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North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Fri Jul 30, 2004 7:14 pm

As per different media reports, around 200 refugees from North Korea arrived in South Korea a few days ago. That is the highest number of refugees arriving in South Korea at one time.

It looked like they have been flown in by an Asiana (I think it was a 763) plane from a country which didn't want to be named. Most North Koreans flee to China and in order to get to South Korea, they have to travel via another country. As possibility countries such as Mongolia, Russia, Vietnam, Taiwan and others have been mentioned. It is expected, that those people came from Vietnam. It is also expected, that hundreds of other refugees are expected to arrive in South Korea during the next few days/weeks.

Does anyone have more information on this?
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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:04 pm

 
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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:05 pm

Your country (North Korea) has a different story:
South Korea (with the help of a 3rd country) had kidnapped over 400 loyal North Korean Citizens and forced them to go to the rebel south.
Their immediate return is demanded or else.

The 200 you mention were the second shipment, another 250 or so arrived earlier in the week.

The aircraft were chartered by the ROK government. It has not been disclosed where the refugees came from, most likely it was Vietnam.
The PRC will not hand refugees from the DPRK over to the ROK, instead they are extradited back to the DPRK where they are locked up in concentration camps which many of them don't survive.

The refugees are being debriefed and will likely get new identities to protect family members left behind (in the DPRK families of criminals are guilty by proxy and automatically get the same penalty as the criminal).
After debriefing (which is done in large part to weed out the DPRK saboteurs and spies which regularly try to enter the ROK under the guise of refugees) the refugees will be given a course in living in a capitalist country (including such basics as the use of ATMs and cellphones) before entering a free society for the first time of their lifes.
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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Fri Jul 30, 2004 8:30 pm

AMS
thanks for the link.

Jwenting
No comment on the "kidnapping" thing. If the refugees wanted to go to the South, they haven't been kidnapped.

Just by the way, are there any satellite pictures or photos available of such concentration camps? My self, I don't know if there are any concentration camps or not. I just wonder my self, if there is any proof, beside what people who flew from North Korea, told in the West.

It is also very interesting to see Vietnam denying, that those refugee's flew from Vietnam to the ROK.
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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Sat Jul 31, 2004 2:50 am

They'll probably be punished by the South Koreans for "ruining peace talks with the north."
 
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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:32 pm

Peace talks with the north? LOL, Thatsa good one.

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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Sat Jul 31, 2004 10:50 pm

By agreeing to keep quiet about this, SK is playing into NK's hands. SK should be broadcasting this refugee arrival at full volume.

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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Sat Jul 31, 2004 11:47 pm

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Already since several years ago, there are a lot of peace talks going on between the DPRK, China, Russia, ROK, Japan and the US.
I wonder what you think is the funny part of it.

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South Korea tries to go a middle way. Acting like a fool and broadcast every little piece they find wouldn't be in their own interest. Or at least not in the governments interest.
Another reason would be, that the country where those people have been traveling from (in that case Vietnam) would loose it's face fully against the DPRK and in the worst case, there would be a possibility less for other refugees to travel into the ROK.
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Swissgabe

Sun Aug 01, 2004 7:59 pm

I know peace talks have been going on and I really hope we can come to peace. I really think the North Korean people are very good people and I think the nation can flourish. I dont think any of this will happen under the current North Korean administration.

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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Sun Aug 01, 2004 10:10 pm

I think the problem is that the North Korean government learned out of the collapse of East Germany. This happened mostly because East Germany was never really isolated. There were many personal contacts between family members on both sides of the border and East Germans could receive Western radio and TV. Also they got influenced by the Solidarnosc (sp?) movement in Poland. One thing which mrushed the collapse of East Germany was the agreeement between West Germany and the East about the visas for West Germans to visit East Germany in the 70s under Brandt.
The North Korean government knows very well what will happen to them once they loose the grip on power ( I think jail will be the least of their worries). So they keep the country almost completely isolated and brainwash the population into believing that their starving country is the worker´s paradise and everybody else is even worse off. TVs and radios (if people got them) are factory tuned on the government radio frequencies. Contact with foreigners is very limited and supervised. The people actualy believe that the Korean war of 1949-53 was started by an invasion of the US and South Korea and was only stopped and returned by the military genius of their old dictator. No word about THEIR invasion in South Korea and about the millions of Chinese "volunteers" who helped them to beat the UN forces back.

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RE: North Korean Refugees Arrive In South Korea

Mon Aug 02, 2004 4:22 am

North Korea is a seriously scary place - I wonder how long they'll be able to hold out ? And what will happen to the poor North Koreans who've been mind-f*cked all these years by their government, when they finally find out the truth ? Its going to make the reunification of Germany look like a day at the beach.
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