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Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 1:58 am

A run down of the costs of Mr. Kerry's already stated promises.... at least so far...

Unless of course he changes his mind..!? nah, he wouldn't do that would he?

Campaign Proposals: Estimate, $1,910,859,050,000
Near-Universal Health Care Coverage, $895 Billion
Mandatory Funding For Veterans Health Care, $211 Billion
Allow Medicaid To Pay For More Alternative Care Outside Of Nursing Homes, $200 Billion
Real Deal For Education, $200 Billion
Temporarily Increase Number Of Active-Duty Troops By 40,000, $80 Billion
Fully Fund Head Start, $58 Billion
Aid To States, $50 Billion
National Service Plan, $35 Billion
Allow Full Concurrent Receipt To Disabled Veterans, $24.844 Billion
Increase Spending For Homeland Security, $20 Billion
Create An Energy Trust, $20 Billion
Extend Unemployment Benefits, $17.538 Billion
Increase Federal Pell Grant Funding, $16 Billion
Spend $15 Billion More Than President Bush By 2008 For International AIDS Programs
Increase Funding For Child Development Block Grant, $11 Billion

Give Funding To Auto Industry For Energy-Efficient Vehicles, $10 Billion
Build High-Speed Rail, $7.9 Billion
Fund Urban Park And Recreation Recovery Program, $7.25 Billion
* Increase NASA Research Funding, $5.654 Billion
* Increase Department Of Energy Research Funding, $4.446 Billion
* Expand Job Training, Education, And Service Programs, $3.85 Billion
Double Funding For GEAR UP, $2.98 Billion
* Increase Funding For Research On Microbicides And Other Technologies Women Can Use To Reduce Risk Of HIV Infection, $2.2125 Billion
* Increase National Science Foundation Research Funding, $2.126 Billion
** Restore And Double Funding For Manufacturing Extension Partnership, $1.83 Billion
Extend Amount Of Time Military Families Can Stay In Housing After Family Member Killed-In-Action, Make Family Separation Allowance Permanent, Increase Death Gratuity, $1.5 Billion

* Increase Funding For Indian Health Service, $1.4835 Billion
Increase Funding For Superfund, $1.38 Billion
* Increase Funding For Drug Treatment Programs, $1.319 Billion
Ensure Conservation Reserve Program Has Adequate Funding, $774 Million
Pass The American Dream Act, $726 Million
* Provide New Funding For Faith-Based Charities, $550 Million
* Expand Funding For TRIO Program, $416.5 Million
Expand Family And Medical Leave Act, $400 Million
Restore Benefits To Legal Immigrants, $350 Million
Extend Hate Crimes Legislation, $110 Million
Provide Adequate Funding For Endangered Species Act, $64.7 Million
Increase To $10 Million Funding For Project ACTION, $70 Million
Enact Employment Non-Discrimination Act, $22 Million
Pass Native American Small Business Development Act, Creating Office Of Small Business Affairs And New Grant Program At SBA, $20 Million

Increase Minimum Wage, $16 Million
Ensure Equal Pay For Women, $12 Million
* Increase Funding For Tribal Colleges, $11.9 Million
* Increase Funding For Tribal Courts, $2.95 Million
(* Estimate Based On A Five Percent Increase From President's FY 2005 Request.)
(** Estimate Based On Highest Revenue Amount Achieved - FY 2003 Funding.)


John Kerry's Tax Plan

Tax Plan: $658 Billion Over 10 Years!
Raising taxes on the top income bracket: $477 billion over 10 years.
Returning the Death tax: $135 billion over 10 years.
Closing corporate loopholes: $46 billion over 10 years.


My$tery Program$

Spending Promised but Costs Unknown:
Reverse Department Of Labor Inclusion Of Military Training In Criteria For Employees Who May Be Exempted From Overtime Pay: COST UNKNOWN.
Allow Military Families Penalty-Free Withdrawals From IRAs For Expenses Associated With Deployment: COST UNKNOWN.
Reimburse Families Forced To Pay For Body Armor: COST UNKNOWN.
Protect Funding For Impact Aid, Funding For Department Of Defense Schools: COST UNKNOWN.
Make Permanent Extension Of TRICARE To Unemployed Or Uninsured Reservists: COST UNKNOWN.
Accelerate Construction Of New Military Housing By Offering Incentives To Developers: COST UNKNOWN.
Implement Standards Found In Military's Child Care System To Improve Workforce Quality: COST UNKNOWN.
Train Health Professionals, School Administrators And Parents About Preventing Obesity: COST UNKNOWN.
Provide After-School Tax Credits To Help Parents Afford After-School Programs: COST UNKNOWN.

Compact With America's Seniors: COST UNKNOWN.
Support Caregivers Who Pay For Bulk Of Long-Term Care: COST UNKNOWN.
Give "I Have A Dream" Scholarships: COST UNKNOWN.
Expedite Naturalization Process For Legal Permanent Residents Serving In Armed Forces: COST UNKNOWN.
Offer Low- And No- Interest Loans To Facilitate Bus Companies' Purchase New Handicapped- Accessible Busses: COST UNKNOWN.
Encourage DOT-Funded Startup Grantees To Exceed ADA Obligations: COST UNKNOWN.
Create White House Director Of Family Economic Security Office: COST UNKNOWN.
Provide Dislocated Workers With Up To $4,000 In Job Training: COST UNKNOWN.
Eliminate Capital Gains Tax On Investments In Technology Companies: COST UNKNOWN.
Expand Earned Income Tax Credit: COST UNKNOWN.
Tax Credits For Rural Deployment Of Broadband Technologies: COST UNKNOWN.
Allow Small Businesses To Defer Up To $250,000 In Taxes: COST UNKNOWN.

Expand Loans For Small Businesses: COST UNKNOWN.
Increase Venture Capital Investments: COST UNKNOWN.
Create A SBA Office Of Manufacturing: COST UNKNOWN.
Fully Fund Land And Water Conservation Fund: COST UNKNOWN.
Create A Toxics Task Force At EPA: COST UNKNOWN.
Insist The EPA And USDA Work Together With States To Enforce Environmental Protection Laws: COST UNKNOWN.
Remove Cap On Section 8 Vouchers Entirely And Expand Cap In Interim: COST UNKNOWN.
Establish An Affordable Housing Trust Fund: COST UNKNOWN.
Provide Demonstration Project Funding To Non-Profit Organizations To Help Increase Stock Of Universal Design Housing: COST UNKNOWN.
Provide A $10,000 Tax Deduction For Teachers, Principals, And Paraprofessionals In Low Performing And Underserved Schools: COST UNKNOWN.
Ban Corporate Packer Ownership Of Livestock: COST UNKNOWN.

Restructuring The Environmental Quality Incentive Program To Ensure It Benefits Family Farmers: COST UNKNOWN.
Protect Independent Farmers From Discriminatory Pricing: COST UNKNOWN.
Increase Funding For Roads And Infrastructure In Indian Country: COST UNKNOWN.
Build, Safe Affordable Housing In Indian Country: COST UNKNOWN.
Repair Existing And Build New Schools For American Indian Children: COST UNKNOWN.
Expand Efforts To Train Foreign Health Care Personnel: COST UNKNOWN.
Create A National Health Tracking System For Chronic Diseases And Environmental Hazards: COST UNKNOWN.
Create A Greater Federal Role In Equitably Financing Long-Term Services: COST UNKNOWN.
Enhance Coverage For Employed Medicare Beneficiaries With Disabilities: COST UNKNOWN.

Modernize Medicare Benefits To Include Inpatient And Community Rehabilitation Services, Community Transition Services, Mental Health Parity, Durable Medical Equipment, And Skilled Home Health Service: COST UNKNOWN.

And the grand total (deficit..) is:

$1,252,859,050,000

What a guy huh?

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:01 am

JeffM, you know that all you will get out of this thread will be lefties whining about the source, and not paying attention to his plan and the $$$ in the first place.

Just a very educated guess that those will be the responses you get  Smile



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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:03 am

You forgot "DeLonghi Cappucino Maker Wedding Presents for All Gay Newly-Weds" $187,000,000
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:15 am




Jeff.......I invite you to share with us the cost of 4 more years of Bush just to balance out what you are trying to say........those are just numbers to me, the only difference is the way they are spent.

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:18 am

Awesome, here's some questions for you, Jeff. (Don't worry, I've already answered for you, since you've displayed you cant think for yourself, you just rehash the same GOP one liners.)

And you got your information where? (Oh what a shock, a GOP website that tells you what you want to hear. There goes all credibility.)

And he's gonna get all this passed right? (No.)

And this differs from the cost of Bush's proposals how? (It doesn't, he has his, and Kerry has his own. No matter how you look at it, toss it, flip it, or color it, a triangle is a triangle.)

And by posting this you're actually admitting Kerry has a platform and a stand on issues, right? (There goes one of the rights main points of attack right there.)

I have a lot of respect for you as a photographer, and I'd love to shoot with you next time I'm in DEN. (We'll keep the conversations away from politics  Big grin) But all you do is chant ad nauseum the same crap over and over. Anything the right says, you grab that ball and run with it. Kerry is a flip flopper, blah blah blah. If the GOP wanted to portray Kerry as a Viking, you'd be on here making jokes about his new shiny helmut with horns.

For once I'd love to see a right winger argue a point without using the word "liberal" in a negative context, the phrase "liberal media", or blaming Clinton.

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:22 am

It's not really possible to measure the exact cost of any of those things. It's just right-wing propaganda
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:27 am

"Just a very educated guess that those will be the responses you get "


LOL.... I'll bet even the 12 year old could do that math and wonder....

So.... The Dems are denying these expenses exist? Even as projections? Imagine that.


"For once I'd love to see a right winger argue a point without using the word "liberal" in a negative context, the phrase "liberal media", or blaming Clinton."

Gee thanks Brian, you already covered it...



[Edited 2004-07-28 19:34:13]
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:45 am

No problem, glad I could do the work for you!  Big grin

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:46 am

As a lukewarm supporter of GWB (he's better than Kerry, but that's about it), I am very hesitant to cast stones across the aisle on matters of fiscal discipline. The GOP controlled Congress and President have shown absolutely no ability to reign in discretionary spending in the last four years.

Rush Limbaugh made an excellent point yesterday that 10 years after the GOP retook Congress (after 40 years of Democratic control) they passed the first new entitlement program (the Medicare prescription drug benefit) in 40 years.

The drug benefit alone is looking like it's going to cost between $400 and $600 BILLION.

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 2:58 am

Dick Cheney: "Deficits don´t matter. Reagan proved that."  Nuts
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:33 am

Cost of having Bush re-elected -- far more than that.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:39 am

My opinion on this does not matter, I am just a foreigner. But what Kerry intends to do on the subject of AIDS, spending 15 billion more on AIDS programs worldwide, is a very good thing.

Beats what that @#$% Bush is doing now, cutting back on every AIDS prevention program in the world. Those programs depend heavily on US funding, so they are forced to stop fighting AIDS.

Go Kerry.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:06 am

"Beats what that @#$% Bush is doing now, cutting back on every AIDS prevention program in the world. Those programs depend heavily on US funding, so they are forced to stop fighting AIDS."

I disagree. Why should the U.S. foot the bill for all of this? The money we spend is like throwing it away. Hell, how freakin' smart do you have to be to put on a condom? To not use dirty needles? To quit butt fuc*in' your boy friend, or the crack whores?

You can't force those people Wietse...they have to learn and want to stop the spread...
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:16 am

JeffM: the AIDS spending Bush proposed was for African nations, where it is by far the most prevalent. He announced we'd be spending $15 billion on AIDS prevention in Africa, he and the republican congress naturally haven't followed through. Same old story with Dubya - do the photo-op, then can the program. He's done it numerous times.

In anycase, the african AIDS problem is proliferated through heterosexual contact. And for you to suggest the use of birth-control - well Bush and the religilously-insane right don't like that idea either!
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:17 am

WOW, All that money pissed away on Americans .... What a waste. Hopefully Bush will seize power again and give Billions away to those poor Iraqis and Hillabuton ...
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:18 am

You can't force those people Wietse...they have to learn and want to stop the spread...

True, but can you say that for the people in Sudan, the slums of South Africa? I agree that Americans and Europeans have to be smart enough with all the sex education that is around here.

My problem however is this: I had the strong belief that the current administration stopped the support for these programs out of religious beliefs. Much like the Vatican banning condoms. That is where I have a problem with the current administration. Banning gay marriages, banning abortion. In todays world, a free world, these things should be an option for everyone.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:05 am

"In todays world, a free world, these things should be an option for everyone. "

Excellent thought Wietse, then let EVERYONE pay for it......EQUALLY.  Big grin
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:12 am

 Smile

As said, it wouldnt be a problem for me if it was a budget problem which caused bush to stop funding those programs. But with the motive I believe to be the reason for it, it is like committing mass murder. I am sure that we cant agree with that? Fine if he wishes not to use birthcontrol or have the option for an abortion, just do not force your beliefs onto other people is all I am saying...  Smile
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:16 am

We don't have to force our money on them either. I don't really care what the reason is. With or without our funding, the "murder" as you put it is being commited by the offenders, not by the U.S. throwing it's money at them.

Wietse, How much money has your country spent? Actually spent?
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:19 am

What was the 430 billion dollar deficit from this years republican controlled congress spent on ???
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:24 am

I didnt refer to stopping AIDS funding by Bush as murder, but in general, banning condoms.

And a funny thing: I compared the national budgets of our 2 countries the other day. This is the difference:

NL: 134 Billion dollars, that is our TOTAL budget.
USA: I lost count, but somewhere in the region of 2500 billion (to put it in perspective) dollars. I wouldnt know how much we spend here for foreign aid or humanitarian programs like that. I am not saying you guys need to fund it all, but if you can spend 600 billion dollars on your defense, how about 15 for an attempt to control a terrible decease?

btw, me calling bush a #@#$@ (or whatever) was not appropiate, could've created a wrong atmosphere.

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 9:09 am


JeffM

That was some good information, thanks dude!


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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:33 pm

While I support President Bush, I have to call into question the sources of these numbers. It sounds like party rhetoric - nothing more. I have no doubt that Sen. Kerry's platform, whatever it may eventually become, will be costly and "place the 'burden' on the 'filthy rich' (like his own wife), but I seriously doubt there have been actual numbers assigned to his campaign promises

NonRevKing, he never said this was Kerry's platform, just the costs associated with those things he has made "campaign promises" on and we all know what happens with campaign promises...  Yeah sure

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 5:41 pm

JeffM could get of welfare and work for living (though not as an accountant or editor).

That should save some money but the makers of Colt 45 are gonna miss him something rotten !!!!
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 7:50 pm

Why should the U.S. foot the bill for all of this? The money we spend is like throwing it away.

*extreme sarcasm* Curing disease, yes, you really are throwing the money away there. Absolute waste of money. *extreme sarcasm*

Why are we footing the bill for Iraq, both in finances, and in the loss of human life? We shouldn't, we should share the burden with other nations.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 8:19 pm

anyone know the cost of the Bush tax cut that, rather than creating 5 million jobs, lost 1 million jobs (and making Bush the first pres in 80 years to have a net loss of jobs during his term)?

anyone know the cost of a misguided war in iraq based on lies and fear?

anyone know the cost of the american lives lost in this false war? can we even put a price on that?

anyone know the cost of a president who spends 40% of his time on vacation?

The OP's post means nothing w/o answers to these questions. Nice rhetoric though -- the GOP has shown their ability to spend like crazy these last few years...
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:05 pm

Curing disease, yes, you really are throwing the money away there. Absolute waste of money.

the problem is...we are not curing the disease....


"..anyone know the cost of a misguided war in iraq based on lies and fear? "

yes... many thousands of lives saved.

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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 10:54 pm

we're not curing the disease because the Bush administration has ass-backwards family planning ideas. if we can't spend money on sex-ed, then AIDS will continue to grow unabated.

it's a lot cheaper to prevent someone from getting AIDS then to deal with them and hteir country once they're already infected.

Jeff -- please explain how any lives at all have been saved because of Iraq???
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:10 pm

Haverick: I would submit that MANY, MANY thousands of Iraqi lives have been saved as a result of the ouster of Saddam. I know that's NOT the reason advertised for the war and does NOT address the loss of American/Allied/Arabic lives during the campaign or in current hostilities, but you asked the question, and so, on a numbers-basis, I thought I'd chime in with the opinion that the ratio is (most certainly, but maybe not provable)handily favorable. Regards...Jack
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:42 pm

"we're not curing the disease because the Bush administration has ass-backwards family planning ideas.."

That is about the weakest excuse I could have imagined... try again, your not impressing me in the least.

-Jack, so many people fail to see the removal of Saddam as a life saving measure for some reason.

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Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:46 pm

yes... many thousands of lives saved.

And many more killed, including AMERICAN lives that wouldn't have been lost if it weren't for the supposed WMDs that Bush forced down our throat.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 12:03 am

Vitaly,
Your grasping on that... LOL... You know very well how many people Saddam killed, and would have killed just for the hell of it..

Lives would not have been lost if he had not acted the way he did...and allowed the U.N. access to inspect and verify his claims.. but you know that, you just choose not to bring it up... Or the FACT that he did murder tens of thousands of people.... were you O.K. with letting him do that? I would argue that ANY excuse to remove him was justified. ANY.
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 3:46 am

Money spent fighting AIDS in Africa is a waste. Bush probably only did it to appease some bleeding hearts.

We can send all the AIDS drugs we want to Africa, even if we can, by some miracle, get the AZT into the hands of the people they have to be willing to take it. There is a popular belief in Africa the drugs give you AIDS instead of helping you live with the disease. Over 40% of the African population has HIV/AIDS right now and that number is rising. History shows it is impossible for any group to recover from that kind of a population hit, because we know that bit of the population WILL die within 10 years. Yes the birth rate is keeping up with the death rate, but those kids are almost all losing their parents by age 5, not that it matters, they probably have the virus already, or if they didn't catch it at birth they will as soon as they reach sexual maturity, if not before.

There are wars in sub-saharan Africa all the time. The soldiers know they probably carry the disease, close to 80% of all men in African fighting forces are AIDS carriers. When they go into a village they rape all the women knowing they will probably kill them sooner or later.

Also, there is a belief in some African cultures that having sex with a virgin will cure you. So for a few years they were raping teen agers.. Then 8yr olds.. Now infants. So even if, by some miracle, an AIDS infected mother does have a healthy child there is a good chance they will get aids before they turn 1 year old.

There is nothing anyone can do to stop the AIDS epidemic, we can only hope to contain it. Even going to Africa now means you cannot give blood for almost a year.


As for you lefties whining about deficit spending: Take an Economics class or otherwise study fiscal policy. When you are in an economic downturn, like we were, the best form of stimulus is give money back to the people and spend more than you take in on government programs. Also, what is all this crap the Dems keep spouting about still being in a recession? Last I looked all economic indicators were showing recovery.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:57 am

Yeah, we sure did give the money back to the people...the richest 1% of people! I'm glad that Bill Gates got a nice tax cut that I funded...NOT!

Tell me, if it were America, your country, with a huge AIDS crisis would you want to spend money fighting AIDS then? Or would it too be a huge waste?
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:00 am

Jeez Aviationwiz,

I am not a Bill Gates rich person either but I got my check two years ago, when the tax cuts where retroactively applied.

I also still get to enjoy the fact that GW successfully got the previous 5 year limit on student load interest deductions revoked, and now you can deduct that interest over the life of the loan.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:04 am

I would just prefer a flat tax. You pay 10% (or what ever..), I pay 10%, Bill Gates pays 10% etc., etc. etc....

One person, one tax rate.
 
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:06 am

DC10guy>>>Hopefully Bush will seize power again and give Billions away to those poor Iraqis and Hillabuton ...

What the hell is Hillabuton???  Nuts  Nuts
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:06 am

Actually that was the one decent idea that Steve Forbes had.

Of couse they can't do that, with the simpler forms a lot of people at the IRS could be let go, meaning smaller government....never will happen under a democrat.
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RE: Cost Of Kerry'sCampaign Promises

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:11 am

O.K. then, since the liberals want to fund everything, tax them at 2% higher then everyone else. It will make them feel better, and keep some additional people employed running them down.....  Big grin

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