soaringadi
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European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:33 am

I have a keen interest in European cars. Love to ride them as much as the American Power houses. So I was just wondering about who would win the European "car wars" ??
Now plz. do Not include brands like RR, Bentley, Maybach etc.
Lets just keep the competition limited to the Bmw's, Benzes, VW's, Porsche's, Audis, Opels, Saabs, Fiats, etc....
What I wanted to know was which of these are The Best handling cars ???
Cars which make you feel as if you are glued to the road. Cars that make you want to press the gas on curves. Now we all know the famous Bmw "ultimate driving machine" thing.... but is this true, or are the other cars just as good ??

Everyone's opinion counts !

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tristarenvy
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:40 am

Oh, to be behind the wheel of an OPEL, here in the good old USA. (Not counting the Saturn L series, and Cadillac Catera, of course)

I'll vote BMW 3 series. OR, the previous 5 series....

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whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 6:14 am

You can buy Opels in the US.

They are made in the Chevrolet plant in Mexico and are more or less identical to the European Opel products. My Astra (a Vauxhall badged Opel built car) is also produced in Mexico as a Chevy.
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DfwRevolution
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:07 am

All have their different aspects and style. BMWs are very sporty with excellent acceleration and handeling. Audi's are very powerful with excellent AWD in the form of Quattro. Mercedes are very luxurious and suave, and so forth. Really depends on what you like in a car
 
whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:47 am

Nicest car available in Europe now?

The Chrysler Crossfire. Oh does that look nice....
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Superfly
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 7:52 am

Can Jaguar be a part of this?

If so, I'd vote for the Vanden Plas and XK8 convertible.
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whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 8:28 am

Jags are built in Britain after all...Ford own the company but the work is done here.

Since Ford took over they have invested $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in product and the new Baby Jags are a bit nice too!

We even have a Diesel Jaguar now for the first time ever
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Superfly
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:07 am

Whitehatter:
We even have a Diesel Jaguar now for the first time ever

Now that's cool!  Smokin cool
Will they put it in the Vanden Plas?
If so, I hope it'll be availible here in the U.S.
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whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:13 am

http://www.jaguar.com/uk/en/x-type/Overview/default.htm

The X-Type is fairly new and not as big as the classic Jaguar. It's got one of the Ford turbodiesel engines which are rightly regarded as one hell of a piece of engineering.

It's still a comfortable five seater, just leaner and classier
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desertjets
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 12:09 pm

Personally I am a fan of Alfa Romeo. I would really like to see them make a comeback to North America now that their product is better in almost every aspect than it was 10 years ago when they left.

The new Jaguar XJ8L is a really nice car and the damn thing is under 2 tons... which is quite a feat considering how porky its German rivals are. Even the all-aluminum A8L tips the scales near 4500lbs. The styling is elegant and timeless and the gadetry for the sake of gadetry syndrome that has infected the Germans has, so far, not crossed the English Channel.
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usatoeze
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 1:36 pm

I know it is not always fashionable in the US to love things French, but Citroens to me are always awesome cars. Good performance, decent handling, tight ride, and strange enough to be different but not ridiculously strange to an American driver like some other makes can be(Noteably some Renaults). I have always loved the unique hatchback angle.

On the other hand I think that most Fiats I know(In Lat Am and Europe) seem like junk.

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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:05 pm

well if Jaguar are allowed then so must Aston Martin - the DB9 is just stunning
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Leskova
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:10 pm

Simple answer - Audi.

Best engines (forget BMW), best handling (really forget BMW), best comfort (forget Mercedes).

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Frank
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Andreas
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:59 pm

Nonsense! Whatever you guys had the chance to drive until now, go find and drive a Porsche, not that funny little Boxster but a real one, 911 or even worse like 959 or so. No further comments needed!

It gets clear from second 1 why Porsche has been for decades a serial winner in motorsports no matter which series, and they are the ONLY ONE who always manages to bring technology into street cars. Come to German motorways push it up to the limit and then have a real goody (if the road is empty...don't try this at home, kids), step on the brakes... Try it, you'll know immediately what I'm talking about


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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 9:11 pm

I'll put my money on the soon-to-be-released BMW M5 (E60). The V10 powerplant, active steering, electronic damper control, 7-speed SMG gearbox, 507 hp at 7,750 rpm, 19-inch rims with 255/40ZR-19 front, 285/35ZR-19 rear. I'll take mine in "Interlagos Blue." Vielen dank!
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Marcus
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:18 pm

Personally I am a fan of Alfa Romeo. I would really like to see them make a comeback to North America now that their product is better in almost every aspect than it was 10 years ago when they left.
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ANA
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:19 pm

Sub compact: Mini
Compact: Ford Focus
Midsize: BMW 3
Executive: BMW 5
Luxury: S Class
Roadster: MX-5 (Miata)
Supercar: Porsche Carrera GT
 
Greg
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RE: European Car Competition.

Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:08 pm

M5..hands down..not the prettiest face...but will be the meanest SOB on the road!
Taking mine in Silver or Black (which ever comes in first). Of course, that's 10 months from now at the earliest...

Automobile did the engine rating...looks like BMW was a tad conservative on the stats...they have reported 521hp on their equipment...
 
Superfly
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RE: European Car Competition.

Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:10 am

ANA:
The Miata is Japanese. Do they make them in Europe?
I know Ford makes the Focus in Europe and many other parts of the world.
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whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:17 am

The MX-5/Miata is Japanese built.

Japanese manufacturers do build cars here, Toyota Nissan and Honda all have major plants.

BTW Mazda is a Ford group company too. Renault own a large chunk of Nissan.
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whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:38 am

Been thinking about this thread today.

My nomination, after considering what's available, is the Overfinch Range Rover. A hundred grand's worth of leather-clad monster with active pneumatic suspension (no RR roll), huge Chevy 5.7 engine and every refinement you care to specify. New models have a BMW block handbuilt to Overfinch specifications.

http://www.overfinch.co.uk
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ANA
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RE: European Car Competition.

Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:16 am

Yeah, you're right Whitehatter! Let's go for the Boxter then.

Anders
 
GOTbound
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RE: European Car Competition.

Mon Aug 30, 2004 2:47 am

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Adria
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RE: European Car Competition.

Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:37 am

BMW:

735i/45i: No real difference (okay those 61HP do count) in driving and with the dynamic drive option it is a joy to drive.
645i: not as comfortable as the 7 models but a good looking car that is(in my opinion) far better then the SL model offered by Mercedes

Mercedes:

S:
BORING!

SL: to bad the production will end( a new model will come), it is very good looking and more comfortable then the BMW 645i




AUDI:

A8:
Probably the best car in its class. They basically copied and improved the BMW iDrive system but it is more easy to use(developed by Nokia). The only thing is that the 7 model or the S class do have more space in the cabin.

A3:
A nice car very stable but would change it for a BMW 1
 
Marcus
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RE: European Car Competition.

Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:09 am

This is a bit off topic but what can you guys in Europe say about the MG-Rover brand?........they just started selling those here but there, nice designs but what about reliability, resale value etc. etc.
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LoungeLover
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RE: European Car Competition.

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:30 am

Difficult question, as there are many cool cars out there, loaded with technology.

But the question was: what car is glued to the road?

Apart from the obvious Porsche 911, if you're looking for a sporty car, perfect build quality and great looks: Anything S from Audi: S3, S4, S6, S8, RS6, etc etc.
The ultimate car audi just released: Audi RS6 Plus (485bhp). Nice one.

If you want a jet: Mercedes CL 65 AMG.This baby packs 612bhp and will make Ferrari owners wheep while listening to your favorite CD in perfect comfort.
 
whitehatter
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RE: European Car Competition.

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:35 am

This is a bit off topic but what can you guys in Europe say about the MG-Rover brand?........they just started selling those here but there, nice designs but what about reliability, resale value etc. etc.

MG Rover is nothing like the nightmare it was.

The MG badged versions are the ones to look at. Best of the bunch is the MG ZS. The Rover 75 is a class act with retro 1950s styling touches.

Engines have a lot of Honda and BMW history in there so that's another vast improvement on the past.
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iakobos
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RE: European Car Competition.

Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:39 am

If your car is glued to the road where is the fun ? buy a train !
 
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RE: European Car Competition.

Sat Sep 04, 2004 5:05 am

Vorsprung durch Technik... I have no complaints about my A4 - a sheer joy to drive and own.  Big grin

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