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RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:30 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/22/politics/campaign/22repubs.html?pagewanted=1&th

I don't normally start these kind of threads, but this is so ridiculous I just had to. Apparently, Bush's advisers have decided that even though they're actually going to start saying what they will do to help the country back on its way, they'll still be bashing the democrats as usual.

Most of all, Mr. Bush's aides said that after five months in which they have focused almost exclusively on attacking Mr. Kerry, the president will use his speech to offer what they asserted would be expansive plans for a second term, in an effort to underline what they argued was Mr. Kerry's failure to talk about the future at his own convention.

I don't think I've ever heard a party acknowledge that they were using negative attacks this way. Well, at least they're honest about it.

Mr. Bush's advisers said they were girding for the most extensive street demonstrations at any political convention since the Democrats nominated Hubert H. Humphrey in Chicago in 1968. But in contrast to that convention, which was severely undermined by televised displays of street rioting, Republicans said they would seek to turn any disruptions to their advantage, by portraying protests by even independent activists as Democratic-sanctioned displays of disrespect for a sitting president

Disrespect? Since when did actually standing up and saying what you think about something qualify as disrespect?

With thousands of demonstrators coming to New York, Mr. Bush's aides said they expected competition for attention but said that posed more of a risk for Democrats than for Republicans. Even though Democrats are not involved in organizing the protests, some of the participants are almost certain to be aligned with traditionally Democratic groups, like labor and environmentalists, and Republicans made clear they would seek to link Mr. Kerry and the Democratic Party to any disorder.

Wow, how typical of the Bush administration. If you don't like something, blame it on the Democrats, no matter how remote the connection is. Look, there would be protests for the RNC even if Stalin was running on the democatic ticket. Kerry has absolutely nothing to do with it. Face it George (and Karl, and all the others), part of a democracy is that people have the right to protest you if they don't like you. And people don't need to be told to protest. They can make that decision for themselves. But I guess that Bush doesn't get that (and why am I not surprised?). Look George, stop screwing with the 1st Amendment, and just deal with it. Just do what the Democrats did in Boston and ignore them. And most of them will go away. But if you antagonize them like this, you'll never hear the end of it. Isn't that pretty common knowledge? I guess not in this Administration.
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:52 am

Disrespect? Since when did actually standing up and saying what you think about something qualify as disrespect?

Well, a guy, as I pointed out in another thread, got fired for protesting the president. To these right wing clowns, it goes back to "you're either for us or against us." And, if you're against them in any way, you're un-American, or anti-American, or evil incarnate. Seems they simply cannot tolerate any kind of dissent any more-either you agree with the president, or your life will be made miserable.

Back in the USSR, baby.

If you don't like something, blame it on the Democrats, no matter how remote the connection is.

That's the conservative m/o: no facts, just blame the other guy. I'm not surprised by this.

But I think the GOP will be terribly surprised that it impacts them negatively, and not the Democrats.

Now, sit back, and wait for the RWAK's to show up here, to spin this.  Smile
 
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:10 am

That's the conservative m/o: no facts, just blame the other guy. I'm not surprised by this.

Did you actually watch the DNC? All I got out of it was that Kerry will "do things better than Bush". I didn't hear many facts.
 
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:43 am

God, between this and the post about the guy who got fired from his job...From using a period of time where everyone was too shocked to question anything and dragging us into an unjustified war, to financing a group of people to dirty up a record of not one, but two honored war veterans.

I'm honestly scared for my country. It scares me that this election is so close, that Bush has a chance at getting reelected. It scares me that people actually support his perversion of power, not just blindly, but enthusiastically. I'm scared how this country is so divided, even after 9/11 when we should be together and stronger.

I'm scared that Bush's war had done nothing but fuel the fire of hatred for my country. I'm scared his focus on Iraq has made us open to more terrorist events that will kill more innocents further take our basic freedoms away. I'm scared justice will never be done. After three years, Bin Laden is still alive.

I don't like what this man and his cabinet and policies are turning my country into. And to openly admit they're going to attack, attack, attack at the convention should show you the arrogance they have. If I have one shred of respect for American society left, I pray that the people see though it.

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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:47 am

to financing a group of people to dirty up a record of not one, but two honored war veterans.

Make it three: the Republican Party did it in George against Max Cleland. Seems for the GOP that only Republicans are allowed to have honorable military service, even if they dodge the war by letting dad get them in the Guard.
 
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:56 am

Tell us again Alpha... What was your honorable service that lets you point the finger at ANYONE who served? Guard or Active?

 
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:56 am

" I'm scared how this country is so divided,"

It's actually not....just the loudmouths in the extreme wings of each party have gotten louder and more antagonistic. Kerry and Bush are essentially the same man with minor differences; they HAVE to be because the election is won at the center, where most of the country is. Both support the war, both are opposed to gay marriage, both understand the reality of outsourcing, etc..
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:57 am

the Republican Party did it in Georgia against Max Cleland.

How could I forget, my first election voting as a citizen of the "forward thinking" state of Georgia.

Disgraceful. I wonder how Saxby Chambliss sleeps at night?

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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:15 am

Kerry and Bush are essentially the same man with minor differences

One big difference is that Bush has done nothing but prove he doesn't deserve to be president over the last four years, to me, and to countless others, including your fellow republicans.

Guys, they are telling you ahead of time they are going to attack the democrats. Unless you are so far off the right edge that you actually look forward to that gleefully, this would tell you something. All you're gonna get inserted in your brains is negativity. That does not solve our problems, it deflects them

I'm tired of the negativity! I want to start seeing results. Where is the Bush that said he wants to help America "start the healing process" back in 2000? What happened to health care, education, the environment? Remember those issues? Now it's just war, terror, and unemployment. He's had four years, and unprecedented support in a post 9/11 country. What happened?

He's had his chance, I believe it's past time to get a different way of thinking in office.

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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:39 pm

As scary as this is, it does not surprise me. This administration has not been a supporter of the First Amendment. Hopefully the common-sense electorate will see through this.
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:42 pm

And Kerry does not support the more important second amendment

That is the one that protects the first amendment

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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:52 pm

What is it with American politics? Is it just me, or is US politics actually as petty and immature as it looks from the outside? I mean in most countries people just wouldn't care if you had an affair, or if you told a reporter to eff off, or even if you had a drink or 20 when you were 18.

Are these things really "issues" or are they simply those that get the most press?
 
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:55 pm

Did any of you folks actually watch the DNC?

All this talk about avoiding Bush Bashing leading up to the Convention, and then as soon as it started it flowed like a river.

Oh, and Alf that guy deserved to get fired. He has the right to say whatever he wants, as far as I know he didn't go to jail for it...his employer has the right to say what ever they want too...and that day it was "You're Fired."

If I as a representative of my company, go out and damage the reputation of our client, or otherwise make an ass of myself causing negative affects to the bottom line I'd be out.

I am sure he knew what he was doing when he received those tix.
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:17 am

And Kerry does not support the more important second amendment

Yes, he hunts, but he doesn't support the 2nd Amendment.

He doesn't support it the way YOU want it: firearms everywhere.

What an assinine statement.

That is the one that protects the first amendment

Actually, that's a bald-faced lie, and you know it. What has protect the 1st Amendment for 200 years is the fact court system, not firearms. I haven't seen guns used to back the 1st Amendment often, cowboy.

And it's ironic, you think that way, but here we have an administration who has the most "liberal" interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, yet they threaten the 1st Amenedment constantly, becuase of paranoia of terrorism.
 
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RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:19 am

Well, a guy, as I pointed out in another thread, got fired for protesting the president.

I still don't see the point in all the bellyaching over this:
He exercised his freedom of expression, and his private employer exercised its. Where's the conflict??




Both support the war, both are opposed to gay marriage, both understand the reality of outsourcing, etc

Superficially yes, but you need to look further in if in order to truly comprehend what truly defines each candidate:

i.e., they can say they [don't] support any issue, but the crux is whether or not they intend/propose to take action for/against it!

Bush, for example: continues to promote and finance the war; was willing to go through with the ammendment against gay marriage; but fails to address the issue of outsourcing (for those who assume their is one).

Kerry, on the other hand: can only bash, stifle finance, and never propose a blessed alternative to the war; says he doesn't support gay marriage, but doesn't propose a thing to prevent it from happening in the most likely manner that it would come about (i.e., the courts); but he does indeed take a strong stance [for once] against the issue of outsourcing.





Bush has done nothing but prove he doesn't deserve to be president over the last four years

....other than:
  • Act on what was the best information available against a possible threat to the nation/MiddleEast (something BOTH his predecessors should have done/finished)
  • win 2 wars
  • recover from the Clinton/Gore recession into one the fastest-growing American economy in 2 decades
  • give Europe and the rest of the world a complete and total F.U.  Big thumbs up
  • etc




    Are these things really "issues" or are they simply those that get the most press?

    When you get candidates as superficially similar as Bush & Kerry, they tend to be.

    Had someone as colorful/polar as Howard Dean won the Democrat nomination... absolutely none of that sorta bullsh!t would be a factor.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:25 am

    Well put Concorde.

    A race between Dean and Bush would have been interesting.

    I was actually pulling for Lieberman, would have voted for him.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:37 am

    win 2 wars..

    He hasn't won either. Despite his claims in his ads, neither Afghanistan nor Iraq are "free nations". Both are at war; neither have held any kind of elections (Afghanistan keeps postponing their elections), there is still fighting; both are still very unstable, and Bush doesn't have an exit strategy for either.

    If that's winning, I'd hate to see your idea of losing.

    recover from the Clinton/Gore recession into one the fastest-growing American economy in 2 decades

    One of the biggest fucking lies out there. The economy is still shaky, and growth has slowed way down. The "fastest-growning economy" is still down a million jobs from when he took offiice, and the jobs coming back are not as well-paying as the jobs going out. He's given the green light to corporations to ship as many jobs overseas as they can. He's running record deficits.

    What a big fucking lie.

    give Europe and the rest of the world a complete and total F.U.

    All you RWAK's think it's some great thing to tell the whole world to go fuck itself, simply because they dare to not want an unjustified war. Well, me and the rest of the world say to you clowns "fuck you, right back at you". Because you've made the U.S. a hated, loathed, butt-of-jokes country. I hope you're so proud of that fact.

    And these are the REASONS you give for 4 more years?  Laugh out loud

    Send him to Crawford, and he can be on vacation for good. He's a disaster as president, exepct to clowns like yourself.

    Well put Concorde.

    Well, coming from another RWAK, who doesn't have a clue about what is real and what isn't, I'm not shocked.
     
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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:03 am

    He hasn't won either.

    Militarily, he has.

    Despite his claims in his ads, neither Afghanistan nor Iraq are "free nations".

    Nobody ever said it can happen overnight. However, to deny that they are on a closer path to freedom than they were 3 years ago is lunacy.

    One of the biggest fucking lies out there.

    I suppose you know more than many economists out there?

    The "fastest-growning economy" is still down a million jobs from when he took offiice

    Economies fluctuate; As you probably know there was a boom under Clinton. But that had very little to do with Clinton. It was bound to collapse one way or the other. In fact, it did start collapsing when Clinton WAS IN OFFICE. So do we blame Clinton? Or maybe we can go back more and blame Reagan for giving us the deficits that Clinton dealt with?

    He's running record deficits.

    Deficits aren't necessarily bad.

    Because you've made the U.S. a hated, loathed, butt-of-jokes country. I hope you're so proud of that fact.

    If you truly think that the Iraq war was the ONLY cause of this US hatred that the world has today, then you are very naive. It has been brewing for years, even under your beloved Clinton who adopted a more unilateralist position, the war in Iraq just brought it to the surface. It can't be dealt with by simply keeping it under the surface.

    He's a disaster as president, exepct to clowns like yourself.

    Come on Alpha; that line can be turned around 100% against you.

    Well, coming from another RWAK, who doesn't have a clue about what is real and what isn't, I'm not shocked.

    I forgot, only you know what is real and isn't, and only you can judge what is right and not right.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:32 am

    Reese,
    Cut him some slack. He IS a self-professed expert you know, so how could he possibly be wrong?  Big grin He's a liberal, no matter what he claims. He will get upset, post pictures of his party's symbolic "JACKASS" and try and associate it with you, much the same as a grade school child would do when called a name. Let him ramble, he thinks what he says here will actually make a difference in the election, or on what people believe. Fun to watch, and it takes so little to get them worked up.  Smile
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:46 am

    Hmmm, what was I saying about "petty and immature"?
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:51 am

    Jackasses are just that way. JeffM can't help it. He has nothing to say about issues, so he sticks to bad one-liners.
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:52 am

    recover from the Clinton/Gore recession into one the fastest-growing American economy in 2 decades

    That's news to me. On what basis do you make such a statement? The economy is in worse shape than it was under Clinton.

    (1) Payroll data/employment has actually decreased since Bush took office. Source: http://www.bls.gov/webapps/legacy/cesbtab1.htm Among 20th Century Presidents only George Bush and Herbert Hoover presided over economies in which there were fewer jobs at the end of their terms than at the beginning. The Bush Administration itself asserted in its “Economic Report of the President, 2002” that nonfarm payrolls would hit 138 million in 2004. They are currently almost seven million jobs short of that goal. Source http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy03/pdf/2002_erp.pdf (See Page 53).

    (2) Economic Growth was better in every year under Clinton, with the exception of 1995. Source: http://www.bea.doc.gov/bea/dn/gdpchg.xls For most of the Clinton years, economic growth was much, much better than in years 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004 (1Q/2Q). Again, this conflicts with the rosy predictions for economic growth made in the “Economic Report of the President, 2002” cited above. 2004/2Q growth was particularly anemic, see: http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/30/news/economy/gdp/

    So what is your basis for saying that this is one of the fastest-growing economies in two decades? Please let me in on your sources this remarkable assertion... Very much Looking forward to your answer!

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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:00 am

    So what is your basis for saying that this is one of the fastest-growing economies in two decades?

    Because, for the RWAK's, there's not lie to big to help get Bush re-elected. And the biggest lie of all is that this is a fantastic economy.

    Even though Clinton had a great economy during his tenure, and even had a surplus on the budget, these RWAK's 1. won't give him ANY credit (although give Reagan and Bush credit for their economies, that weren't near as good, by the way), and 2. still try to convince all of us that these massive deficits, massive outsourcings, and net loss of jobs is some great thing for all of us.

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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:28 am

    Act on what was the best information available against a possible threat to the nation/MiddleEast (something BOTH his predecessors should have done/finished)
    win 2 wars
    recover from the Clinton/Gore recession into one the fastest-growing American economy in 2 decades
    give Europe and the rest of the world a complete and total F.U.


    Thanks for reminding me why I'm not voting for him!  Big thumbs up

    Hmm, lemme see... Clinton = Budget Surplus, Bush = Budget deficit.

    This is somehow Clinton's fault?

    Oh I forgot, Step 3 of the RWAK's flow chart. When all else fails, blame Clinton....It all makes sense now.

    And once again, Spinzels cuts thru all the BS with hard facts and data. Welcome to my respected users list for not engaging in name calling and attacks, just exposing the truth.

    Jeff, I hope you're paying attention. You can learn something from him.

    But I'm sure you'll opt not to.  Big grin

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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:36 am

    Militarily, he has.

    Are you sure about that? There was a piece on TV today about how the Americans are holding their own internal military tribunal in Germany because Iraq's not half safe. What kind of a victory is that?
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:59 am

    Republicans said they would seek to turn any disruptions to their advantage, by portraying protests by even independent activists as Democratic-sanctioned displays of disrespect for a sitting president

    Too bad I can't afford to go to New York, this just makes me want to go even more.

    Don't forget folks, Ken Starr showed tons of respect to the sitting President.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:11 am

    Don't forget folks, Ken Starr showed tons of respect to the sitting President.

    Yes, it's appropriate that two guys who waste taxpayers money have such respect for one another.
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:43 am

    "He has nothing to say about issues."

    Maybe a real issue, but certainly not in response to any garbage like this.

    Do you really think your making a difference in anyone's opinion? Seriously? Can't wait to hear your response to this....  Big grin

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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:24 am

    So Jeff, let me ask you directly. What is your take on the issue? I'd be interested in your thoughts...

    Exactly...

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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:27 am

    Even though Clinton had a great economy during his tenure, and even had a surplus on the budget, these RWAK's 1. won't give him ANY credit (although give Reagan and Bush credit for their economies, that weren't near as good, by the way),

    A good point, there is an interesting summary from Forbes of comparative economic data that confirms your analysis here:

    Source: http://www.forbes.com/2004/07/20/cx_da_0720presidentstable_print.html
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:29 am

    JeffM:

    Suggestion: Think you might want to delete your post # 27. It reflects pretty poorly on you and tends to confirm what was said about you in the posts above.

    Just trying to be helpful.

    NonRevKing: Thank you!


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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:50 am

    So Jeff, let me ask you directly. What is your take on the issue? I'd be interested in your thoughts...

    You need a brain to have thoughts.
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:57 am

    Brian,

    I could care less if they protest. I could care less what the Republicans do about it, or what the Democrats think about it. There is nothing you, me, or anyone else here on this little spot on the internet can do about it.

    O.K.?
     
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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:12 am

    If you don't care, JeffM, just shut the hell up. Is that so hard?  Big grin
     
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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:17 am

    Funny, you seem care enough to insult anyone who doesn't see things like you do.

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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:25 am

    Well, NRK, since 95% of the world doesn't think like he does, he's gotten quite used to such insults. They come so naturally to him, because LGW-Luftfahrtgesellschaft Walter (Germany)">HE'S A MINORITY! (what delicious justice).
     
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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:21 am

    Those were insults? Maybe among the boys and girls at your ticket counter.. LOL.... Try harder little one..

    You really believe your making a difference spouting off your crap here don't you...? Go ahead, let's hear it...  Big grin
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:26 am

    Did you actually watch the DNC? All I got out of it was that Kerry will "do things better than Bush". I didn't hear many facts.

    Gee....thats really surprising, maybe because you werent listening for them. Your right wing views probably got in the way.  Insane
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:28 am

    Why don't you spell out the "facts" for us Travis...

    We have a minute...
     
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    Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:39 am

    "First, new incentives to revitalize manufacturing.

    Second, investment in technology and innovation that will create the good-paying jobs of the future.

    Third, close the tax loopholes that reward companies for shipping our jobs overseas. Instead, we will reward companies that create and keep good paying jobs where they belong – in the good old U.S.A.

    We value an America that exports products, not jobs – and we believe American workers should never have to subsidize the loss of their own job.

    Next, we will trade and compete in the world. But our plan calls for a fair playing field – because if you give the American worker a fair playing field, there's nobody in the world the American worker can't compete against.

    And we're going to return to fiscal responsibility because it is the foundation of our economic strength. Our plan will cut the deficit in half in four years by ending tax giveaways that are nothing more than corporate welfare – and will make government live by the rule that every family has to follow: pay as you go.

    And let me tell you what we won't do: we won't raise taxes on the middle class. You've heard a lot of false charges about this in recent months. So let me say straight out what I will do as President: I will cut middle class taxes. I will reduce the tax burden on small business. And I will roll back the tax cuts for the wealthiest individuals who make over $200,000 a year, so we can invest in job creation, health care and education.

    Our education plan for a stronger America sets high standards and demands accountability from parents, teachers, and schools. It provides for smaller class sizes and treats teachers like the professionals they are. And it gives a tax credit to families for each and every year of college.

    When I was a prosecutor, I met young kids who were in trouble, abandoned by adults. And as President, I am determined that we stop being a nation content to spend $50,000 a year to keep a young person in prison for the rest of their life – when we could invest $10,000 to give them Head Start, Early Start, Smart Start, the best possible start in life.

    And we value health care that's affordable and accessible for all Americans.

    Since 2000, four million people have lost their health insurance. Millions more are struggling to afford it.

    You know what's happening. Your premiums, your co-payments, your deductibles have all gone through the roof.

    Our health care plan for a stronger America cracks down on the waste, greed, and abuse in our health care system and will save families up to $1,000 a year on their premiums. You'll get to pick your own doctor – and patients and doctors, not insurance company bureaucrats, will make medical decisions. Under our plan, Medicare will negotiate lower drug prices for seniors. And all Americans will be able to buy less expensive prescription drugs from countries like Canada."

    Did you bother to listen to that part of it Jeff?  Insane
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:44 am

    All I got out of it was that Kerry will "do things better than Bush".

    Well, that's a start if you ask me. But I'd love to hear Bush's plans for improving the economy, unemployment, education, the environment...

    Since he's the sitting president, and not the challenger, I think it's polite that he goes first. Big grin

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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:48 am

    And another thing Jeff, come back after the RNC and show me all the facts from Bush's speech. I'm sure there will be tons of them. Granted part of Kerry's speech was about doing things differently or better than Bush, but it seems you forgot who started the negative ads and attacks in this election. If I recall correctly, it was Bush. So, I think thats a little hypocritical on your part.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:25 pm

    Find your own facts... I won't be watching it. I didn't watch the Dems, don't need to watch the Republicans. And I don't care about either party's negative ads. I've already made up my mind.  Big grin

    Let's break some of those facts down...

    1. New incentives? (tax break)
    2. investment in technology (raise your taxes)
    3. we will reward companies that create and keep good paying jobs where they belong (tax break)
    4. we will trade and compete in the world. But our plan calls for a fair playing field (we already do that, level the playing field? Yea.)
    5. return to fiscal responsibility because it is the foundation of our economic strength (raise your taxes)
    6. Our education plan for a stronger America sets high standards and demands accountability from parents, teachers, and schoolsn (rhetoric, nothing more, hardly a fact, more like a wish..)
    7. And we value health care that's affordable and accessible for all Americans.
    (socialized medicine = raise your taxes)


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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:38 pm

    1. New incentives? (tax break)

    For those who already don't have a clue what to do with all the money they have lying around. Some incentive. It does shit for the economy.

    3. we will reward companies that create and keep good paying jobs where they belong (tax break)

    That's a Kerry plan. And if American companies can be given an incentive NOT to get rid of good-paying jobs, I'm all for it. How can you be against that?

    4. we will trade and compete in the world. But our plan calls for a fair playing field (we already do that, level the playing field? Yea.)

    Which means sticking it to China and other countries when they infringe on our copyrights. I have no problem with that. That will save U.S. jobs.

    6. Our education plan for a stronger America sets high standards and demands accountability from parents, teachers, and schoolsn (rhetoric, nothing more, hardly a fact, more like a wish..)

    Actually, it's not, and it's one of the things that needs to happen. Parents, teachers and schools do need more accountability. And, whether you like it or not, more money DOES need to go to education: to rebuilding infrastructure; to getting computers for all kids to help them compete in this century; to replace out-dated books and cirriculum.

    For many districts in NE Ohio, they can't even afford buses, or athletics, or computers, or even enough teachers, because idiots in many communities think education isn't a priority, and have let the districts bleed to death. They cry "Mismanagement!", but it's damn hard to mismanage when you don't even have enough funds to adaquately supply a school.

    From everything I hear you say, JeffM, you'd just as soon let the middle class rot, simply to keep from raising taxes. Do that, and you will destroy this country.

    We're in a war, and we have a president giving tax breaks to the rich. What kind of fiscal responsibility is that?
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:50 pm

    I can't say I blame the republicans for being cautions.

    It is well documented that the left wing tends to much more violent
    Just look at the WTO Riots in Seattle.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:03 pm

    Disrespect? Since when did actually standing up and saying what you think about something qualify as disrespect?


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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:12 pm

    I can't say I blame the republicans for being cautions.

    Of course they are being cautious, however, that's not the issue. The issue is that they intend on calling any & all protestors, disrespectful to the sitting president. Which is a bunch of horse sh*t, we still have the constitution you all know.
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:46 pm

    "..we still have the constitution you all know."

    ..which gives both sides the right to say what they want... You do remember that little part right?
     
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    RE: RNC Plans: Protestors=Democratic Disrespect

    Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:51 pm

    we still have the constitution you all know.

    And what part of the constituion allows physical violence and vandelism to be a lawful way to express those views? I must have missed that part....Is it toward the back?
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