"There is a difference between criticizing somebody for displaying a flag at an inappropriate time and screaming antiJewish insults at someone. Even you can see that?
What's so anti-jewish about "He told us to go back to Israel and said that we were stupid and should be ashamed to walk around with an Israeli flag"
? If I see a British tourist walking around my hometown church dressed as the typical tourist (shorts and Man. United T-shirt carrying the Union Jack) I'd probably say something very similar, but that doesn't mean I'm being 'anti-British'. The fact that of the two parties involved in the above incident, one was Jewish, does not automatically mean this was another anti-semite incident. The complete lack of any further information on these alleged 3 'anti-semites' or what exactly happened should make us extremely cautious when reporting these kinds of events, specially bearing in mind the recent 'train-incident' in France.
"It seems to me that these people weren't criticizing a person wearing a flag; they were criticizing a person wearing the flag of the Jewish state.
It SEEMS to you, but how can you tell with the little information provided in the article?
"Frankly, if I were visiting Auschwitz, I could think of no better tribute to the Jews who died there then wearing an Israeli flag.
"If you truly feel that the French people were simply criticizing the Jewish students for wearing a flag, then fine.
How do you know they were French???
"If they were Jewish, why would they be screaming anti-Jewish insults at the group of students?
Many people tend to take any criticism as anti-semite when the receiver of such criticism happens to be Jewish. Possibly, and the lack of information points into this direction, the group of students also interpreted the criticism as anti-Jewish and therefore ruled out their 'attackers' being Jewish. And the only anti-Jewish insults they've apparently been 'screaming' is the one quoted above, and for which I certainly would like to know the full context before being able to judge this whole thing. People are jumping to conclusions here; 'french speaking'
suddenly becomes 'French'
or even 'French Idiots'
, and '3 male tourists'
are converted into 'a gang'
"Schoenorama, I hope you looked for those stories with the news agencies before you make any claims. In reading them, it wouldn't surprise me if Fox, CNN, MSNBC, etc didn't report those, because those events seem more like local events, but you try to pretend like they're all hiding something.
Actually, I'm accusing a particular poster on this forum of hiding things. And yes, I did do a news-search on similar stories in the US and none of them appeared on Faux News.
"You are just as bad at twisting.
Exactly WHAT I am twisting?
" In fact, I find it funny that you folks can't stand each other, but you're just like each other.
????? Who are you talking about ??????
"Who doesn't post anecdotal stories to make a larger point?
When doing so, one should at least post credible
anecdotal stories!!! Look at the news-sites reporting this alleged incident and the 'jumping-to-conclusions' I mentioned above.
"Also, if you're so insistent that the actions of these idiots don't represent the French population (which I agree with), then why are you so intent on telling us 'they might not be French'.
Because the entire article, in all it's versions available as I write this, lacks a great deal of information and context. That's perhaps the reason why none of the big news outlets have reported this.
"So what if they are; who cares what they are.
If they are not French than many of these articles are factually wrong
as well as this thread! You might have gotten accostumed to being lied at in such a gross manner, but I am not!
"It doesn't excuse their actions.
If a news-outlet's definition of journalistic objectivity
allows converting French-speaking
or even French Idiots
, then I sincerely question the credibility of the article itself. A completely lack of information on the full context of the alleged incident, on the 'perpetrators', their nationalilty, and their side of the story
, makes me question the source rather than the alleged incident itself.
"They were visiting a historical site for God's sake. Why are you defending them?
I am not defending them, the only thing I am doing is not accusing them! There's a HUGE difference. With the information available and the twisting done by certain media, I'd simply like some more info on the whole incident before jumping to conclusions, like you are doing.
"Because maybe deep down YOU think it represents all French people? Don't worry, it doesn't.
What a load of BS
"Wearing Israeli flag in Auschwitz (or for the same point in any other Holocaust related site) is absolutely legitimate. Do not forget that my country is here partially because the Holocaust had happened and also to prevent another one.
The Auschwitz site seems to be down, so I can't check whether it is legitimate or not.
I still believe taking any flag inside a gas-chamber is unappropiate as I also believe taking pictures inside isn't appropiate. Can't check whether this is allowed or not but have come across a couple of pictures people have taken. Other similar museums, like the Anne Frank's House in Amsterdam, strictly forbid this.
Something completely different I've just come accross. Look at this rather misplaced advertising-slogan for a Travel-site:
"99 things to do before you die: Visit a Former Concentration Camp"