News, that you no longer know the difference between credible sources and complete and utter bullsh¡t.



IBERIA747:

"About reply number 6, there´s nothing said there about homosexuals, so once again, can you tell me where did I mention and generalized about them as you say? Or is it that Wolkenridder is gay and you thought I was speaking about gays??..."

You're right, I did believe you were talking about him and, no, I don't know if he's gay or not.

"I don´t know about the marriage polls, but about adoption, about 70% of Spanish population were against it."

That's not true, Victor. Read the link I gave above. About 25% is against it, not more.

"It is not necessary to watch a gay couple having sex to cause psychological damage to a little kid that could be their child"

There's absolutely no scientific or other evidence which even remotely suggests an adopted child suffers in any way when his/her adoption-parents are gay.

"the only fact of just seeing two people of the same sex being "dad" and "mom" is just not right..."

Why not? If the child doesn't suffer, if no psychological or other harm is done to the child, if the child can grow up in a perfectly stable family then what is not right about it?

BTW Do you work for CASA?

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diamond
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:44 am

" ... it´s child adoption by gay couples what I call disgusting, promiscuous and sick ... "

" ... If they want to live their lives that way it´s their problem ... "

" ... If letting a gay couple adopt children is to be civilised and advanced...sh*t!! I´ll be more than happy to live in an undeveloped country anytime. ... "



Iberia747: Can I help you pack? Can I make your ONE-WAY airline reservation to Morocco, Zimbabwe, Benin or other 3rd world country that is as hostile as you are?
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concord977
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:49 am

" ... Don´t worry...I already suggested deletion of the whole thread..."

IBERIA747 - The whole thread is not yours to delete. The original post was a non-hostile, positive post by someone who wanted to share what he considered to be good news.

Your posts ARE worthy of deletion however. YOU have broken several forum rules ... no one else has.

You wiped your dirty shoes all over this thread. Stop complaining if you find it 'soiled'. You made it that way.
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luisca
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:35 pm

Liberals Love freedom of speach until it is used against them, i have carefully read all of IBERIA747's posts and NONE break a single rule.

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VirginFlyer
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:45 pm

I would like to remind all of you to post in English only - there is nothing wrong with a quick "¡Hola!", but otherwise keep it English. I am going to delete the replies above which are in Spanish - but before I do, I want to know what was said.

Could someone please provide me with a decent translation of the following Spanish phrases used in this thread?

- "A ver si Zapatero no es maricón"
- Qué coño??....no jodas!!
- Coño José Mari, ¿qué haces tu por aquí? ¿No estabas tu en Columbia?
- los coleguillas gilipollas que van de duritos, sólo se meten basura y no tienen cojones para nada, no?
- !!Qué cojones sabes tú de la historia de España, niñato!!
- "vamos arando dijo la mosca"
- seguro que hasta los discos los compras en "top manta"...si tienes con qué.
- Eso es lo que les pasa por votar por el maricon de zapatero, con el PP no tendrian este problema.
- No hablo mucho, pero entiendo bastante

Please keep this civilised, otherwise I will be forced to lock the whole thread.

V/F
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IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:25 pm

"Iberia747: Can I help you pack?"

Diamond,
Oh yes, thank you. I hope there´s enough room at your house in one of those places.  Smokin cool

Concord977,
Just because I don´t share the same opinion with you doesn´t mean that my posts are the ones that should be deleted. I suggested deletion of the whole thread as soon as I saw the first post because I knew this was going to happen. What´s the next step, releasing all paedophiles from prison and making paedophilia legal? That would be pretty "advanced", wouldn´t it?? Is that the kind of world you want??...hmmmmm...I guess I´ll have to think it twice before even thinking about having kids.
Oh I forgot: if you read post number 2 carefully you will see that I am talking about the situation and I am giving my opinion on that...I didn´t mention any user there, while in reply number 3 you will clearly see he is mentioning my name and attacking me...now I´m not the one that made this personal so please don´t try to find a cat with 5 legs...they only have 4.

Nick (Virginflyer),

Here are your translations:
-Maybe Zapatero is homosexual/gay.

-What the hell?? No sh*t!!/Bullsh*t!!

-Holy sh*t Jose Mari, what are you doing here? weren´t you in Colombia?

-Those jerky pals that pretend they are tough guys, they just keep inhaling/taking crap/pills and don´t have the balls/guts for anything.

-What the hell do you know about Spanish history, kid?

-"vamos arando dijo la mosca"...there´s not an exact translation for that so I´ll just make a comparison: saying that equals to saying "I got a new car" when the truth is that the car belongs to your father and was purchased by him...I hope this helps.

-I´m sure that even the CDs you buy are illicit copies...well, if you have the money for that.

-That´s what happens as consequence of voting for that homosexual/gay of Zapatero. With the PP, you wouldn´t have these problems. (maricón in Spanish can also mean "coward")

-I don´t speak that much (Spanish), but I understand a lot.





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Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:56 pm

los coleguillas gilipollas que van de duritos, sólo se meten basura y no tienen cojones para nada, no?...
" Qué coño??....no jodas!!
!!Qué cojones sabes tú de la historia de España, niñato!!


May I say that even for us, who know how to speak Spanish with some dignity, this rudeness and peninsular vocabulary is hard to understand...
(mantengamos las formas, please)

USA for example...a country much more advanced than ours
Right! they can nuke you, speak English and have skyscrapers, right?  Insane

About the topic, even if a 70% of the population doesn't openly approve this law, I think sometimes measures like this are good even without the majority; it helps the people to grow in tolerance and respect for others to live their life as they pleased if the harm nobody (in case of marriage, to be proven in case of adopting)
So, what's the big deal about gay weddings? In countries like mine, many of us that so proudly call ourselves "straight" (as if being gay was "twisted") act like fools discriminating people for the way the get laid, smell, look or come from. I know my sexuality won't be in danger if a gay couple next door gets married, so I have nothing to fear. Tolerance does nothing but make societies stronger.
So let them get to make their relation legal! If they want to be together, why the state should not care for them? Remember tomorrow it could be your son, sister or friend. No hay que escupir al cielo, que cae en la cara
Good for Spain!
BTW, this is not a prove that Spain is or not "advanced" or "more advanced than". It's not a contest, people!


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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:05 pm

Arcano: Clearly the best post in this thread so far!!

Exactly, sometimes politics have the task to bring human thinking a bit further...even if a majority doesn't like it, but since it absolutely doesn't hurt that so-called "majority" (looking up Gallup, that majority obviously doesn't even exist!), they did completely right!!

btw: cojones...I understand that  Big grin Big grin
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:20 pm

Most of the population in spain does not aprove of gay marrige and most of spains population thinks adoption should be for heterosexual couples.

The overwhelming majority of Americans were against the abolishment of slavery, against the Civil Rights Act, and against integration of schools.

The same goes for women's suffrage. God never intended woman to be equal to man, did he?

As you said, if you don't believe that allowing gays to marry is civilized, then you deserve to live in a third world country that embraces your ideals.

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IBERIA747

Thu Jul 22, 2004 7:45 pm

IBERIA747: What´s the next step, releasing all paedophiles from prison and making paedophilia legal?

The crucial distinction consenting adults has not penetrated your skull as yet, I gather?  Insane
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:25 pm

People complain and say a child needs a mother and father. In an Ideal world that is great. However this is not an ideal world. There are lots and lots of kids in foster care passed around like pets. Is this better than being in a stable loving family? I think not.

I have no problem with gay couples adopting.

Besides we have had Gay marriage and Adoption here and you know what? Civilization has not collapsed and not has the "traditional family".

Like it was said earlier. The church scandal was pedophilia and not homosexuality. The priest were and are not attracted to men. They were attracted to children.


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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:07 pm



I disagree with Gay marriage, but not a gay union with the same laws as marriage. As soon as you mention 'marriage', it gives all the religious cronies a reason to spit and cry.
'Marriage is a union between man and woman in the eyes of god'.
Fine, keep it, but don't deny people human rights, and their right to express their love and show their commitment to one another.
No brainer really.

Gay adoption? Its the next step isn;t it? Don;t act so suprised and shocked. Their are loads of gay parents out there already who do a fantastic job.
How does who you sleep with affect your skills as a parent raising a child?
The flipside is that I don;t believe some parts of the world are ready for it yet.
Can you imagine sending your child to school, and that child being teased and ridiculed for their parents being gay?
It's difficult enough growing up gay, let alone being picked on for something you have no control over.
There are certain straight parents out there that would raise there children hating gay people. And the obvious victim would be the innocent child.
Unfortunately its just not fair on the child. So I don';t think its such a good idea yet. Maybe it takes brave people to challenge these opinions. But until then........
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:09 pm

Klaus...my friend, this is not what you want but I won´t waste my time with you. Have a nice day!
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
777236ER
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:13 pm

Iberia, you were raised by the same Catholic church who didn't do ANYTHING to stop slavery, or the holocaust. You were raised by the same Catholic church that dares to say that condoms don't work, leading tens of thousands of Africans directly to their deaths. You were raised by the same Catholic church that activly covered up for preists who raped little boys.

Somehow I don't think the civilised world cares what you have to think.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
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IBERIA747

Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:17 pm

IBERIA747: Klaus...my friend, this is not what you want< but I won´t waste my time with you. Have a nice day!

I see. Not capable of backing anything up, not capable of addressing the actual issues.

No big surprise there.
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:19 pm

Klaus, now I finally know the second weak point of our fellow member IB.
 Laugh out loud
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:20 pm

I´ve not seen even a single strong point so far...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:22 pm

777236ER,
Were you raised with me to be so sure of my education?? You don´t have any idea about what you are saying, pal.  Nuts

"Somehow I don't think the civilised world cares what you have to think"
If you are so smart and sure about that, then why are you talking to me in the first place? LOL Big grin
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:27 pm

Hahaha, this is getting funny!! Klaus and my dear old friend Ushermittwoch trying to play tough guys here!!...welcome "Usher"!! long time no see!!
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
ushermittwoch
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:33 pm

True.

Maybe due to my recent banning.
 Laugh out loud
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
 
777236ER
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:39 pm

Were you raised with me to be so sure of my education?? You don´t have any idea about what you are saying, pal

You said you were raised Catholic. With views like you have, and given the history of the Catholic church of which you like, I don't think you can call yourself civilised.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
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IBERIA747

Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:45 pm

IBERIA747: Hahaha, this is getting funny!! Klaus and my dear old friend Ushermittwoch trying to play tough guys here!!

When you´re first making loud and aggressive claims and then turn out to be completely unable to back them up with anything or to defend them, it´s a sign of your own weakness rather than my strength.

You´re trying to evade the tough questions, so don´t complain when you´re being called on it.
 
ly7e7
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:47 pm

Great news for Spain. Congratulations!

In my country the legislation falls behind Spain, yet the tolerance is very very high.

In PA openly gay people risk their lives by "coming out of the closet".
2 things are endless: ignorance and space
 
IBERIA747
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 9:51 pm

777236ER,
Ok my friend...you keep insisting with the same. Have fun with it and enjoy your fantasy!!...you´re still too far but keep trying!!  Smile

¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
777236ER
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:00 pm

Let me ask you this, do you renouce what the Catholic church has done and taught?
Your bone's got a little machine
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:05 pm

No Klaus...I´m not trying to evade anything.
It´s just that you joined this discussion a little bit late and by then I already had said what I had to say. But I always like to stay after parties so I can have a little fun with the ones that show up late and miss "the real fun" like you did!!

Now tell me, honestly, did you come here late because you didn´t know about this discussion before or because you didn´t have the "guts" or the arguments to participate when it was at it´s peak? You know, that would be a serious weakness on you...showing up after the party is over!!

Anyway and since you haven´t said anything relevant since you came, I think I´ll just split now and go back to my activities. Have fun!!

Regards
¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:27 pm

IBERIA747: No Klaus...I´m not trying to evade anything.

Yes, you are:

IBERIA747: What´s the next step, releasing all paedophiles from prison and making paedophilia legal?

Klaus: The crucial distinction consenting adults has not penetrated your skull as yet, I gather?

You´re obviously out to insult people and to propagate your medieval prejudices ("How about degenerated, sick and promiscuous?"), but anything even remotely reminding of an argument is either missing from your rants or crumbles quickly when checking for facts: "I´m sure that MORE THAN HALF of the population in Spain is not in favor of this decision..."

As it turns out, you´re not capable to bring a quote or a link, while others can and do, obliterating your assumptions in the process.


IBERIA747: It´s just that you joined this discussion a little bit late

That´s supposed to be your defense? You´re kidding me! Big grin


IBERIA747: Anyway and since you haven´t said anything relevant since you came, I think I´ll just split now and go back to my activities. Have fun!!

Don´t let me keep you from running away...  Insane
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:36 pm

>>Like it was said earlier. The church scandal was pedophilia and not homosexuality. The priest were and are not attracted to men. They were attracted to children.<<

An overwhelming majority of the children (and a great deal of them were teenagers rather than children) were of the male sex.

>You were raised by the same Catholic church that dares to say that condoms don't work, leading tens of thousands of Africans directly to their deaths.<

Here goes your twisted logic once again. What would be "leading tens of thousands of Africans directly to their deaths" as you say, would be if the church was trying to instill a false sense of security on the efectiveness of condoms, rather than saying condoms are not 100% safe, abstain from (what they consider) "illicit" sex (or watching who you sleep with). You may not agree with that position, but your statement is completely misleading.
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:40 pm


>With views like you have, and given the history of the Catholic church of which you like, I don't think you can call yourself civilised.<

So much for tolerance and open-mindedness!  Yeah sure
 
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Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:54 pm

>>Like it was said earlier. The church scandal was pedophilia and not homosexuality. The priest were and are not attracted to men. They were attracted to children.<<
JOSEMEX:An overwhelming majority of the children (and a great deal of them were teenagers rather than children) were of the male sex.


I beg you pardon: So molesting male kids is not as bad as molesting female kids? And if the boys are 10 or 12 years old, it's also not so bad?


I suppose I did misunderstand you...otherwise we'd need to talk about twisted logic again  Big grin
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