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Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:37 am

Anyone ever encounter these ferocious beasts in the wild? Or in controlled circumstances? What was it like?

These bears are extremely formidable & in the case of the Polar very cute! Love them!
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:39 am

I've encountered bears at the Dugout bar on Sunday nights... sometimes at the Eagle too. You're right... some of them are very cute.

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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:40 am

Volunteered at the zoo when I was 14, got to cut ice-blocks and present them to the Polar bears so that they wouldnt fall over and die during the summer.

Some were just solid blocks of ice. Some were beef cuts or chicken fat/liver, frozen in a 2x2x2 chunk of ice.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:22 am

HKG82

Brown (grizzly) bears in the wild are very smelly!!! Especially this time of year when they are eating as much as possible (spawning salmon) getting ready for the winter... they are very dangerous if you happen to surprise a mom and cub...

Polar bears are also very dangerous and as an interesting note... the polar bear is the only bear that has a history of hunting man... other bears try to go away from humans... but polar bears are the only documented species of bear that will hunt humans in the wild...

Both species are easily seen here in Alaska.... usually at a garbage dump!
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 4:32 am

Nope just many Black Bears.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 5:02 am

I've encountered a few black bears in the Canadian Rockies, and one dead Grizzly that was poached for its fur  Sad

As Lono said Black bears and Grizzly bears will usually avoid humans unless they feel threatened or it's a mother who feels her cubs are threatened. Still animals that need to be respected though, I always shake my head when I see a story of a tourist getting attacked trying to hand feed a black bear.

To a Polar Bear however humans are nothing but breakfast/lunch/ or dinner. They are also the largest of all bear species. It's a good thing their habitat is pretty much inaccessible to tourists without a guide or I'm sure we'd see a few cases a year of tourist being eaten trying to feed the "cute and cuddly" 2000lb Polar Bear.

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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:26 pm

Grew up in brown bear country.

Nothing smells better then the belly of a 727 that has about 4 untanned, salted bear hides in it, in the fall.

Ones in the spring generallly don't smell as bad.....the bears haven't eaten a lot of fish yet I guess.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:32 pm

VonRichtofen: Yeah. Much the case with many other wild animals the population of bears in North America has dropped dramatically. But it can't be helped...  Sad
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:45 pm

Grizzlies are much more likely to attack then Black Bears.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:56 pm

Thankfully, in NJ, we've only blacks. I've seen grizzlies and one humongous Kodiak bear (the famous, now deceased, 'Goliath') at the Space Farms Zoo in Sussex, NJ. http://www.spacefarms.com/ That was the biggest damned bear I (or anyone else, I guess) ever saw! "Largest bear in the World -Goliath - 2000 pounds, 12 ft. tall (Guiness World Records) lived at Space Farms 1967-1991." I asked his keeper once, since Goliath seemed quite amiable, if he'd go into the cage with him. He replied with a stern glare, "NO!" A movie from the 70's called "Grizzly" tried to do a 'Jaws in the Woods' story with a FIFTEEN foot monster bear tearing up campers and hunters, It used a 10 foot tall, 1600 lb. trained Grizzly to portray the giant, which was supposed to be a Pleistocene Era throwback. Not a great movie but it had its moments. And yes, those polar bears can REALLY be bad news. Forget those cuddly, CGI Coca-cola commercials!
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 1:57 pm

Nothing like a pissed off defensive sow polar bear with you between her and her cubs... I saw a black bear crossing US-41 in the Keweenaw peninsula in Michigan a few years ago.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 2:19 pm

I have seen grizzlies in Denali National Park in Alaska. Some were from a vehicle while a couple of sightings were from a comfortable distance while on foot. The ones in this park are much smaller than the coastal bears since they do not eat as much meat.

I did see one polar bear on a visit to Point Barrow. It took off as soon as the tour vehicle approached the Point where some whale remains were deposited. There was not enough time to get a photo, but we did see one in the wild. Our guide told us that we are "the other white meat" for the polar bears.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:21 pm

baby polar bear says to mommy polar bear "mom, you sure I'm pure polar bear?"

mom replies he is, then he asks "no brown bear in the family?"

"no baby you are pure polar bear!"

"are you sure? no grizzly or kodiak in the family?"

"yes son you are pure polar bear! why all the questions?"

"cos I'm damned cold!!"
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sat Aug 14, 2004 3:32 pm

I watched a documentary about some German college geology students once who got sent to Spitzbergen for some field assignment.
First thing they had to do on the island was an arctic survival course going for two weeks.
During this time they also learned that nobody leaves the settlement without a rifle due to polar bears.
They had to practice shooting on the range.
Acc. to this documentary, if you are a visitor in Spitzbergen, you can rent a rifle at local grocery stores.
Polar bears are protected species there, but you can shoot in selfdefense.

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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:28 am

Grizzlies are much more likely to attack then Black Bears.

You have it backwards.

Though Browns/Grizzlies/Kodiaks are larger and can do more damage... Blacks are MUCH more likely (and also, much more documented) to attack humans.




Another interesting factoid is, while there's never been an officially documented case of a Grizzlie consuming a human; Black bears have been known to eat human flesh (dead or freshly-killed) quite often.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:54 am

Do neighbors count?  Big grin
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:12 am

Though Browns/Grizzlies/Kodiaks are larger and can do more damage... Blacks are MUCH more likely (and also, much more documented) to attack humans.




Another interesting factoid is, while there's never been an officially documented case of a Grizzlie consuming a human; Black bears have been known to eat human flesh (dead or freshly-killed) quite often.


You have it exactly the wrong way. I just finished a wildlife program this semester. There have been very few deaths cuased by Black Bears where there are many more by Grizzlies. I have encountered many Black Bears and for the most part if you make loud sounds and stand your ground they will run the other.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:44 am

You have it exactly the wrong way. I just finished a wildlife program this semester.

sh'yeah... guess I should defer to your superior knowledge then  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud




There have been very few deaths cuased by Black Bears where there are many more by Grizzlies.

Question: what's that have to do with the statement you're replying to?
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:07 am

I live in Montana. Right outside my back door (I live about an hour from Yellowstone), I have both Grizzly bears and Black bears. Grizzly bears=scary. Black bears=not scary. In fact, I'm more afraid of running into a moose in the backcountry than a black bear. Dash8King is correct, black bears will usually just lumber off if you make some noise and don't piss them off. Grizzly bears, you want to kinda move away unnoticed if you can, haha. Both are VERY neat animals, but a grizzly bear definitely poses MUCH more of a threat to a full grown human than a black bear.

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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:24 am

Yeah but ConcordeBoy lives in LA where he comes across all types of bears every day I think he is right.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:14 pm

Another interesting factoid is, while there's never been an officially documented case of a Grizzlie consuming a human

WRONG!!!!

There was a photographer in about 75 out where I lived who made the dumb ass mistake of pitching his tent in the middle of a bear trail. He was identified from stomach contents of the offending brown bear.

And just last year, Tim Treadwell a self proclaimed bear expert (Who I think was an idiot) who claimed that bears where friendly and would come up withing feet of them in the wild, got both him and himself eated by a bear at Katmai National Park. Again most of the bodies where found in "Food piles" which are made when bears bury a fresh kill for later consumption. And some of the two bodies where found in stomach contents.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 12:26 pm

I've only seen the locally famous blue bear up close...




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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:21 pm

Thank you L-188. I know like myself you have encountered bears in the wild which would you consider more fierce?
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:27 pm

Well I didn't grow up in the right part of the state for Polar Bears.

I have heard that Black Bears are more easy to provoke an attack then Browns/Grizzleys (They are actually the same species).

But I think that rather then commenting on which species is more dangerous, it is more important to avoid situation where you might provoke an attack. Getting between mama and her cubs very bad as is stumbling on a "food pile" like I discussed earlier.

Out in the tundra in summer I tried and avoid bear trails, which are actually pretty easy to spot, as well as alder brambles where you can't see more then 5 feet away, both are pretty dangerous too. And I alway yeilded my fishing whole when one of them wanted.

In any case I would recommend giving them a wide berth,
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:54 am

Oh yes, if you come between a mother and her cubs or a bear and their food then you will be attacked. But unless they are already pissed off Black Bears can be scared away much more easily.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:05 am

Yeah but ConcordeBoy lives in LA where he comes across all types of bears every day

...not everyday; but I'd say hitting a Cinnamon Black in '02 and having our Tickfaw cabin raided (Black) as we watched... is closer than 99% of you types, eh  Big grin
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:36 am

I encountered my first bear when I was about 6 or 7 and have encountered many more since then.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:14 am

Bully for you, want a gold sticker?  Laugh out loud
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Mon Aug 16, 2004 9:12 am

Nope but you were implying or at least I perceived you were implying that I haven't encountered bears myself.
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 5:51 am

I spend time every summer backpacking in the Rockies (just got back from a 5-day jaunt on the Tamarack Trail in Waterton), and I've run into both black bears and grizzlies many times. I'll take the black bears any day -- grizzlies have the potential to do far more damage, and they are highly unpredictable.

Once ran into a grizzly sow with two cubs, and thought my days were done. But it just collected the cubs and loped off down the trail at high speed. Took another hour for my heart rate to get back to normal.

No bears on this trip -- but did encounter a cow moose, alone. Fortunately it also took off. Moose are HUGE, and I almost think I'd sooner run into a bear. I always carry bear spray now, and once came close to having to use it on a big black bear.

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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:51 am

Terrific Arrow....I do remember a story of a guy that was transiting Canada enroute to Alaska, and had his can of bear repelant seized by Canadian Customs, because they considered it importation of an "Assault Weapon". However they had no problem with the 12 guage in the survivial kit.


I have absolutely no faith in Bear Repelant/Bear spray. Setting aside the fact that you want/have to be upwinde of the bear when you spray it, and how close you have to be for it to actually reach the bear, too many people have misused the stuff because it was marketed as "repelant"

They would spray it on their backpacks and clothes, like bug dope. Well guess what, doesn't do anything that way to discourage a bear.....and better yet, because people where spraying it on coolers and food containers a lot of bears have discovered that they like spicy food.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:58 am

What kind of spray do you use against an animal that rolls in decaying carcasses to "perfume" itself...?  Wow!
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:11 am

it's a form of mace/pepper spray.

Again, like I said, the way that it was marketed led some to think that it was to be used like bug dope.
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L-188

Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:13 am

L-188: Again, like I said, the way that it was marketed led some to think that it was to be used like bug dope.

Some people just can´t be helped...
 
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:48 pm

Hey, I have always belive the best protection against a bear is a slower friend
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:51 pm

To a Polar Bear however humans are nothing but breakfast/lunch/ or dinner. They are also the largest of all bear species. It's a good thing their habitat is pretty much inaccessible to tourists without a guide or I'm sure we'd see a few cases a year of tourist being eaten trying to feed the "cute and cuddly" 2000lb Polar Bear.

Actually, the ten-foot Kodiak Bear is larger.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:55 pm

Negative, as a species Polar Bears are bigger.

Kodiaks are only that big in the late fall when they fatten up for hibernation.

A polarbear doesn't carry that much fat.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:06 pm

L-188 is correct... the polar bear is the largest bear on the planet
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:46 pm

Bear spray is basically powdered pepper -- spray it in the bear's face and she'll be very uncomfortable, blinded, having trouble breathing, etc. and presumably will lose all interest in you. It's a last resort if the beast is 10 feet away and charging at you. It has been used effectively a few times, but not by me (not yet, anyway).

My wife got charged by a grizzly on a hike in the Bugaboos -- fortunately it was a bluff charge and the bear took off. So did she.
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:49 pm

I'll stick with a .45-70 Marlin guide gun firing handloads, souped up to the pressures that modern firearms can tolorate...

.12 guage shotguns are ok, but aren't my first choice for bear protection. In many cases I would rather be packing a pistol, Lighter and there are some very powerful rounds out there .454 Casull, and in the Ruger Blackhawk, you can really soup up the .45LC
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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:56 pm

I've seen bears, but luckily only in controlled areas or through the window of a truck or something. One time though I was taking the shortcut through the bush to a friends house and he got a bear suit climbed in and went out into the bush, and when I came along he jumped out. I soon learned it was him but for a second there it scared the living shit outa me.


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RE: Grizzly & Polar Bears

Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:38 pm

Yeah, officially I have had my truck bumper about 3 meters off the rump of a brown bear.

Out in the open, I am going to call it about 50 feet.

I don't like getting that close to them.

If you like reading about bears, there are two books by a high school teacher here nammed Larry Kanuit. Alaska Bear Tales and more Alaska Bear Tales. Both of which deal with real and legendary bear encounters up here.



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