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Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:09 am

What are your opinions of school uniforms being required for kids up to the point of college/university?

What about strict dress codes instead of a uniform? What are some of the pros and cons of this practice?

 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:40 am

I had a uniform for about ten years of my life (up to high school) and I must say that it was nice in a way never having to worry about what I was going to where, and since I went to a small school, it was kind of like a stronger bond.

I do not miss uniforms, and was glad in when I could wear whatever I wanted to (to a certain extent) in high school.

I must say, uniforms do look nice in class photos.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:20 pm

I went through public school from K-8, then attended a private high school for 9-12. The private school had a uniform of slacks (kahki, navy, or olive), button-up dress shirt (blue, white, yellow, or pink, ha right pink), a belt, any appropriate neck tie, dress shoes, and a navy blazer for 2 quarters of the year. The public schools were wear what you want.

After experiencing both, I would take the uniform over anything. Period. About 6th-7th grade when you suddenly become self-conciscous of your image and the opposite sex, you start spending more and more time refining your image. I'm almost embarrased how much time I spent combing my hair, figuring out which shirts to wear, and what shoes were cool to impress some girl I got no where with.

Uniforms were great, no need to worry about what you wear. I just threw the clothes I needed in an althetic bag with no worries about what matched what, what looked cool, and on occasion, what was even clean. I wore the same tie for probably 2 years without changing it. Just threw it in my locker at the end of the day. It seemed strict, and it was, but I'm comfortable in dress clothes and if tie tieing were an Olympic sport, I'd be in Athens. In high school there is so much to worry about, it was a huge relief to have one thing that was carefree.

And actually, uniforms are much cheaper than buying designer clothes and t-shirts that cost 40 bucks. I think I only needed a few pairs of pants, a few shirts, and even though I got a dozen ties every christmas, I only wore one  Big grin
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 2:06 pm

I went to a private school for 7th and 8th grade, and a Catholic high school from 9th to 12th grade. At first, the whole uniform thing took a bit of getting used to, but by the time I reached high school I appreciated it to a certain degree. Its nice to just roll out of bed in the morning and know what you're going to wear (black pants, white or light blue dress shirt. In Aug., Sept., Apr., May we were able to wear a white polo shirt with school logo stitched over the heart). Its so funny to watch people in college struggle to tie their tie and needing help. My only complaint is that we would get demerits and detentions for basically any uniform infraction. I racked up a bunch of 'collar-button undone,' 'shirt wrinkled,' 'shoes not school regulation.' Although by my junior year I was fooling the man, I had a black pair of Docs (Doc Maartens were forbidden) and I used electrical tape to cover up the yellow stiching. No one ever found out. The worst part about uniforms though was those days after gym, when you'd be drenched in sweat after running laps. You could take about 10 showers, but you'd still feel gross putting your uniform on.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:23 pm

School uniforms are a good idea - eliminates the 'haves' vs 'have nots' issues of expensive clothing etc etc, and promotes unity. I wore school uniform throughout my school career, never did me any harm.
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Tue Aug 10, 2004 4:53 pm

Pros:

1. Not having to worry about what to wear.
2. Puts everyone in the same clothing class.
3. Eliminates the girls who like to dress like whores.
4. Eliminates the boys who dress like crap.

Cons:

1. Not being able to wear what you want (Within guidelines)
2. Feeling like a geek.

Through school I was against uniforms but totally for a stricter dress code. Overall I think uniforms would solve a lot of problems in the school system.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 5:06 pm



Exactly. This is also the reason why you have it in the UK. It's not because it's fashionable, but simply because of this. I just wish they could have the same rules here in Denmark. Because there is so mych eavilness in the schools here. and it makes me sad to se those poor victims.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:13 pm

I am adamantly against school uniforms as a violation of one's personal rights. I think that the advantages you people list being given as reasons to have school uniforms are a matter of "the ends justify the means". I think instead of making kids wear clothes they may not want to wear just to "equalize" everyone, grownups should let them wear what they want and just leave them alone to be free, and try to put their energies into educating kids to respect differences.

Clothes are a very personal thing. I for one don't appreciate other people telling me what to wear. I dress as I want as a grownup (including at work - I avoid jobs with dress codes prohibiting my kind of dress like the plague) and I would want to not be treated worse just because I'm a kid. I have the choice as a grownup to wear what I want and I don't want to be stripped of that right because I'm young. I think it's demeaning to be told how to dress and that whatever their advantages, uniforms are unnecessary. I went to public schools with little or no dress code and it really posed no problem in everyday situations. It is true that I was teased a lot in middle school because designer sneakers were all the rage and I didn't have them but believe me, it did not make me want school uniforms, just so everyone would be "equal". I would rather be teased and learn to handle it (and I did, it was a character building experience, I learned that people will respect you if they're really your friends) than have some grownup tell me to dress a certain way just so this "big problem" would be "solved".

Nor were clothing any real distraction in class. I speak from experience. I could say more but don't have time now.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:39 am

I agree w/most post so far, and say "YES" to school uniforms.

When I was in school, we didn't have any form of madatory clothes, but I and most of my classmates all wore pretty much the same thing, golf/polo shirt, blue jeans, and tennis shoes.

My daughters, who are in elementary school, take more time to select their clothes than it took me to select a new car, negotiate the deal, and get financing for it.

Our school HAD a voluntary uniform plan, that went well for a year or two. Then a lot of parents all seemed to get "stupid" on what was acceptable school wear for their kids. Stuff coming to school that looked like it was straight out of "Teenage Hooker and Thug Life Magazine".

Now they have a mandatory uniform policy, that's allows some individuality in color choices, but there's a basic set of guidelines on what's okay, and what's not.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 1:59 am

School uniforms may seem good in the short term, but in the long term they are absolutely moronic. The vast majority of the student population hates school unifroms, they infringe on your right to wear what you want, supress freedom of expression (not just within highschool.) You end up creating a huge group of people who just act like robots. School uniforms are a blatent violation of Constitutional rights and should be banned nationwide immedietly. Thank god my school has stayed away from this ridiculous practice.



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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:26 am

It is kind of hard for me to take a side on this issue. The problem with no uniforms is that all of sudden the girls look like they belong in some drug neighbornood in Los Angelees. However, the problem with school uniforms is that I wouldn't be able to wear my Yankee stuff, especially when the Yankees kick the crap out of the Sox in October.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:30 am

Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Here are my thoughts - why is it that the Catholic schools, who want their girls to be seen as innocent and pure, insist on making their girls wear what are arguably the sexiest outfits known to man?  Nuts



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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:08 am

Chile decreed in the early 70s (Allende's socialist government) that all the students, primary and highschool, should wear the SAME uniform for public and private schools, for avoiding divisions throughout the society.

The result: all the students wore the same clothes: Men: gray trouser, white shirt, red tie and blue blazer. Girls: Blue dress.

About 10 years ago, this decree was removed, and many schools kept the uniform, but a private distintive one, not the national standard, which is still very used. Almost 99% of our schools use some kind of uniform.

My experience with it? I had no trauma and my creativity grew the same, I never felt oppressed or something. It was actually pretty comfortable not to decide every morning what to wear, as I have to do it now!. It's really not a big deal for me, uniform or not it's fine

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:15 am

L1011- Before you go wrapping yourself up in the flag and humming the Battle Hymn of the Republic, maybe you should remember that school children are MINORS, not adults and outside of the full Constitutional protections, do not possess the same liberties as adults of contractual-consent age.

Uniforms are not a matter of personal freedom, it is a matter of learning.

Not only do the studies bear it out, but anecdotal evidence would suggest that kids learn better with some regimented dress code and/or uniforms.

I see kids walking out of public schools with raggedy ass jeans, risque and inappropriate t-shirts, hair done in whatever freaking way they want, and it's not surprising our schools are failing. The educational establishment is too concerned about how these kids "feel" then inculcating them with a sense of intelligence.

I value non-conformity and individuality as much as anyone, but in school, it should not and cannot be a distraction. Find your identity outside of school. Dye your hair pink and purple on the weekends. Wear a damn dog collar on your own time.

But schools are there to EDUCATE. They shouldn't be a social laboratory for misfits.

I'm a big proponent of uniforms, or at the very least a dress code.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:22 am

Since when do you have a right to free expression in school or in the workplace for that matter? Let's face it. In the workplace, if the company you work for has a uniform or a dress code, you abide by it or you find another job. School, at its basic level, is a training ground for young people to become adults and enter the work force and become productive members of society. It is not supposed to be a fashion show, a popularity contest or any other such thing. By removing the distractions that make schools these things, we make it a somewhat better learning environment. It won't fix all the problems, but it will help.

Uniforms do not make mindless robots. The mindless robots are already there just waiting for someone to lead them. Do you want this someone to be the instructor, or the guy (girl) wearing all the fashionable (fad) clothing? The kids who are already outgoing and strong willed won't be affected at all by the clothes they wear, but the weak willed ones will probably feel just a little better about themselves if we, the adults, help level the field a bit.

By the way, I attended NYC schools from K-12. Never wore a uniform once. Wore whatever I (or mom, when I was younger) wanted. I think uniforms or a stricter dress code would have helped me and those around me.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 3:37 am

"Here are my thoughts - why is it that the Catholic schools, who want their girls to be seen as innocent and pure, insist on making their girls wear what are arguably the sexiest outfits known to man?"

No clue, but every word you have said is definitely true. I made my girlfriend keep her uniform, even after she graduated from her Catholic high school and didn't have to wear it anymore. Except for me that is.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:20 am

It's not the outfit, its the fact that the "innocence" that comes along with Catholic School Girls has linked that dress with that image.

After knowing a few Catholic School girls I can tell you they are the wildest of all kids.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:52 am

Has anyone seen the video to the song "I want to break free" by Queen?

I'm not gay but Roger Taylor looked stunning in that shoogirl uniform.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:16 am

In school, which is a place of learning, uniforms should be worn by all students whether it's a public or private school.
Let's face it a student who must wear a uniform while growing up will be able to adjust to a workplace that may require a company uniform. Even if a company does not have a standard issued uniform then there are still dress codes to abide by, such as a suit and tie.
So to me it just makes sense to get it into school childrens minds that they must dress in a certain outfit while they are attending a certain institution.

One atribute gained by having uniforms is that it teaches people to be harmonious.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:22 am

I have had to wear a School uniform for my whole school career.

I have had 4 different types of uniform, starting with polo shit and jumper then moving onto blazers and ties.

I liked my last year of school the best uniform wise, all fitted and fairly smart, made you feel more older and respected.

but now all I have to wear is smart clothes to school, being that I am starting 6th form.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:46 am

Hi all:

I think Delta767300ER said it the best and agree totally with what he said. It boggles my mind how even though the school district I attend has a dress code, it has become looser and looser over the years and is more leniant in high school than in junior high/middle school.

As kids approach high school age, not only do they catch on to the fashion craze more and become obsessed at the brands on their clothing labels, but their desire for the opposite sex and to look good becomes very important. This leads to many "girls who like to dress like whores" and "boys who dress like crap," as previously mentioned.

It seems some schools have forgotten that their primary purpose is to educate students, not encourage the trashy, provocative, or inappropriate dress that many of today's students tend to wear in a learning environment. However, I believe that while school uniforms tend to be a rather severe way to deal with these issues, some freedom and individuality should promoted while maintaining a stricter dress code.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:55 am

Uniforms are a great idea, and most schools in Australia encourage students to wear one.
State Primary Schools(free education) years 1 to 7 a school uniform is encouraged but not necessarily required. Most schools offer a uniform at a discounted price so that its actually more cost effective to buy the school uniform. In the case of primary school the uniform may only be shorts of a certain colour and a certain colour T Shirt with the school emblem.

State High Schools(free education) 7 to 12 a school uniform is pretty much mandatory including the shoes and socks that you might wear. Only thing wrong with the school uniform for me in high school was the school jumper was completely useless in the middle of winter.

All private schools(you pay for the education) all years 1 to 12, the school uniform is mandatory and policed heavily.

School uniforms may seem good in the short term, but in the long term they are absolutely moronic. The vast majority of the student population hates school unifroms, they infringe on your right to wear what you want, supress freedom of expression (not just within highschool.) You end up creating a huge group of people who just act like robots. School uniforms are a blatent violation of Constitutional rights and should be banned nationwide immedietly. Thank god my school has stayed away from this ridiculous practice.

Seems like you are in the minority here, most people saying that uniforms are a good idea. Next you will be telling me that police officers and anybody that has to wear a uniform for work is unconstitutional. Yeah that is going to work. A school uniform trains children for the world where a uniform or some standard of dress will be required.



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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:19 am

Haven't experienced school uniform myself, but I'd be strongly in favor of introducing them over here in the Czech Republic. For all the reasons that were already mentioned in previous posts. Especially, reduction of the pressure children are exposed to from all kinds of ads seems to me to be quite important - since obsession with name-brand stuff is just so irational.

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Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:28 pm

EA CO AS, I have also wondered why Catholic Schoolgirls wear those outfits to! I'm Catholic and I think the girls look sexy in them but I disagree with wearing them to School/Church functions.


N243NW, Thanks for the kind comment  Smile My school district really made me mad. A few years ago my girlfriend came up and hugged me and I accidentally caught the back of her shift with my hand and it slightly pulled it up and a Dean saw her and told her to go to the office because her shirt was too short. Luckily I went up their and proved them wrong. My biggest problem was their were girls wearing these short shorts/skirts, and low cut tops and the administration didnt enforce that at all although it clearly stated in the Student Code of Conduct.

Your right about the fashion craze. It seems like H/S has turned into a clothing popularity contest and it causes a lot of problems. Dont get me wrong, some females do look good in short skirts/shorts, low cut shirts and tight hip huggers but I think it is a big distraction in school. Another thing I could never stand in H/S would be seeing a girl walking down the hallway wearing something showing her body off and a group of males would say "Nice ass" or "Nice rack" to her. If they were not allowed to dress like that then it would eliminate those problems, not to mention some of them can be borderline sexual harassment.

I would also like to comment further about the males. Over the last couple years I have noticed the punk/death metal/whatever style come into our school system where males are wearing their pants about 10 sizes too big wearing shirts that are completely oversized and also sticking needlepins into their pants/jeans which can also be used as a weapon. If males are wearing extremely oversized clothing it can also help to conceal weapons. My brother is a prime example of this style. First of all his hair is long and greasy, he hasnt shaved in 5 months so he is really grubby and he wears this style and it totally makes him look like he just got out of bed and threw anything on.

Ok, I might get some heat here but oh well.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:27 pm

I disagree with the minor comment. I don't think being under 18 means you should be treated like a vegetable. I would give more rights to young people, but that's a whole issue in itself. Also, saying that school uniforms train you for a world where there are dress requirements is erroneous because you can choose to work somewhere that doesn't have a dress code. I did.

Students learn even in places where there is no dress code. The "fashion show" affects what happens during recess far more than what happens in class. There are no generations of incompetents produced from having been in schools without uniforms. Treat kids as humans not as some kind of sub-persons and criticize the fashion industry that promotes name brands etc. Don't lay it on the kids.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:30 pm

Treat kids as humans not as some kind of sub-persons and criticize the fashion industry that promotes name brands etc. Don't lay it on the kids.

Instead, blame the parents. How can a functional adult allow a child of theirs to wear this stuff? I see these horrible outfits everyday in my school and it sickens me that the parents don't care anymore.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:09 am

When I was at school the majority of kids at senior school (age 11 - 16/18) had to wear uniform. At my school we had to wear a black blazer with school badge, black or dark grey trousers, black shoes, white or grey shirt and school tie. Every now and again someone would start a campaign to ban the school uniform, however they were always shouted down by those in power with cries of "we will never get rid of the school uniform as it builds pride in the school, promotes equality in dress standards and eliminates competition".

I have to say that it did succeed in building a certain amount of pride in the school and did give you a visible identity (which could be a bad thing if you were outnumbered in the street by a group of kids from a rival school!), however the equality in dress standards and elimination of competition is a load of crap. At my school it soon became the fashion to wear a certain kind of black or dark grey trousers (anyone out there remember Farahs or even Waffles?!), a certain kind of white or grey shirt and a certain style of black shoes. Anyone caught wearing generic M&S or BHS versions of the aforementioned items had their lives made a living hell in just the same way as kids in schools without uniforms would be if they weren't lucky enough to afford the latest named brands.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:30 am

They would look so HOT on girls !!! Big grin
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:41 am

Although I never had to wear uniforms in school, I am for it. In High School, kids are too quick to judge each other by what clothes they have. You soon end up having a problem where the more affluent kids pick on the poorer kids. A kid that can't afford the latest Abercrombie shirt should not have to worry about going to school and getting picked on. HS is so much of a popularity contest anyway...why not make it a little better.

My local district tried uniforms a few years ago and it didn't work because some parent's complained that it "hurt their child's creativity"  Insane. Never mind the fact that the kids were in KG.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:03 am

1. If we had had uniforms when I was in high school (in the mid-80s), it would have taken a ton of pressure off. I was always lobbying my poor mother to buy me all kinds of "status" crap.

2. As a person who works in the creative field (advertising copywriter), I used to be one of those die-hard-wear-jeans-to-work people. Over time I realized how much more professional I felt dressed in a more sophisticated manner. These days I work part time at home and part time in a corporate office, and I feel so much more creatively "edgier" on the days I have to "dress the part." I still manage to let my femininity and personality show through in my wardrobe, though. Being youthful and sexy doesn't have to mean looking sloppy or slutty.

I think people are sharper -- and feel better about themselves -- when they "dress the part." The kids around here dress like gangstas and ho's. Micro-minis, extremely low-cut tops, the whole bit. It's not appropriate when you are supposed to be focused on learning.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:47 am

I am adamantly against school uniforms as a violation of one's personal rights.
If you have a problem with uniforms, no one ever said that you had to go to that school.

School uniforms are a blatent violation of Constitutional rights and should be banned nationwide immedietly.
Schools that have uniforms are private schools, and thus the Constitution does not apply (not to mention that students are minors).

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:14 am

Schools that have uniforms are private schools...

Actually Will, the public DeKalb County School System (metro Atlanta) instituted a dress code/uniform policy two years ago. It's not a uniform per-se, but there are strict parameters: Kids are supposed to wear whatever the school colors are, with certain pants/skirts and tops.

Kinda sucks if your school colors are black and orange, as mine were.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2004 8:20 am

767Lover

Kinda sucks if your school colors are black and orange, as mine were

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:47 pm

Wow, I am actually shocked by the amount of support that uniforms have on here. I agree with 767Lover, If they had mandatory uniforms when I was in H/S I wouldnt of spent nearly as much time looking at girls and it would of took a lot of stress off me in ref to what I had to wear and what I would wear as far as to be "cool".

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:57 pm

My school uniform looked like blue pajamas, seriously, real odd looking.
 
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Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:06 pm

RE: My school uniform looked like blue pajamas, seriously, real odd looking.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:26 pm

Kinda sucks if your school colors are black and orange, as mine were

Everyday would be Halloween!

I just checked my school, and our colors are orange & black (I can't be bothered to remember this stuff.) Never even thought about "everyday being halloween" before either, until you just mentioned it, LOL.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:39 pm

My school was blue and white. I could see making the students wear navy blue pants (Not too tight of baggy) and a white polo shirt w/ the school logo on it. Our school's nickname was the "Blue Streaks" and the logo had an image of an "S" with a lightning in the middle of it. I think they would look very good and professional.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:32 pm

Well 767Lover, what you say about "looking the part" is fine as long as it's YOUR choice. I think it's stupid to be expected to "look the part" and people should learn to judge others by their characters, not their looks.

I resent the idea that kids are a bunch of cretins who won't learn unless put in particular clothes. If you want to learn, you will.

I value personal freedom more than some kind of artificial promotion of school pride and artificially imposed "equality" between students. Kids should be taught not to discriminate against each other, not forced in certain clothes in order to just plain not do so. And they may still do so after school when they take off the regulation duds.

And the comment "no one said you had to go to school" is nonsense. Basically everyone has to for a chunk of their lives.

Schools should be places with basic discipline to ensure functioning and order, but they shouldn't be like prisons where there are piles of intrusive rules you must obey. The schools I went to were generally quite good on these issues and there were no real problems.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 9:39 pm

All for them. Made life so much easier in school. There was no my shirt is more expensive than yours to deal with, and I'm sure the parents were happy they didn't have to keep shelling out so that I could on-up the other kids.

I wish I had a uniform at work too. It would save me serious time each morning if I didn't have to stand in front of the cupboard and decide what to wear. I could do with the extra sleep!
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:31 pm

The best reason for school uniforms is shown in a TV spot running for JC Pennys in the USA, right now. And it's promoting their back-to-school line of clothes.

We have a bunch of kid's dressed up like wanna-be rap stars and hookers, dancing around the school, like it was MTV's latest video. (They DO still show videos on MTV, right?) I don't want to see a 12 year old girl dressed like she's going to some club, or look at some boy walking around with jewelry hanging off 'em.


I'm all for letting kids wear whatever they want at home, but unless your school has a fashion show catwalk, worry about getting a good grade in algebra, not what the cool kid's are wearing.
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:34 pm

Schools that have uniforms are private schools...

Actually Will, the public DeKalb County School System (metro Atlanta) instituted a dress code/uniform policy two years ago.


I knew that I was going to get slammed for that. I should have said "Most schools [...]".

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:48 pm

Ever been bugged by a teenage kid, who keeps on complaining why we won´t buy her those $200 sneakers "everybody else" in school wears or those brand name $150 jeans?
Like us parents just don´t understand that she just "needs" to have this stuff or the other kids will tease her...

Well, 20 years ago, when I was in secondary school, all the commercialism was just starting. We had our "Poppers", with daddy´s credit card, who deliberately showed off expensive clothing, while on the other hand there were those anarcho punks (Sex pistol style), with ranzid leather jackets, full of metal studs, torn jeans, combat boots, spiky multicoloured hair and safety pins in their ear lobes (many of them were quite nice, but they often smelled a bit strange).

In Germany uniforms for children went out of fashion after the Nazis stuck the kids into their Hitler youth uniforms.
But today I´m in favour of introducing a simple, smart uniform, because, with the commercial pressure acting on the children, there are more and more stories about robbings, poorer children, who´se parents can´t affort the mentioned expensive stuff, robbing richer children off their clothes. Clothing became too much of a status symbol.
The school uniforms don´t have to look as boring as the ones I´ve seen in Ireland, actually the uniforms worn in the Philippines look pretty smart.

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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 10:48 pm

Here are my thoughts - why is it that the Catholic schools, who want their girls to be seen as innocent and pure, insist on making their girls wear what are arguably the sexiest outfits known to man?

very well put EA CO AS. lol. i went to a catholic school for the first 10 years of my school experience. i absolutely loved the girl's uniforms there, i even got one for my gf about a year ago.  Big grin i really had no problems with it, and still don't. probably because i knew it to be the way it had to be from the beginning.



School uniforms may seem good in the short term, but in the long term they are absolutely moronic. The vast majority of the student population hates school unifroms, they infringe on your right to wear what you want, supress freedom of expression (not just within highschool.) You end up creating a huge group of people who just act like robots. School uniforms are a blatent violation of Constitutional rights and should be banned nationwide immedietly. Thank god my school has stayed away from this ridiculous practice.

damn dude, you're really into it. take it easy man, it's not that serious. besides, what actual expression are you going to make through clothes? the designer you like? what we were once told when discussing a possible dress code at my high school (i was on student council) is that school lasts 8 hours a day, leaving plenty of time outside of that to do your expressing. just what i was told, i don't buy it. besides, haven't you realized that there no longer any real rights in this country?
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:40 pm

Will (SafetyDude),

Didn't mean to come off as a slam...just clarification!  Smile

 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:46 pm

Delta767- I agree, I was a bit surprised to see as much support for it. Good to know that common sense prevails.

Personally, my little guy starts kindergarten next week. Ideally, I'd love to send him to private school, but we're not in a position to do it right now. Nonetheless, my wife and I were talking about school clothes.

I told her that I'd go so far as to not have him wear any t-shirts or jeans to school. She frowned for a minute, but totally knew where I was coming from. I strongly believe that kids will act and comport themselves in a manner consistent with how they look and feel. If they look like scummy little slackers, that's what you'll get. If there's no distinction between what a kid wears at school and on the weekends at the playground, then you don't create an atmosphere or set an expectation for success.

Just my two cents.
 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:54 pm

I don't think requiring uniforms or at the very least, a certain dress code in our schools would violate anyone's right to freedom of expression. After all, there are laws that require us to wear clothes in public, even though the guy walking naked down the street may feel it is his "right" to do so.

There's also an argument to be made that a shirt tucked into pants that aren't baggy cuts down the ability for a student to conceal a weapon. It's sad that we have to be concerned about such things but, facts are facts. I have to wonder, if the 2 Columbine students responsible for that massacre had been mandated to wear a uniform instead of being allowed to wear their black trenchcoats, would have it been as easy for them to smuggle their arsenal into school?

 
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RE: Thoughts On School Uniforms?

Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:16 am

There's also an argument to be made that a shirt tucked into pants that aren't baggy cuts down the ability for a student to conceal a weapon.

That's what it's like at my school. We have to tuck our shirts in and wear belts. We all despised it at first, but after a while we got used to it and sort of like it now.

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