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Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 10:51 pm

From a central european standpoint its impossible to even think of that Bush Jr. might be able win again, looking at his list of shortfalls. Still everything points towards a pretty tight race to be run in November.

I would like to hear why many Americans still think he should have another run in the office despite he is undoubtedly:

-the US president who spoiled the image of the USA like no one before
-a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"
-less than a genius
-a warmonger (well, at least more than is good for his country)
-hated by almost everyone outside the US
-someone who exploits the country´s monetary resources on the expense of future generations and the rest of the world
-someone who gives a shit about environmental pollution
-carrying a gun in one hand, the bible in the other and kills at the same time as he reads "Do not kill" without any sign of knowing what kind of picture he shows the world


I do not want a US vs. the rest of the world discussion here.
Bush Jr. is not the USA.


 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:01 pm

what do you european champagne socialist care about the US election (before you ask I am a US citizen).
If the people of the UNITED STATES want Bush to be president, then you are just gonna have to DEAL with it. I am sick and tired of the Euro Commies and their constant I hate Bush, Bush is a Moron, Bush is Evil TRASH. I can assure you most europeans give a RATS ASS what happens on November.
And why do you always say all the "negative" things about Bush?

What is so wrong about a president with moral values?
what is so wrong about someone that want to DEFEND his country rather than sit on his ass waiting to be attacked again.
what is so wrong about a president that proposed tax cuts to reactivate the ecomy (I am against making some of them permanent thow)
what is so wrong about a president that actually stands up for what he believes in instead of changing it every time he goes in front of a new crowd (Kerry)
George W. Bush was elected acording to the rules in the US constitution on November 2000. He Took office in January of 2001 until January of ¡2009! hopefully.
If The people of the US dont want Bush to be president, they will vote him out in november, if they do, they will elect him, it IS that simple.

I just had to vent..
now i am leaving before Jaysit and ALPHA_1 take over this thread
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:05 pm

Luisca, you're the walking definition of a right-wing wacko. Settle down, and stop acting like Rush Limbaugh.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:08 pm

Luisca... With all due respect, take a Valium, will ya?
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:10 pm

a swift response by the "morally" right!

"what do you european champagne socialist care about the US election (before you ask I am a US citizen)."

what is a "champagne socialist"? isnt that an oxymoron, after all socialists are to be members of the working class while champagne is a sign of the upper social echelons

"If the people of the UNITED STATES want Bush to be president, then you are just gonna have to DEAL with it."

if the majority of the people of the united states dont want him to be president, the right has to deal with it. it happened in 2000, it will happen in 2004

"I am sick and tired of the Euro Commies and their constant I hate Bush, Bush is a Moron, Bush is Evil TRASH."

since when does euro equal commie? after all WE invented democracy! and to top it off, a country could be economically work with a marxist economy and still be a democracy, there is no form of state permanently linked to the property of being a democracy as long as the "demos creare" principle is maintained(which was never the case in marxist countries but is in theory still possible)

"I can assure you most europeans give a RATS ASS what happens on November."

i can assure you most europeans care, as various polls have shown most europeans percieve the usa as the #1 threat to world peace, even more with such lunatics at the helm

"And why do you always say all the "negative" things about Bush?"

most people can not find positive things to say might be a reason for that. unless you are a far right christian fundamentalist you have a hard time convincing yourself that there are "positive" things about bush.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:18 pm

Hey, Na Jr.

Who's Bush Jr.?

If you want to vent, at least get the name correct. Regards..Jack
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:23 pm

what is a "champagne socialist"? isnt that an oxymoron, after all socialists are to be members of the working class while champagne is a sign of the upper social echelons

It is a term used in america (the continent) to describe how the europeans can drink champagne and eat caviar and then brag about how they believe in sociallism.

since when does euro equal commie? after all WE invented democracy!

The first modern democracy was the USA, you were still hailing your king with his totalitarian rule when the americans were voting.

[Edited 2004-08-05 16:28:33]
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:25 pm

Well, at least five thread starters on the front page at the moment containing the word "Bush". Do we really need another flame-war?  Insane

As much as you´re totally entitled to starting such a thread, Na, you are such an experienced a.net member and should know in what kind of a mess this will end.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:25 pm

Another Bush bashing thread.........anything new happening on airliners recently?  Insane



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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:37 pm

a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"

I think you are thinking of John Kerry's plan. Look, my family is typical middle class and we great that President George W. Bush created those tax-cuts. It was nice to get something from the government instead of giving something to it.

a warmonger (well, at least more than is good for his country)

How the hell can you be called a "warmonger" when you are able to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan and are able to free the Iraqi people from the iron grip of Saddam Hussein? I am glad that the President used the notion of striking the terrorist first before they strike us. We can't just sit here and do nothing while regimes like Saddam's were funding terrorist (including al-Qaida). At least he did something to protect us instead of Clinton who did nothing but hit on his secretaries and then lie about to the entire nation.

hated by almost everyone outside the US

Well that is because no one else experienced what we did on September 11, 2001 when 19 lunatics and thugs took thousands of lives without any reason for doing it.

someone who gives a shit about environmental pollution

Look, I do agree that President Bush should have a little more concern for the environment we live in and that I wish that pollution would end, but right now there are bigger issues than saving a little tree.

Also, why is it wrong for the President to have a faith in god? Why is it that the Left and you Euros want him to be an atheist and destroy religion in this country? It shows the president has a good sense of morality.

-less than a genius

Where in the United States Constitution does it say that the President has to be the smartest man alive?
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:43 pm

what do you european champagne socialist care about the US election (before you ask I am a US citizen).

Because whoever will be elected in November, will be the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Many of the decisions that President makes will affect us, and our safety, too. That's why we care.

I am sick and tired of the Euro Commies and their constant I hate Bush, Bush is a Moron, Bush is Evil TRASH

"Euro Commies". Cute. Are you related to Jwenting? You wouldn't recognise a communist if he stood before you and kicked you in the nuts.

I can assure you most europeans give a RATS ASS what happens on November.

I can assure you, as a European, that you are wrong.

And why do you always say all the "negative" things about Bush?

because there's hardly anything positive to say about him?

What is so wrong about a president with moral values?

Nothing. What is wrong is a President trying to impose HIS moral values on all his citizens.

what is so wrong about someone that want to DEFEND his country rather than sit on his ass waiting to be attacked again.

Remind me again how the war in Iraq was in defense of the USA?

etc. You get the picture...
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Thu Aug 05, 2004 11:47 pm

God these threads are a waste of bandwidth. So, let's see here. We have the Germans whining about how bad Bush is, Luisca worshipping Bush, Alpha 1 telling people they're right wing wackos, Zak touting the greatness of Marxism, people whining about spelling and grammar, people whining about the thread not accomplishing anything, people whining about Bush bashing, and Yanksn4 freaking out about the atheists taking over the country. Can anyone honestly say we haven't seen anything in this thread before? God.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:12 am

Re: The first modern democracy was the USA, you were still hailing your king with his totalitarian rule when the americans were voting.

Er no. Should read " you were still hailing your king with his totalitarian rule when white, property-owning, male Americans over 25 were voting."

Which is exactly what the voting qualifications for Parliamentary elections in England were in the same era - not much of an advance then.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:15 am

What is so wrong about a president with moral values?

A president who clamors for war doesn't have moral values.
A president that torches the environment, and lets polluters make the regulation on the environment has no moral values.

A president that says he's a Christian, then uses his faith as a weapon against others he doesn't like has no moral values.

A president who's economic vision is to prop up the wealthiest at the expense of the neediest has no moral values.

A president who deliberatly has policies destroying the educational system that most of our children use, to promote religious education, has no moral values.

A man who made a big windfall off the sale of his company's stock, when his company had lied to the public about it's financial health, has no moral values.

A man who shits on the rest of the world when they don't see things his way has no moral values.

The biggest lie about Bush is that he has moral values. He doesn't, nor do any of those around him. That sad part, is people like you are so blinded by the truth, and are afraid to face up to it, less it shows that you yourself have no moral values as well.

Another Bush bashing thread.........anything new happening on airliners recently?

Another worthless, pointless response from NWA742, another of the permanently blind.

It was nice to get something from the government instead of giving something to it.

And how much did you get? A couple hudred dollars at most? In a true middle class family-and mine is-a couple hundred dollars is NOTHING. Now, go ask people who are richer 'n God, who already don't have a fucking clue where to spend all the excess money they have, how much THEY got on their tax break-6 digits, perhaps, maybe high 5 digits.

If the little pittence you got from Bush puts stars in your eyes, when the bulk of the money went to the top 1% (who's income is more than about the bottom 60% combined), then you're a bigger fool than I first imagined.

Well that is because no one else experienced what we did on September 11, 2001 when 19 lunatics and thugs took thousands of lives without any reason for doing it.

One of the greatest tragedies in the aftermath of 9/11, that Bush, and the likes of you, have brought forward, is that the U.S., because a terrorist attack happened on us, has the right to do anything to anybody, and then use 9/11 as the justificataion. That's the mindset of people frightened into oblivion, not people who simply won't let the terrorists change fundamentally who they are. 9/11 changed people like you, into callous, heartless, damn-anyone-who-doesn't-agree-with-us paranoids.

And L.1011. if it's such a waste of bandwith, why did you feel the need to respond? So you like kissing Bush's butt. Big deal. Some of us don't. Get over it.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:18 am

" Zak touting the greatness of Marxism "

stop making up things to fit your agenda, i simply pointed out that things are not as simple as using the typical hicksville catchphrases like "commie" etc to describe how things are in reality. as intended, such an approach is inherently strange to certain people around here since the world, in their mind, can be summed up with "good", "evil", "terrorist", "morals", "faith" and "lets roll"


"The first modern democracy was the USA"

revisionist history by the usa, similar to the first flight issue.
the usa were the first "democracy like the usa", but the first "modern" democracy? hardly, after all you did not have full rights to the whole population till the 19th century. if you count a country without universal rights including voting et cetera a modern democracy, then the usa certainly wasnt the first, after all it took mr. king, mr. x, mrs parks and many others to make it a democracy for everyone.
if you do not need "democracy for everyone" to make a country a modern democracy, then again the usa was not the first, cause then switzerland takes the medal there, declaration of independence 1648.


"you were still hailing your king with his totalitarian rule when the americans were voting."

tell that to the black people in your country, i bet they would have preferred hailing to kings that were long gone in europe by the time they were allowed to vote in the u.s.a
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:26 am

If The people of the US dont want Bush to be president, they will vote him out in november, if they do, they will elect him, it IS that simple.

Actually the majority of people DIDN'T want Bush in the first place.

Hey Galaxy and NWA742:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/608696/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/603820/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/604733/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/602898/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/603985/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/600216/
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/598725/

And this is just within the last two weeks. There are just as many Kerry threads as Bush threads.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:03 am

the US president who spoiled the image of the USA like no one before

Oh bull. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Many Europeans disagreed with Clinton's unilateralist policies but when Bush does the same things you hate on the guy. A rift between the US and Europe was set in motion after the end of the Cold War.

We live in a new world and (SOME) Europeans have yet to accept it. Perhaps it will take another bombing in Madrid or Paris for all of you to wake up. And I'm not too concerned about the image of the US in Europe. Last time I was in Germany (after the Iraq war), US culture was still dominant. US music, McDonalds, Budweiser, Marlboro, USAF planes above, everyone speaking English. And if you go a little past Germany, you will find the Eastern European countries in love with America.

You can count on America to save the 21st century from it's first major threat. Just as we saved the 20th century from its two biggest threats--Nazism and Communism.

a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"

Or take less from the rich, give less to the poor. However you want to think about it, there will always be a rift between "normal Americans" and politicians. ALWAYS. John Edwards is the closest politicians I've seen to being close to the average American. Look at how rich Kerry is.

less than a genius

Agree with you here.......I still don't see how he rose to the ranks of being the top Republican. The man is clearly missing something; thank God he has LOTS of advisors who know what they are doing.

-a warmonger (well, at least more than is good for his country)

Typical European viewpoint........Petrified of war after centuries of starting them. As Bush has said many times, we didn't start this war but we will dammed well finish it.

hated by almost everyone outside the US

Just like you hated Reagan.........Or do we forget that now?
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 1:50 am

"and how much did you get? A couple hudred dollars at most? In a true middle class family-and mine is-a couple hundred dollars is NOTHING. Now, go ask people who are richer 'n God, who already don't have a fucking clue where to spend all the excess money they have, how much THEY got on their tax break-6 digits, perhaps, maybe high 5 digits."

So what? Why shouldn't people that make many times more than I do receive many times more back than I do?

I love to hear the super rich Like Clinton, Babs, and Ben Afleck complain about tax cuts and how much money they saved. If they are so fucking righteous they should donate the refunds they think they didn't deserve to charity, it is theirs to do with whatever they want...which is afterall the point.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:02 am

From a central european standpoint its impossible to even think of that Bush Jr. might be able win again

Which is exactly why my support for this guy is nigh-infinite!  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up




the US president who spoiled the image of the USA like no one before

*hear that*??
Yeah, that's the sound me giving a f^ck  Laugh out loud




a running symbol of "Give to the rich, take from the poor"

...amusing how "the rich" seem to be confused with anyone who filed/paid income tax  Insane



less than a genius

Kerry's no mental master himself....



a warmonger

who wants a puss for a President... other than Kerry supporters?



hated by almost everyone outside the US

A good omen. Would rather that a thousand times over one who licks Euro/UN rectum.



someone who exploits the country´s monetary resources on the expense of future generations and the rest of the world

who good's "future generations" if we're all minions of Allah?




someone who gives a shit about environmental pollution

...sure he does, just not to the point of giving backwater underdeveloped nations a road, car, and keys to run the hell over America




carrying a gun in one hand,

the only thing wrong with that, is that he's only using one hand...




the bible in the other

...better than Penthouse, like his predecessor.



and kills at the same time as he reads "Do not kill" without any sign of knowing what kind of picture he shows the world

knowing... or caring?
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 2:36 am

[sarcasm]

Wow- Europeans have a dim view of America? I'm shocked!

[/sarcasm]

 Yawn

This isn't even worth a genuine response, IMHO. But it is a validator of more of my opinions of Old Europe as it presently exists today.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:30 am

Scorpio another Great post with many valid Points! Welcome to my RR list!

BTW, I am a republican and do not care for either candidate.

Mike


Oops I wrote Candied Instead of Candidate!!! LOL :P

[Edited 2004-08-05 20:44:22]
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 3:35 am

I wouldn't want either of them candied either...shudder.  Big grin

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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:17 am

I won´t participate in the bitching contest (in which people from both sides of the pond once again have been showing that there´s a huge bunch of ignorance/stupidity everywhere in the world) but one statement just cracked me up:

Last time I was in Germany (after the Iraq war), US culture was still dominant. US music, McDonalds, Budweiser, Marlboro, USAF planes above, everyone speaking English

Apart from the fact that german culture is still pretty dominant in Germany (believe it or not: most people still keep their conversations in german and there are actually some guys in southern europe who wear Lederhosen while eating Sauerkraut and flirting with Heidi), you are right that US music is very popular here, just as McDonald´s, Marlboro and the english language. But BUDWEISER? This is a real insult to any german who tends to drink a decent beer from time to time (which translates into "all germans"). You will hardly find anyone voluntarily drinking that stuff here unless there´s really really nothing else  Big thumbs up

 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 5:43 am

Luisca:
I don't know about Panama but the United States consume more champaign than Europe. Europeans tend to drink more beer.  Smile
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 6:37 am

"the bible in the other

...better than Penthouse, like his predecessor."

Although I don't recall a time when Penthouse was ever used as a basis for burning people at the stake, imprisonment, torture, hellfire, damnation, slavery, fag bashing, etc.

Think about it the next time you go down on someone.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:39 am

Although I don't recall a time when Penthouse was ever used as a basis for burning people at the stake, imprisonment, torture, hellfire, damnation, slavery, fag bashing, etc.
you are crazier than Michael Moore if you believe Bush does all this
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:58 am

How the hell can you be called a "warmonger" when you are able to take out the Taliban in Afghanistan and are able to free the Iraqi people from the iron grip of Saddam Hussein?


Yanks, pay attention in your Social studies classes!!!

The truth is, is that W only sent in a little bit of troops into Afghanistan and the taliban aren't in power, but they sure are heading into a VERY scary civil war now in that country... and we only have like what? 3k worth of soldiers???


Freeing Iraqi people was the LAST reason to invade, do you not remember WMDs, direct threats, and the ties to Al-queda? All 3 of those have been proven wrong!!!

Other than a REJECTED letter from OBL to set up camps and the few dozen mustard gas capsules left over from the war at least 10 years ago, we've gained NOTHING... In fact, we lost nearly 1,000 US troops and a few civillian contractors...

GREAT job?! No!
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:01 pm

The best reason to vote for Bush?

He's not John Kerry.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:17 pm

The best reason to vote for Bush?

He's not John Kerry.


It's alright, Cfalk! We know Intelligent people scare you...  Big thumbs up
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 12:49 pm

It's alright, Cfalk! We know Intelligent people scare you...

I never considered myself to be frightened of my own side, but thanks for your concern  Big grin

I simply think that the Dems made a mistake choosing Kerry. When the encumbant is considered to be something of an extremist (left or right), the wisest choice would be to choose a centrist to capture the swing voters. Let's face it - the die-hard Democrats and Republicans (about 40% of the population on either side) rarely think things through. It's the 20% in the middle who decide who wins the election. By choosing Kerry, a senator with just about the most extreme-left records over 20 years, the Democrats have alienated the swing voters as much as Bush has. What could have been an easy victory is now going to probably be a photo-finish.

There are a number of things I dislike about Bush. I find his refusal to acknowledge his final responsibility for the intelligence mistakes unpaletable (even if, as I believe, it was an honest mistake on his part). I think he listens too much to certain people in his administration whose positions should be debated. His handling of the economy has been generally good, but he has not attacked porkbarrel projects and other sources of government waste in order to cut down on the deficit.

But I dislike Kerry more. I find nothing in his senate record that indicates that he is a man of vision or conviction. He constantly contradicts himself, which indicates to me a willingness to say anything to get elected, but once elected, his senate voting record will be the best predictor for his policies. And like I said, that record is poor. He represents everything I despise about the professional political class. I think that if Kerry wins, it will be a disaster in the long term, although there would be some short-term gains.

All in all, I favor Bush, and hope (and pray) that Bush will learn from his mistakes in his first term and correct them. But had the Democrats chosen a centrist - along the lines of Joe Lieberman, I would have voted for him.

Charles
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 4:24 pm

Well that is because no one else experienced what we did on September 11, 2001 when 19 lunatics and thugs took thousands of lives without any reason for doing it.

I so don't give a flying eff about Georgie or his "election", but this one needs to be responded to. Other countries too have lost thousands and thousands of their citizens for no acceptable reason (Britain, Spain, India, Sri Lanka etc) - which puts 11 September into some kind of fucking context. At least for the rest of the world it does.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:31 pm

Luisca,

you are crazier than Michael Moore if you believe Bush does all this

History has clearly never been your strong point, has it?

Rjpieces,

Oh bull. It was bound to happen sooner or later. Many Europeans disagreed with Clinton's unilateralist policies but when Bush does the same things you hate on the guy.

To quote you: 'Oh bull'. Europe may indeed not have liked every decision made by Clinton, but there's a big difference between a President who sometimes needs to take decisions against the will of his allies, while still doing the utmost to keep them as allies (Clinton), and one who basically tells the rest of the world to shove it (Bush).

We live in a new world and (SOME) Europeans have yet to accept it.

Sure, we live in a new world. And Europeans accept that. What we don't accept is that the way we have to deal with that new world is THE BUSH WAY.

Last time I was in Germany (after the Iraq war), US culture was still dominant. US music, McDonalds, Budweiser, Marlboro, USAF planes above, everyone speaking English.

And what does that have to do with Bush? Or the political image of the US in the world? Americans or American culture are not hated in Europe, and no-one said they were. The current Administration, however...

You can count on America to save the 21st century from it's first major threat.

Haven't seen too much of that yet. Yes, teh Administration has made a lot of noise, and dropped a lot of bombs. But believe me, it has done close to nothing to make this world a safer place. Quite the contrary: the Al Qaeda recruiting machine has never worked as good as today.

As Bush has said many times, we didn't start this war but we will dammed well finish it.

That's new to me. Last time I checked, Bush started the war in Iraq. Oh you mean the 'War on Terror'? But that doesn't include Iraq...

Just like you hated Reagan.........Or do we forget that now?

Trust me. The amount of dislike towards Reagan was nothing compared to the amount of dislike towards Bush. Peanuts.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 8:39 pm

@Cfalk: thanks for your last postings (at least a Bush-voter who speaks common sense  Big grin)

You surprised me with one thing:
Let's face it - the die-hard Democrats and Republicans (about 40% of the population on either side)

Is your 40%-figure an assumption (that's a very high number), or is this based on a study you read somewhere? If this is based on a study which is published on the net, can you please give me the link?

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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 9:45 pm

Is your 40%-figure an assumption (that's a very high number), or is this based on a study you read somewhere? If this is based on a study which is published on the net, can you please give me the link?

That was a WAG (Wild-Assed Guess). You're right, it might be a little high.

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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:25 pm

I am with Cfalk on this one. Bush is the lesser of two evils for me, which would be second time in a row.

Had the Dem party been able to rally behind Lieberman he would have gotten my vote.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:42 pm

I would have considered Lieberman myself, but Gore and now Kerry do nothing for me, i will have to vote bush now, because im not throwing my vote away on Nader.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 10:53 pm

-Deficit spending, unlike any other president.
-Huge tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, when the rest get almost nothing.
-A war that should never have been fought.
-Secrecy on every thing he does.
-State sponsored homophobia.
-Letting polluters and companies who don't protect workers basics for safety in the workplace, write rules and regulations that let them continue to pollute and violate safety in the workplace.

If that's what you want, Bush is your man. This isn't opinion, or conjecture, everything above is fact. Vote Bush, if you're for all of the above.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:43 pm

"It's the 20% in the middle who decide who wins the election"

Sorry, but the electorate is evenly decided. Its the clueless 4% in the middle who don't have a political bone in their body who will. These people are up for grabs by either Kerry or Bush.

"Let's face it - the die-hard Democrats and Republicans (about 40% of the population on either side) rarely think things through."

Yet another fallacy on your part. Many of these so-called diehard Dems and Republicans switch party affiliations in local and state elections all the time.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:48 pm

"everything above is fact"

Yes, it is, and the moon is made of swiss cheese, and John Kerry will have us all in new cars, new houses, with new schools in every neighborhood, crime, terrorism, and war will be something you heard about a long time ago.....

Isn't that right?
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:49 pm

"It's the 20% in the middle who decide who wins the election"

Normally, that is true, but I think you'll see that Bush will get nary a bounce, either, from his convention. I think that the majority of the people-over 90%, have already made up their minds, and it's that less than 10% that will decide the election, just like last time.

This election, if it's possible, might even be closer than the last one. There are so many toss-up states, that it's almost impossible, right now, to tell what will happen. Both candidates probably have upwards of 180 to 200 "safe" electoral votes right now, but neither, I suspect, have a firm grasp of near the 270 needed. It will come down, I still think, to Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania, among the bigger states, and Iowa, Wisconsin and perhaps New Mexico among the smaller ones.

And we could very easily have a similar situation like last time-the person who wins the most electors could end up with fewer overall votes.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Fri Aug 06, 2004 11:51 pm

Bush is giving more money to Pell Grant recipients. This is good news for college students. Unlike Kerry who prefers kids to stay at their own state university.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:05 am

"Bush is giving more money to Pell Grant recipients. This is good news for college students."

Only for a limited number of qualifying students who study math or science - approximately 15-20 thousand students. While this is a good idea, Bush has at the same time frozen Pell grants since he came to office. The Pell system is an excellent one, and should be expanded. I'm not aware of the extent of Kerry's commitment to Pell. Do you know?
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:08 am

"-Huge tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, when the rest get almost nothing."

I have asked you before what the problem is with people making more than you or I receiving more back in tax cuts than you or I...your money in your pocket is the goal right?

$300 to me is a good chunk of change, to someone that makes less than I do it is a huge amount maybe even rent for a month. To be sure it is far less than the thousands if not millions saved by some but who cares if it is all relative?

I don't plan on staying in my income bracket, and I am going to be hot pissed when I get to solid 6 figures and some jackass starts telling me I that I should be paying more in taxes...just because I can.

The whole system is corrupt. Cut taxes, reform welfare, and make some of the people that abuse the system get their ass out there and work.

This kills me, I actually know a guy who said he couldn't find work for a year...when pressed he admitted he couldn't find work in his sector, there were jobs just not ones that he A) wanted or B) paid similar to his last job.

How many lazy bums that complain about the "wrong jobs being created" are on the government tit?

How many of you know people that are chronically on welfare and un-employment? In my last career I personally knew hundreds, in a town where un-employment hovered at 3% with a pop of around 100K. Extrapolate that nationwide and we have major problems.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:17 am

I have asked you before what the problem is with people making more than you or I receiving more back in tax cuts than you or I...your money in your pocket is the goal right?

You tell me, what is the point of giving 5 or 6 figures back in taxes, to people who already have more money than they know what to do with. Conservatives like yourself say it helps the economy, but that's a crock. The ultra-wealthy can't even spend all their money, and you REALLY think handing them back a hundred thou makes any difference to them in spending? None, none at all. So this theory, trickle-down, it's called, is a load of shit. Those people already spend what they're going to spend. Whether they get that tax break or not, doesn't mean shit to them, in the long run.

Now, you look at an average family, like mine, who gets about $200 a year off taxes. We won't even notice that. Doesn't affect our spending either, does it?

My point is this: why not give a little more to those in the middle, or the bottom, where a grand or two, or three, would make them spend a lot more, instead of dumping it all to the rich, who already have more money than they know what to do with. I'm not saying the rich shouldn't get any tax break. But why not put it down to the middle, to make someone like me do an addition to a house, or buy a car, or put in a patio, or spend it on the kids?

The way it is set up, no one really benefits that much.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:35 am

Alf that sounds great in theory, but I am guessing you have long term plans, and hopefully one day you will be considered "rich" which is to say your family income will be above or at the 180-200K range. Why should you or your family be penalized for your hard work and success? Why should you have to pay relatively more taxes than your neighbor?

"The ultra-wealthy can't even spend all their money, and you REALLY think handing them back a hundred thou makes any difference to them in spending?"

But what it boils down to is that it is their money, my money, and your money...shouldn't we have the right to determine what we want to do with it?

"My point is this: why not give a little more to those in the middle, or the bottom..."

I see your point, and it is a noble one, but I think there are better ways to do that then taking from the "rich" and giving to the "not-rich."

Reforms, reforms, reforms. Take the money the govt. already has, and spend it with more responsibly. Something both sides of the political spectrum have had a problem doing.
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:46 am

Alf that sounds great in theory, but I am guessing you have long term plans, and hopefully one day you will be considered "rich" which is to say your family income will be above or at the 180-200K range. Why should you or your family be penalized for your hard work and success? Why should you have to pay relatively more taxes than your neighbor?

That's an easy one. When you start wars-of-choice in third-world countries that you are then forced to re-build to prevent an even bigger catastrophe, you run up some big bills. Someone's got to pay. The guy flipping burgers at MickeyD's can barely afford to buy himself lunch at his place of employment so he can't fund the cluster bombs.

Since the economic geniuses pulling Dubya's strings have decided that they'd rather spend their money on bigger yachts, we end up having to borrow that money. And you know who loans us the cash?

China.
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 12:58 am

"The guy flipping burgers at MickeyD's can barely afford to buy himself lunch at his place of employment so he can't fund the cluster bombs."

Maybe the guy flipping burgers at McD's should look into getting an education, or showing some dedication and desire to move up within the ranks of McD's...you may not know this but there is a ton of money to be made in the Quickserve industry.

"Since the economic geniuses pulling Dubya's strings have decided that they'd rather spend their money on bigger yachts, we end up having to borrow that money."

That is an interesting point. What happens when all those geniuses stop buying boats...what happens to the boating industry and all of the jobs it supports? Do you think that maybe there are some manufacturers outside of the US that can do it cheaper?


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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:09 am

Economically, the tax cuts affected almost *everyone* who is a wage-earner in America, not just the wealthy. More specious class-envy nonsense from the left if you believe the contrary. And let's just argue for a minute that the tax cuts WERE only for the "rich" (which according to the DNC's math, means over $50K earnings a year)....that means economic stimulation still occurs into the overall economy which in turn helps everyone across all spectra. This very simple (and un-Keynesian) concept has been proven time and time again and yet some refuse to believe it.

In terms of deficits, I'm less concerned with the deficits themselves as I am the rampant spending!! Bush has spent like a drunken sailor, and contradicts true conservative principles in the process. THAT'S what bothers me the most about his economic position. The biggest education bill ever, massive increases in Medicaire, a bloated prescription drug plan that will cost nearly double of plan when all is said and done, more funding for international issues that we should politely walk away from, and the complete disregard for protecting our borders and stopping illegal immigration.

I won't even go into the terror war or the European perceptions (although I have some thoughts on that), but suffice it to say that neither Bush nor Kerry have a clue about what the Constitution means.

And as a conservative/libertarian/Constitutionalist, I strongly reject being one of the sheeple and voting for the infamous "lesser of two evils."
 
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RE: Reasons To Vote For Bush Jr?

Sat Aug 07, 2004 1:10 am

That is an interesting point. What happens when all those geniuses stop buying boats...what happens to the boating industry and all of the jobs it supports? Do you think that maybe there are some manufacturers outside of the US that can do it cheaper?

To be honest, I'm more concerned about China & Japan's increasing leverage over our economy based on the number of t-bills they hold. The more money we borrow from them, the more dependent we are on them not to call in the debt.

The "boating industry" for gawds sake!

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