N6376M
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Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:44 pm

There's a thread on the Civil Av forum discussing an incident and a Flybe flight.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1675921/

In less than ten days, the UK justice system has tried the defendant, convicted him and sentenced him to prison. OUTSTANDING.

My question - is justice usually this swift in the UK? In the US this would have taken months if not years.

-76M

[Edited 2004-07-30 14:45:35]
 
bristolflyer
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Fri Jul 30, 2004 10:47 pm

Absolutely not. Somebody I know was a witness to an incident where a car thief tried to kill a policeman by running him down and the trial didn't get to court for about 18 months by which time the other witnesses had decided to not give evidence as it was dragging on for so long.

Seriously frustrating as the guy almost got away with it.

BF
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767Lover
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:03 pm

76M,

One possible reason is the absence of frivolous lawsuits that would otherwise clog up the system like in the US.

 
N6376M
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:06 pm

I understand that the UK civil system enforces the loser pays philosophy such that if you file a lawsuit and lose, you are liable for the opposing party's legal fees. Can anyone confirm? Are there limits to this?
 
oly720man
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:20 pm

N6376m

Depends. There are plenty of "no-win no-fee" legal eagles out there chasing the "have you been injured" market. They can screw you for all you win, though. People have found that they got next to nothing because everything they won went in legal fees.

But, yes, law is expensive over here and people can end up losing everything in fighting their case - or going bankrupt..... for example

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1344367.stm

Incidentally this was a legal case (libel) where a lot of people wanted both sides to lose.

Andy
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ben
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Fri Jul 30, 2004 11:36 pm

There were 2 very well known flight training organisations here, both of which no longer exist.

From what I hear, company A used company B to do their ground school component.

Things were fine for a while until company A wanted to save some money so they got company B's teaching notes, books, etc and photocopied them, replacing only the company name on the top of the pages.

A long legal fight followed. I don't know who won, but both went bankrupt because of the cost of fighting the case.

The very sad part is that many students lost all the money they put into their flight training. That's why you should never pay for it in advance.
 
BOAC
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:15 am

In answer to the original question the important point is that it is not UK justice that should be credited. As the Channel Islands have their own government and judicial system, they are responsible. Due to the fact that there are rather less people and therefore one assumes crime, they can get the cases through court more rapidly.
 
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Sat Jul 31, 2004 12:27 am

76M - I believe that is the case. I believe also (from reading Private Eye, so it may not be the most reliable source of info, although they do get sued for libel a lot) the there are moves afoot to cap the winners fees. There is a practise in vogue amongst libel lawyers to add a huge top up contingency fee to the clients costs should they win, because these costs are paid by the opposing party, and that this practise has been subject to some abuse recently.
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N6376M
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:12 am

BOAC now tells us that the United Kingdom is not so United after all.

Seriously, thanks for the info - good pick up.

-76M
 
JGPH1A
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RE: Is Justice In The UK Always This Quick

Sat Jul 31, 2004 1:28 am

The UK does have seperate justice systems in England & Wales, Scotland, the Isle of Man and the various Channel Islands - not sure how it works in Northern Ireland. Face it, the UK justice system is old and wierd, but it kind of works, the wigs are cute.
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