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Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:35 am

This just occured to me. According to her official biography (http://www.hfp.heinz.org/aboutus/teresaheinz_01.html) Mrs. Kerry was born in Mozambique.

Assuming that JFK is elected president, does this make her the first foreign born first lady?

 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:37 am

She was born in Mocambique, and she went to The Univeristy of the Witwatersrand. I am a student there, well maybe I shouldnt say that too loudyly after watching the recent video clip of her.
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:41 am

I believe the second. I think it was Abigail Adams who was not born in the US.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:41 am

And I'm curious, does anyone think, in a tight race, that this won't become an issue?
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:46 am

Unforunately, in a tight race, everything becomes and issue besides, well, the issues.  Sad
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:46 am

I have finally figured out who this lady reminds me of:

an older, spaced-out yet still authoritarian Air France flight attendant.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:52 am

It will become an issue.

It doesn't deserve to be an issue, but it will be.

If a Dem EVER made a remark about Laura Bush, the NeoCons would have a field day - saying that it is an example of the Dem's low moral values.

But after they've wrapped themselves up in the flag, and shouted "family values" for 16 years, they seem to think that Hilary, Tipper and Teresa are all fair game. They will lie, imply and insinuate whatever they can to create more doubt and fear (the real core values they hold so dear).

In a strange way, I hope they continue this approach. The 'undecided' will soon see that there is no real substance behind all the rhetoric ... no ideas - just anger and hostility.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:02 am

"The 'undecided' will soon see that there is no real substance behind all the rhetoric ... no ideas - just anger and hostility."

You are right, which is why all of the Anti-Bush bullshit is going to be the Dems undoing.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:06 am

Stretch I have added you to my RR list, for sheer brilliance about that statement, I am not saying she is a bad or good person just that I think how u summed her up was done in such an artful way.
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:14 am

" ... You are right, which is why all of the Anti-Bush bullshit is going to be the Dems undoing ...

Not exactly. Bush & Company demonstrate their mishaps and misjudgements every day in front of the world's press. The "anti-Bush" comments you may hear from the left are about BUSH, they are not about his wife. And they are in response to something Bush has really done or really said ... not something someone assumes about his wife.

And he is an easy target for those comments. The Dems don't have to lie, imply or insinuate ANYTHING - because GWB provides REAL things to criticize every time he speaks.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:17 am

Diamond - what's the remark that Neocons have made about Teresa? I'm just pointing out an interesting fact.

-76M

Now, if I did want to take a cheap shot at her, I'd repeat the comment I her on the morning drive talk radio program I listen to.

Teresa Heinz was complaining that people were pronouncing her name Theresa (like mother Theresa). She pointed out that her name is Teresa (pronounced like "to raise" [your taxes]).
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:53 am

N6376m,

My comment was not about your original post. It was a response to the question asked by Alpha_1 in post #3 above.

Now I have a response for you: When you say, " ... I'm just pointing out an interesting fact ... " you are trying to get us to believe that there was NO PARTISAN REASON for you starting this thread in the first place. That is BS, and you know it.

I hate partisan politics. But what I hate even more are partisans who cannot even be honest about their own one-sided beliefs.

You didn't start this thread because you found ANYTHING about Mrs. Heinz-Kerry 'interesting'. You posted it as a VERY thinly-disguised attempt to start some flames.

The least you could do is be honest about THAT.





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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:57 am

I hate partisan politics. But what I hate even more are partisans who cannot even be honest about their own one-sided beliefs.

2nd!


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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:23 am

Diamond,

Whether you believe it or not, I was reading up on her (that's how I came across her biography) and I did find this fact interesting. How many people can say that they knew she was from Mozambique?

If you've read any of my other posts, you'd know that I never hide the fact that I'm political, however, my life need not center around it.

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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 11:46 am

Teresa Heinz was complaining that people were pronouncing her name Theresa (like mother Theresa). She pointed out that her name is Teresa (pronounced like "to raise" [your taxes]).

Coming from someone who is usually pretty smart, that was an idiotic statement, N6376m. You're getting more partisan every day. I guess you're not better than B757300, eh?
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:02 pm

And I'm curious, does anyone think, in a tight race, that this won't become an issue?

Well.. since first lady usually isn't in the line of sucession... I don't think it will be a problem. Then again, when Kerry makes off-shoring an isssue, it never looks good when your wife's corperation dabbed in some decent off-shoring of their own  Big grin
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 1:55 pm

That she was born in Mozambique is a non-issue.

That she said "shove it" to a reporter SHOULD be an issue. With those 2 words she showed how low-class and unfit for First Lady she is.

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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:06 pm

That she said "shove it" to a reporter SHOULD be an issue. With those 2 words she showed how low-class and unfit for First Lady she is.

Oh come on...  Insane
Do you honestly think the current first lady never said anything like that before? Heinz was only so unlucky to say it to a reporter.
And damn she isn't the one going to be a president. her husband is!
And all of those things Bush did when he was younger, do you think that was ok for a future president?

And once again we should mention Cheney. Du you think he still should be vice president after his use of word in the Senate?

 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:12 pm

" ... Whether you believe it or not ... "

I don't believe it.

" ... I never hide the fact that I'm political, however, my life need not center around it ... "

I don't believe that either.

Your posts speak for themselves, especially your thread-starters.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 2:18 pm

People stopped treating our presidents and first ladies well many years ago. With each election, they are subjected to more and more aggression and hate. So why is it that we expect them never to be affected by this?

Given what she is dealing with at the moment, a mere "shove it" *IS* an example of class compared to what a less sophisticated person might do.

We keep throwing bricks at them, and people wonder why they duck.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:35 pm

From what I gather, she just happened to be born in Mozambique, but isn't of Mozambican origin. She's ethnically Portuguese and her parents were living in Mozambique (it was a Portuguese colony until 1975).

She's no more Mozambican than, say, Uma Thurman is Japanese.

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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:55 pm

She went to Wits ? Cool, me too (briefly !) - I wonder where she lived in JNB.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:32 pm

Alpha,
I think you missed this bit in -76m's previous post:
Now, if I did want to take a cheap shot at her, I'd repeat the comment I her on the morning drive talk radio program I listen to.
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:34 pm

If "Shove it" disqualifies Theresa to be first lady, then "Go f%$# yourself" certainly disqualifies Cheney to continue as vice president.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:41 pm

Alpha1 - it was a joke, and I clearly stated it in advance. I'm sure you never tell GWB jokes.

What has happened that people can't even be humerous without sparking a political debate? To raise your taxes is funny. I think my post record shows that I'll share a good joke regardless of what side it makes the butt. Remember, I was the one who first posted the GOP Convention Agenda thread - even though I am a Republican.

 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:50 pm


If "Shove it" disqualifies Theresa to be first lady, then "Go f%$# yourself" certainly disqualifies Cheney to continue as vice president.

Dvk! Nice to point that out... really, how unprofessional was that on Cheney's part? ...then again, the Cheney supporters will say it was no big deal.
 
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:48 am

Yyz wrote:

That she said "shove it" to a reporter SHOULD be an issue. With those 2 words she showed how low-class and unfit for First Lady she is.

It truly amazes me that right-wing/Moonie media outlets like the Washington Times are still running stories headlined "'Shove It' Still Reverberates" and casually ignore Dick Cheney's much more vulgar insult aimed at Patrick Leahy.




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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:00 am

"an older, spaced-out yet still authoritarian Air France flight attendant."

LOL !
Thats priceless !
And like an AF FA, she could tell you to shove it - in French !

"With those 2 words she showed how low-class and unfit for First Lady she is."

Low class?
I thought we were a class-less society. At least thats what the GOP says every time they shriek about the Dems playing class warfare. But I guess "high class" (?) is now a requirement for First Lady. The Bush Mother Gorgon who referred to her husband's opponent (Geraldine Ferraro) as a "bitch" in an interview comes to mind.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:30 am

Jaysit I think most of us understand what "class-less society" means. It refers only to the circumstances of our birth making us "noble" or "common" or "sacred" or "profane" The fact is, we do have such a society.

The overriding realities are otherwise however. There is an old line that says "all men are created equal, some outgrow it." Being born to wealth and privilege can certainly make one appear smarter and more of a leader. Then there is "class" as it applies to our manners.

I'm not much offended by her "shove it" but the denial of the "unAmerican" remark concerns me a lot. In fact, it makes me question her mental stability. I'm not as concerned by it as most of my peers, because I understand how many people have to die before the first lady becomes president. (All of the rest of us.)

As to N6376M starting this thread just so someone could jump in and start a flame-fest, don't think so. The alternative would be never to mention her name in public again, and that in itself is a sort of reverse-flaming.

What should he do?
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:34 am

I just thought it was neat that she was born in Mozambique.

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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:43 am

Anyone remember that Barry Goldwater was running for President and he was not born in the USA?

He was born in the southern part of what is now Arizona, then called the Gadsden Purchase. It was not added to Arizona and so, to the US until 1912, after he was born.
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:00 am

"Jaysit I think most of us understand what "class-less society" means. It refers only to the circumstances of our birth making us "noble" or "common" or "sacred" or "profane" The fact is, we do have such a society."

I know, dear.
I was being facetious.
Its just amusing when the phrase "she's low class" is used. Its such an anachronistic term. The term "boorish" may have been more appropriate if you really want to condemn her behavior.
I also believe that Heinz's little spat with the Scaife Foundation reporter was based on "unamerican activity" versus "unamerican whatever it is she babbled on in her speech-let."

I think that by virtue of her foreign birth, her facility with many languages, her experience as a Senator's spouse, and her stewardship of a multibillion dollar foundation she will be an enormous asset. Of course, she may not play out well in Peoria, but she will be a star on any US diplomatic visit to Paris, London, Pretoria, Brussels or anywhere else for that matter. We may even have a First Lady who can show up in Riyadh on an official visit, and tell the Saudis to "shove it" if they ask her to "chador" up. Perhaps, its time someone did !
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RE: Teresa Heinz - Kerry

Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:28 pm

Assuming that JFK is elected president, does this make her the first foreign born first lady?


No. Louisa Catherine Johnson Adams (Mrs. John Quincy Adams) was the first first lady born outside the US, she was born in London England.

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