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Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:51 am

Just a thought...

It seems like the true winner of the 2004 presidential election is going to be John McCain (see post on "Bush Favors Censorship"). Both Republicans and Democrats are fighting for his approval and support and although as a Republican he is backing Bush he has often come out in Kerry's defense. While this has been happening his popularity and public approval has been skyrocketing which could indicate that he is taking the right position in the middle of the two parties.

The question is, is it possible that he is positioning himself to be the Republican presidential candidate for the 2008 election? Could he possibly run as an independent with Feingold and beat the Republicans and Democrats? If he runs as a Republican could 2008 be H Clinton vs. McCain? Another question is if he ran for president could McCain help to calm all the animosity between the two parties and help stop the great political divide that is occurring in the US?

Would you vote for McCain?
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:01 am

One thing is for sure. I would vote for McCain.
I would never vote for either Bush or Kerry. They are nothing but a bunch of cry babies who are trying to be meanest.
 
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:02 am



>>Would you vote for McCain?<<<

Not until he distance himself from Bush......he did NADA to help Vets out in regards to the Swiftboat crap.......when GWB refuse McCains request to specificly denounce that ad McCain should have done the right thing and walked....run as far from him as posible.......Guess GWB had a job for him if GWB could be reelected.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:37 am

I'm sure he could beat them with a stick.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:43 am

Not really - he's too weak to deal with any form of smear & retaliate to it. Look at the republican primaries in 2000 when Dubya did the exact same thing to McCain as he's doing to Kerry now.
 
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:45 am

Not likely. While McLame is the darling of the media and liberals, he would not have enough support among the Republican base in order to win the nomination. Appealing to "moderates" does not win a party's nomination. You must secure the party base in order to win.

That said, the sooner McCain the RINO is out of the Senate, the better off the Republican Party and the country as a whole will be.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:57 am

Count on B757300 to bring comic relief!  Laugh out loud

McCain a liberal?
Not even! Just look at his voting record. McCain is anti-abortion too. Hardly a liberal or a moderate.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:58 am

Thanks for the daily dose of humor, B757300!  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:59 am

"That said, the sooner McCain the RINO is out of the Senate, the better off the Republican Party and the country as a whole will be."

LOL.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:15 am

I think B757300 rehearsed Karl Rove's talking points from back in '00 regarding McCain. The only reason why Shrub pulled it off is because of his name and, of course, the smear tactics and push polls employed here in my home state.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:35 am



B757300 has been hangin around another one of the RWAK comedians to long..You Know... JeffM...!!!!
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:56 am

Interesting that in a recent interview, John McCain described himself as a Republican in the tradition of Reagan, Roosevelt the first and Eisenhower.

He specifically left out reference to either of the Bushes.

McCain is a Conservative (the REAL kind, not the tendency that has hijacked that term) in that he has typical Conservative patrician views but not the disgusting, hardened character assasin type of makeup which is evident now. If anything he is above that.

Whoever set up the "Black Baby" trick on him in 2000 should be run out of town. McCain is probably the best President America never had, and one that is VERY clued up on air transport BTW.

My 2c worth. Remember that character destruction politics cost the Right massively in Britain. It could happen again. Americans aren't as dumb as the assasins think they are.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:14 am

Whitehatter:
Excellent post!  Big thumbs up

McCain is probably the best President America never had

Don't forget Al Gore, George McGovern and Robert Kennedy.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:17 am

Could McCain beat Bush/Kerry?

I don't know...is Vietnam the central theme of his campaign? Which party's ticket would he run on?
 
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:18 am

Superfly, there's another name I would add to your list, Barry Goldwater.



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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:20 am

Could McCain beat Bush/Kerry?

I don't know...is Vietnam the central theme of his campaign? Which party's ticket would he run on?


Remember 1992? The American electorate took extremely kindly to a right-of-centre independent then....a certain Ross Perot
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:22 am

Remember 1992? The American electorate took extremely kindly to a right-of-centre independent then....a certain Ross Perot

Indeed- McCain is hardly right-of-center.

 
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:31 am

McCain is a traditional Republican, and that could well appeal to many who abhor this current extremist manipulation of the Party. If anything he seems more in line with the politics of Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan.

Describing him as left wing (or even Kerry for that matter!) just shows a lack of understanding of the true nature of left-right politics. In Europe Kerry would be a Conservative, or at best a right-wing liberal who is definitely right-of-centre. McCain is a traditional Conservative who would be at home in Conservative parties throughout the rest of the world.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:00 am

Whitehatter:
Superfly, there's another name I would add to your list, Barry Goldwater.

No left him out for a reasons. By today's standards he would be OK and certainly a McCain like Republican. Lyndon B. Johnson on the other hand was an outstanding leader and perfect on domestic policy. He needed a man like LBJ to pass important Civil Rights laws, voting rights and picked Thurgood Marshall to the Supreme Court. I doubt Goldwater would have done such. Vietnam was his big mistake.
I am glad LBJ won that landslide election of 1964.

[Edited 2004-08-27 01:01:23]
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:02 am

I think this McCain would have a VERY good chance at beating bush and Kerry.



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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:04 am

B757300,

I think you make a very valid point about who controls the primaries. I feel that the Republican primary would be McCain's only true challenge towards the presidency. I think he would fairly easily win a general election with the backing of the Republican Party. If he were the Republican nominee he would win a majority of the Republican vote, he would win a fair share of democrats, and he would most definately win the independent vote (which is where most of the electorate is). Also he gets a pretty favorable viewing from the press.

I for one, hope he will someday be president. I think he has the common sense that will bring some sanity to our country that both parties are a little short on. And this is coming from a fairly conservative Republican.

Just my thoughts. Bimmer
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:05 am

Goldwater was actually quite progressive on a number of issues. On issues such as gay rights, he took the libertarian line that it was no business of the State to impose restrictions.

Bill Clinton had a great regard for Goldwater even though they were from opposing parties. Even Hillary Clinton spoke warmly of him in her book.

LBJ may indeed have been the better candidate of the time, but that was one election in which both were worthy of the office of President. Goldwater wouldn't have let America down. Being able to gain the respect of those in opposition is a great bonus for a politician.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:11 am

Whitehatter:
Oh no doubt by to today's standards Goldwater would be considered a decent man. Our nation has slid so far down to the right that some one who was considered a conservative in the 1960s would be moderate today.
Goldwater naver changed, the two major parts have both slipped to the right.

My favorite Goldwater comement:
"You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just
have to be able to shoot straight"  Smile
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:06 am

Our nation has slid so far down to the right

I would disagree with that.

Ordinary Americans aren't as stupid as those who would lead them by the nose might think. There is a backlash waiting to happen.

Unfortunately US news media does not have constraints on it which demand impartiality, and criminals such as Ann Coulter are given a platform. Anyone who advocates indoctrination of five year old children into ultra conservative dogma is a criminal who is committing a crime against humanity. Even Hitler didn't advocate the indoctrination of children of that age.

The USA needs its news to be unfiltered and unbiased. Fox is a stain on the face of a free nation, and Ann Coulter is advocating a crime against humanity. Her child books should be banned.

The equivalent station in the UK, Sky News, operates under the impartiality laws and is rightly honoured as the best news source in Europe. Time for Fox to sack O'Reilly and his cohorts. Tell the story without varnish or bias. Sky News is made by the same company as Fox, but Sky News wins awards constantly from its peers. Does Fox?
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:10 am

Whitehatter:
There is a backlash waiting to happen.

It better happen quick!
It certainly better happen by November! Big grin


I agree with what you area saying about Ann Coulter.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:18 am

I have a lot of respect for John McCain. I would definitely vote for him over Bush or Kerry.


Not likely. While McLame is the darling of the media and liberals

B757300,

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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:23 am

B757300:
Here is proof that John McCain is a solid conservative. There is nothing in his voting record that could be seen as liberal.
There is nothing liberal about John NcCain.
McCain did accept a small donation from a group of rich guys who happened to be gay (Log Cabins) so I guess in your mind, that clumps him in with Kennedy, huh?  Confused

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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:42 am

Superfly,

It makes no sense in arguing with 757-300. For him anybody to the left of Pinochet is a pinko commie b*st*d!

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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:51 am

I'm thinking a socialist stole his girlfriend or kicked his puppy somewhere in the dark past.

For an Anthropology student who still lives with Mum and Dad that 757-300 certainly has some strong opinions !
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:34 am

And fortunatly, PJ, when you call him on them or counter them with facts, he slithers back under the rock he came from.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:39 am

As the heart felt Left Wing Democrat that I am, I would definatly consider voting for John McCain. He's a very smart man, and knows what he's talking about. He's able to get past all the Democrat, Republican bullshit and just go for what he believes in. I dont know about you but thats what I want in a President.
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:41 am

I doubt McCain could capture his own current base... prolly be more successful running as a conservative/moderate democrat (not that that's saying much)
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:19 am

In my dreams the best ticket for the GOP would be McCain/Guilliani. But since he doesn't have the approval of the republican base I'd settle for Guilliani/Rice.

I'm not a fan of GWB, but against Kerry, I'll vote for him again in a heartbeat
 
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RE: Could McCain Beat Bush/Kerry?

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:37 pm

Today's headline in the Washington Post-

McCain Joins Bush to Rein In Groups
Senator Backs Action Against Organizations Buying Attack Ads

By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 27, 2004; Page A01

President Bush and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) joined forces yesterday to seek legal action to reduce the influence of "527" political organizations, but the two remained in disagreement over whether Bush should condemn a television ad by the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacking John F. Kerry's Vietnam service.

Bush called McCain en route to a campaign event in New Mexico to say his campaign would go to federal court to force the Federal Election Commission to prevent the independent groups -- named for the section of the tax code that governs their activities -- from raising and spending money in unlimited amounts.

McCain said he secured Bush's commitment to support legislation to regulate the groups. The organizations have used a loophole in the new campaign finance law -- of which McCain was one of the two principal architects -- to become significant and controversial actors in the campaign on behalf of both the president and the senator from Massachusetts.

Separately, Kerry agreed to take off the air a commercial using footage from a debate during the 2000 GOP primaries in which McCain directly criticized Bush for allowing supporters of his to question McCain's commitment to veterans. McCain had asked Kerry to stop running the ad.

In an interview with Washington Post editors and reporters, McCain said that he is grateful for Kerry's action and that he still hopes Bush will condemn the Swift boat veterans' ad attacking Kerry's service. McCain added that he plans to raise the issue when he campaigns with Bush next week.

But McCain, who has tried to put behind him bitterness over his defeat at Bush's hands in 2000 while becoming one of the president's most significant allies this year, also said he saw Bush's willingness to go to court to rein in the groups as more significant than not singling out the ad for criticism.

"I would like for him to specifically condemn that ad," McCain said. "But the most important thing to me is his commitment to bring them all under control, and that way we can do that. I can't dictate the president's response. I can only dictate my view, and my view is the ads are wrong and they should be taken down."

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36650-2004Aug26.html
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