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Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:09 am

I have received an email regarding Why Muslims do not eat PORK.


And there they were, on a flight from Sydney to Afghanistan, seated side by side, two gentlemen from two different worlds.......
After the formalities were covered, the conversation continued......
BOB: Tell me why is it that a Muslim is very particular about the words
Halaal and Haraam ...... What do they mean?

YUNUS: That which is permissible is termed Halaal and that which is not permissible is termed Haraam and it is the Quraan which draws the
distinction between the two.

BOB: Can you give me an example?

YUNUS: Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree that a
chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric
acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health.

BOB: You're right about the toxic nature of uric acid, in the human being
it is excreted as a waste product....... in fact we are told that 98% of
the bodies uric acid is extracted from the blood by the kidneys and removed
through urination.

YUNUS: Now I think that you'll appreciate the special prescribed method of
animal slaughter in Islam.

BOB: What do you mean ?

YUNUS: You see.....the wielder of the knife, whilst taking the name of the
Almighty, makes an incision through the jugular veins, leaving all other
veins of the neck intact.

BOB: I see.....this causes the death of the animal by a total loss of blood
from the body, rather than an injury to any vital organ.

YUNUS: Yes, were the organs, example the heart, the liver, or the brain
crippled or damaged, the animal could die immediately and its blood would
congeal in its veins and would eventually permeate (spread throughout) the
flesh. This implies that the animal flesh would be permeated and
contaminated with uric acid and therefore very poisonous ............only
today did our dieticians realize such a thing.

BOB: Again, while on the topic of food........ Why do Muslims condemn the
eating of pork or ham or any foods related to pigs or swine.

YUNUS: Actually, apart from the Quraan prohibiting the consumption of pig
flesh, ......in fact the Bible too in Leviticus chapter 11, verse
8,.....regarding swine it says, "of their flesh (of the swine) shall you
not eat, and of their carcass you shall not touch; they are unclean to
you."

Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it
does not have a neck ..........that is according to its natural anatomy.

A Muslim reasons that if the pig was to be slaughtered and fit for human
consumption the creator would have provided it with a neck. Nonetheless ...
all that aside, I am sure you are well informed about the harmful effects
of the consumption of pork, in any form, be it pork chops..... ham ......
bacon.......

BOB: The medical sciences find that there is a risk for various diseases as
the pig is found to be a host for many parasites and potential diseases.

YUNUS: Yes, even apart from that ....as we talked about uric acid content
in the blood.....it is important to note that the pig's biochemistry
excretes only 2% of its total uric acid content...... the remaining 98%
remains as an integral part of the body. This explains the high rate of
Rheumatism (any of various conditions Characterized by inflammation or pain
in muscles, joints, or fibrous tissue) found in those who consume pork.


I will not be available to answers any comments as it is mid night here, so I will check it again in the motning, after 7 - 8 hours.

Regards and best wishes to all users
 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:20 am

Well, you have also explained the rules for Kosher food, no.

All of this crap made sense oh, about two thousand years ago when we had no provisions for refrigeration and used porous crockery (speration of Milk and Meat in Kosher cooking)

In the 21st century it makes no sense what so ever, be it Halaal or Kosher.

This explains the high rate of Rheumatism (any of various conditions Characterized by inflammation or pain
in muscles, joints, or fibrous tissue) found in those who consume pork


Please back this up with some facts from JAMA, Lancet or even the Arthritis Foundation.


It's a cute throwback to the darkages, and if it helps you think you are closer to god (Jewish or Muslim) fine, but that doesn't make it accurate.

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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:25 am

Well, that would explain why the population of Mexico is decreasing - those fried blood tacos.

Wait a minute. Mexico city is one of the largest cities on earth. Must be immigrants.

Sorry, I don't take dietary advice from anyone since Adele Davis died (according to herself) from malnutrition and Euell Gibbons died of elm blight.

Guess I have to die of something.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:28 am

SlamClick

Euell Gibbons died of elm blight


He always said, that many parts of the pine tree are edible!

you really just dated yourself...LOL


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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:28 am

The Jewish faith forbids eating pork too.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:28 am

I fully respect the islamic habits and the Quraan .. however, it seems that the muslims live a much more strict life according to the Quraan than Christs do according to the bible.

The Books Moses is full of dont's and do's:
2. Moses 35.2 says that everybody who works on Sabbath has to be killed
3. Moses 19.27 says cutting body hair and shaving is a sin
3. Moses 18.22 says homosexuality is a sin
.. etc.

See, for most parts of the world with a normal civilised tolerant society it's IMPOSSIBLE to live according to the words of god / the bible.

In that case .. kudo's to the Muslims in sticking that hard to their Quraan. Off course only as long as it does not interfere with other cultures and societies ... speak about tolerance

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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 4:34 am

There's a lot of scientific inconsistencies with this:

Further, did you know that a pig cannot be slaughtered at the neck for it
does not have a neck ..........that is according to its natural anatomy.


That isn't true. All vertebrates have a neck, some just more pronounced than others. The cervical vertebrae is what makes up the neck...pigs have it.


Yes, Islam has prohibited blood of any type. You will agree that a
chemical analysis of blood shows that it contains an abundance of uric
acid, a chemical substance which can be injurious to human health.


Cooking meat at very high temperatures gets rid of most of the uric acid in the blood. Besides, there isn't THAT much of it anyway. You would have to have extremely diseased kidneys and not on dyalysis for a long time before the buildup becomes toxic.


I dont like it when religions use science to justify their beliefs.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:44 am

I think you guys are missing the point. Saleem is explaining why the prohibition exists. The first step towards a lasting peace has to be for differing parties to gain an understanding of why the other party acts in the manner they do. Out of ignorance comes fear. I think too often groups act out of fear that masks a greater ignorance.

 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:45 am

Out of ignorance comes fear

And out of ignorance comes faith. Notice how he uses bad science to try and 'explain' why pork is banned?
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 5:47 am

The first step towards a lasting peace has to be for differing parties to gain an understanding

It isn't understanding when a ridiculous statement such as "a pig does not have a neck" is said.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:09 am

Yeah, I left the "pig doesn't have a neck" remark alone. Too easy and besides it is a wash.

Regis Philbin (Notre Dame grad) once used the giraffe as "evidence" of creation. It is so different from any other animals that it could not be evolved from any common ancestor - right? His guest correctly pointed out that a giraffe is a type of antelope and not so very different from many others except in basic appearance. I think I read that a giraffe has fewer bones in its neck than a sparrow. Not sure if that is correct, but nevertheless . . .

So in the science bee it is still Catholics 0 Muslims 0 and I will not pick on either of you in theology but when you step into other arenas you do leave yourselves open.

I do know that even a snake has a distinct neck, body and tail.



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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:12 am

I have no problem with religious people who wish to follow the covenants of their religions strictly, and even encourage others to do the same. I have a problem when my friends of those religious persuasions can be found enjoying a scotch while they make fun of my BLT.

Religious prohibitions of food were designed to do the same thing every other religious prohibition or exhortation were designed to do....motivate people to behave in a certain manner so as to facilitate a culturally homogeneous (as much as possible anyway), peaceful, and compliant society where people coexist and obey societal mores peacefully allowing those in charge to enjoy their lifestyle with less anxiety over the next revoloution.

That said, while I do not mind observance, and I find hypocrisy irritating, I really find that the people who use their religious edicts as a cause for war and violence to be the worst kind of infectious human detritus.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:38 am

Pass the bacon please....


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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:40 am

that a giraffe has fewer bones in its neck than a sparrow

This is true. ALL mammals have 7 neck bones. It's a defining feature of the mammalian class. Giraffes have a longer neck because each of these vertebrae are larger and spread farther apart. Birds have about twice as many neck bones than mammals. This is why they can rotate their head more than we can.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:47 am

Unfortunately, you can cut the jugular vein of an animal and you will still have blood and uric acid left in the body of the critter. So, the so-called scientific reasons are in essence hogwash.

I've seen a goat being killed halaal style during Eid in Pakistan and the slaughter, halaal style, is just a cultural practice now. Interestingly enough, I am sure that PETA would be happy with it. The poor critter appeared to die slowly and peacefully, after which it was made into a delicious biryani.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 6:56 am

I like the way that a Muslim friend said it: "The Quran said that a pig is a dirty animal, so that is why we don't eat." Just leave it at that and keep science out of it, unless you want to get backhanded by scientists.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:00 am

So, the so-called scientific reasons are in essence hogwash
You cannot say hogwash... it is forbidden...may be nonsense, claptrap or garbage but definitely not hogwash  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Seriously though, I know a lot of Muslims and I respect anyone's practices of their faith. Be it Islam, Judaism or Christianity or anything else. However, I draw the line when people try to present their faith as scientific facts.
You see, the danger is, if you believe your faith is "fact" then you cannot, by definition, respect anyone else with a different set of "facts" and that's when the trouble starts!
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 7:03 am

Unfortunately, you can cut the jugular vein of an animal and you will still have blood and uric acid left in the body of the critter. So, the so-called scientific reasons are in essence hogwash

True. People and animals with healthy kidneys filter their whole volume of blood in less than an hour...there really isnt that much uric acid around in the blood.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:18 am

Dtwclipper, well said.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:20 am

Actually, IIRC, it's not just swine but any clove-hoofed animal, as well as shellfish that are 'forbidden'. That fact, 'seared' into my memory, I'm going down to the Motor City Casino and have a great pork roast with a lobster salad. All those that choose to eat dirt and similar have my blessings. Regards..Jack
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:11 pm

'It isn't understanding when a ridiculous statement such as "a pig does not have a neck" is said.'


That got a laugh out of me, too.
 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 2:02 pm

I just started that thread as I do not scientific proof of what I presented to all of you and regarding the particular email I received.

I was just sharing as I would like to get knowledge whether those reasoning were correct or not correct.

According to my understanding pork is even in US and Europe is disputed. I have read many articles in different magazine where persons from US and Europe proudly claim that they do not use pork.

If this is true that pork is disputed in other religion and different then there must be some reason, so I would just like to share that.

According to Islamic teachings, almost everything which do not harm is allowed and if any thing which has more injurious to health, may be having some benefits is banned in Islam.

For example, regarding alcohol, Islam says that it may has benefits but the loss is more so it is banned item in Islam.

 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 3:27 pm

Thank you for your insight, Saleem. I've a Pakistani Muslim friend who could not explain it in the detail you did; that it was against her religion was about it. I hardly eat any pork, myself, mostly due to fat content and a bent for largely keeping meat in general out of my diet. Good to know the why of this.
 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:25 pm

Mario - the Quran is definatley much more easy to live with than the Old Testimant, everything it bans makes sense.

About not interfering with other cultures - that only happens cause fundamentilists misinterprate the Quran.

Just leave it at that and keep science out of it, unless you want to get backhanded by scientists.

I've heard that and i've heard the sceintific stuff - I just don't eat it cause the Quran says so, no matter the reason.

The Quran forbids alchohol, and I thank thats justified; maybe a bit is good for you but most people dont just have "a bit".

Also, if we really look at things, smoking would also be considered haram because anything you do where you knowingfully harm yourself is not allowed in Islam.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sat Aug 21, 2004 11:02 pm

All that sugar in alcohol ain't good for you anyway.


And why shouldn't Islam ban pork? Since it shares a lot of similiarities with the OT (which came first, by many centuries). why not?



Pork is much healthier if it is from genuine free-range hogs that eat healthy grass (not soybean meal!) and lots of good bugs (protein) in the grass. That's the same reason why beef from Argentina (where the eat a lot of beef, yet it's grass-fed, not largely soybean-fed, like in the US) has less calories and much less fat than US beef.
 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:27 am

Guys, you are missing the point with all this talk about "bad science."

You forget that this science is based on science from almost 1,400 years ago! Of course we've learned a lot more about various issues.

The point is 1,400 years ago, pigs weren't clean. They didn't have the steroids and other medicines that are used today to ensure that the pig are clean.

The same thing goes with the uric acid in the blood.

The point is religion doesn't change. People who want to truly be religious and follow their religion will not eat pork or drink alcohol even if times have changed now and that pork is now clean (and it is now clean if dealt with properly, I'm not denying that).

Alcohol is banned simply because it is a hallucinogen. Any serious hallucinagens are banned, so that includes drugs. Sure, small amounts of alcohol will not affect you. But the point is if you drink large amounts, you will not be alert and will not be yourself.

A Muslim is supposed to have a clear free mind.

Just because we as Muslims believe that we shouldn't eat pork and drink alcohol, we're not going to criticize all non-Muslims for doing so! Everyone has their beliefs and we respect their beliefs just as we expect them to respect our beliefs.

And for those who say Islam has zero science, I suggest you read the Quran before you stress that statement.

There are numerous verses in the Quran that specifically say to pursue science and learn from it. Everything from the anatomy of the body to how human life originated.

While the same Creationism theory (Adam and Eve) mentioned in the Bible is mentioned in the Quran, evolution is also mentioned and it is left to you to decide which you want to believe.

The Big Bang theory is also mentioned in the Quran.

There are many scientific references in the Quran. If I have time later today, I'll try to pull out the verses for you.

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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:20 am

Alcohol is banned simply because it is a hallucinogen. Any serious hallucinagens are banned, so that includes drugs. Sure, small amounts of alcohol will not affect you. But the point is if you drink large amounts, you will not be alert and will not be yourself.

A Muslim is supposed to have a clear free mind.


Point of correction, alcohol is actually a depressant, not a hallucinogen. But your point stands as far as impairment of judgement. One could also argue that religion itself impairs judgement, hence the radical Muslims whom we are now fighting against. But that's another thread altogether.


 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:52 am

Just because we as Muslims believe that we shouldn't eat pork and drink alcohol, we're not going to criticize all non-Muslims for doing so! Everyone has their beliefs and we respect their beliefs just as we expect them to respect our beliefs.

BA,

I don't think people on this board are condemning Muslims for not eating pork and not drinking. I respect their decisions and it doesn't affect me in any way. It's the attempt at trying to justify those restrictions with science which is faulty and untrue. Something that every religion is guilty of. The only thing that can easily backed up by Science is forbidding alcohol.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:36 pm

""...Just because we as Muslims believe that we shouldn't eat pork and drink alcohol, we're not going to criticize all non-Muslims for doing so! Everyone has their beliefs and we respect their beliefs just as we expect them to respect our beliefs...."

Good response BA, and hopefully one that will "put to bed" general statements about "all" Muslims.

Thanks for the explanation Saleem and BA. Keep them coming. Look forward to info on other religions.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:01 am

Saleem, I am very grateful for your post. The more we study and seek to understand other religions, the less likely we are to think they are weird. There are many religions because there are different people and different cultures. It would be very boring if we were all the same. I very much appreciate diversity. Thank you for sharing this aspect of your faith with us.
 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 3:01 am

Thanks StarCruiser for encouragement

Please let me know that whether PORK in USA is acceptable by everyone or it is disputed. Actually according to certain articles my understanding is that often people feel proud that they are not using alcohol and Pork.

It is true??

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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:38 pm

In the past pigs and shellfish were usually found to eat in or around human waste hence the desire not to eat them. There are also the problems of keeping some foods fit to eat in desert climates.

Is alcohol banned in Islam? AFAIK, wine used to be made in Iran.

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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:47 pm

Please let me know that whether PORK in USA is acceptable by everyone or it is disputed. Actually according to certain articles my understanding is that often people feel proud that they are not using alcohol and Pork.

It is true??


I'm guessing you mean non-Muslims living in America (although I know of Muslims here that do drink)? In that case, I don't think it is true. Pork is a widely eaten meat here, and alcohol.....hmmm  Big thumbs up. If you check out a 4th of July barbecue, LOTS of Pork and Alcohol is consumed.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:38 am

Saleem,
I've actually heard that it was considered bad to eat pork in the olden days as pigs weren't domesticated for their meat and all pork used to come from wild pigs. Now, wild pigs eat EVERYTHING, even human excreta! So they were considered unclean animals.


Nowadays with pigs being domesticated for slaughter and fed only clean food, I don't think that argument holds.
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:43 am

Pork is very popular, especially ham, bacon, and that wonderful acronym, BBQ (Bar-B-Que).

Hogs are actually very efficient animals, and they keep themselves very clean (at least when they have enough space, because in overcrowded factory farms they don't).
 
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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:34 am

Well seen as Islamic Halaal Slaughter is illegal in most westernized countries unless the animal is stunned prior i see i big hypocrisy in all of this. The live export trade exists almost specificaly for Sheep and Cattle to be exported to Middle East Countries (Saudi Arabia dominatly) They argue they want the meat fresh for slaughter to sell at market. Do they ignore the torrid journey these sentient creatures endure on the live stock ships? The are packed so tight they cant get to the feedlots and those that can choose not to eat. The decks are flooded with up to 2 feet of urine and excrement

Real fresh and fit for human consumtion huh?
The livestock export is cruel and barbaric and so too is the method of islamic slaughter. In the 21st century such atrocities are inexcusable and thus refrigerated carcass exports i believe should be the only permissable way that meat can be transferred overseas for human consumtpion.
A bunch on information on the statistics and conditions of the live export trade can be seen at the link below.

http://www.animalliberation.org.au/livexport2.html

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RE: Why Islam Forbids Eating Pork?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:28 am

Saleem,
As a few other people have touched on, pork is a rather popular thing here in the US. Whether it be pork chops, a pork roast, or spare ribs....bacon, as well as some other things. That being said, I respect everyone's beliefs and I'm glad that they adhere to the laws within their religion. I think nowadays it is pretty well agreed upon that being kosher or halal is something of respect and tradition--the reasons warranting those restrictions imposed therein have long since been null and void, however they were very valid back in the day. Have a pleasant day!
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