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Fri Aug 27, 2004 5:43 pm

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2004/08/25/s1c_skkrispy_0825.html


And again, from the "stupid political correctness" catagory.

Krispy Creme doughnuts is under fire because they are planning to offer a "doughnuts for grades" promotion where kids will get a free doughnut (Max 6) for each "A" they earn on their report cards.

Now they are under fire for "promoting an unhealty lifestyle" because of this promotion....
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:06 pm

Last I checked you could still be healthy and have an occasional doughnut. People really need more to worry about.
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Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:19 pm

This is one thing with the (more authoritarian) left, which really p*sses me off. Rhis constant urge to "educate" people for the better and trying to make them fit into a template of a perfect person. Sorry, I´m too individualistic. long live the anarchy!

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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:03 am

I'm still waiting for their donut drink...
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:07 am

".. planning to offer a "doughnuts for grades" promotion where kids will get a free doughnut (Max 6) for each "A" they earn on their report cards."

Starting today, I'm going to spend even more time helping my 5 year old with his school work, as long as he brings the donut home to share...  Big grin
 
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:14 am

Nothing wrong with a Krispy Kreme as a snack-once in a while.

Last year, the Kansas City Royals ran a promotion with Krispy Kreme. The didn't think the Royals would be that good, so they had a promotion for every game the Royals got a dozen hits, everyone in attendance would get a coupon for a dozen free donuts at a participating Krispy Kreme in greater Kansas City.

Well, the Royals were off by a year-they suck this year, but last year, they pounded the baseball all season, and the ended up giving out like 500,000 coupons for a dozen free KK's.  Laugh out loud

Now, that's going a bit too far. But this? God, PC is such a scourge.
 
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:25 am

Good lord, how times have changed. I remember back when I was in Elementary School, Pizza Hut used to run a program where kids who read a certain number of books a month got a free one-topping personal pan pizza. Never heard ANY outcry over it. And we all know that a few doughnuts every report card is a lot healthier than a glob o'grease every month  Wink/being sarcastic Hell, I applaud Krispy Kreme, as I did Pizza Hut before them for trying to be a good member of the community by actually doing something to encourage performance in schools.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:40 am

This just takes the cake..err doughnut!  Pissed
There is a certainly a disturbing ascetic mentality that his too prevalent in our society and it's growing. It's found on both the left and right. The ascetics on the left makes a lot more noise and those are the ones I can't stand and they really need a foot planted firmly up there a$$!
Let the kids have there doughnuts!

These are the same people that like to pick on McDonalds for serving decent square meals at a bargain price. McDonalds being the benevolent company they are, buckles down to these fools pressure to maintain a good image.
I can't stand these self appointed experts that complain about our eating habits.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:44 am

I remember back when I was in Elementary School, Pizza Hut used to run a program where kids who read a certain number of books a month got a free one-topping personal pan pizza.

I remember that too! I think it was called "Book It" right?

Superfly,
Very true. Its always these idiots that ruin it for everyone. Take a look at an old post of mine where a school board banned schoolyard games which have physical contact (ie Tag, Dodgeball...)

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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:51 am

You guys are looking at this the wrong way. This is a secret plot to even the playing field in the historical tradition of the short story of HARRISON BERGERON written by Kurt Vonnegut http://penguinppc.org/~hollis/personal/bergeron.shtml.

The government has decided that it's not fair that some kids are smart and get A's so to level the playing field they're going to make them fat. That way we'll end up with smart fat kids and dumb skinny kids.

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Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:52 am

Mdsh00:
That is insaine!  Wow!

Just who in the hell are these people?!?!?!


Please don't look at this a liberal/conservative issue. THese people are just nuts and have too much time on there hands.
What is there social life like when they aren't at work?
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:13 am

Superfly,

Isn't it ridiculous? Back when I was in Elementary School, teachers used to take pride that their class was the best at Dodgeball, Nationball even more.

PC goes way too far with this 'blame others than yourself' crap.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:14 am

I can see the health issue here, but it's only a once a year deal so where's the harm?

It's not like KK are trying to force doughnuts on the kids every day

There are a lot more worrying problems out there to tackle. Cola machines in schools is one that is a lot more harmful than an odd doughnut.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:18 am

Mdsh00:
I am not even sure PC is to blame for this.
There are fringe group of people that try to push there agenda under the guise of political correctiveness. It really sets beck the more important PC issues.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:29 am

All this rubbish about "bad foods", the only reason they want to ban them is because a few fat people are too lazy to get off their arse and do some exercise.
Its the minority verses the majority, I mean what about guys like me who want to get bigger (im not going to get bigger eating carrots am I.)
I mean everytime I go in a shop all I see is low fat this, low fat that, I mean its ridiculous, what if i want to eat pizza thats fatty, what if i want fatty chips..its beyond a joke it really is.
All because of a few lazy fat people, I mean I can spend hours trying to find someone whos "unfit or fat" around here (Near Manchester), and still not find anyone, so where the claims that the UK is unhealthy are coming from I dont know.
I say give us choice, if you want fatty foods, let the companies give it you without them being "taxed" for it, but if your fat DONT eat the foods or go to places like MaccyD's, and by your OWN stuff, and leave us "average" people alone to enjoy our meals.

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Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:31 am

Well, I have a plan: Let the parents decide if they want their kids to get the doughnuts or not.
Kudos to Krispy Kreme (BTW, lets hope those words aren't on a spelling test) for at least making an attempt to set a goal for the kids.

 
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:40 am

I mean everytime I go in a shop all I see is low fat this, low fat that, I mean its ridiculous, what if i want to eat pizza thats fatty, what if i want fatty chips..its beyond a joke it really is.
All because of a few lazy fat people, I mean I can spend hours trying to find someone whos "unfit or fat" around here (Near Manchester), and still not find anyone, so where the claims that the UK is unhealthy are coming from I dont know.


Things are a bit different on this side of the Pond ... here in the United States, the current food craze is "low carb," with more and more food products* being offered in versions to fit the low carb diet, er, lifestyle. The fact that a low carb diet is often grossly high in fat, well, nobody seems to think about that.
Fad diets have a way of coming and going. I can remember the grapefruit craze of the mid-1980's, which called for consuming unordinately large amounts of grapefruit and grapefruit juice. The idea was that the grapefruit would somehow cancel out the calorie content of other foods, allowing one to pig out on sweets and junk food without weight gain, so long as you had your grapefruit. It didn't last long. Hopefully, the low carb di - I mean lifestyle - won't be around much longer.
The fact remains that far too many Americans are largely or wholly sedentary, and eat far too many calories each day. Exercise more, count your calories, and you can lose weight without resort to absurd fads. By the way, unlike the situation near Manchester, you can look around almost any place in the United States and find plenty of overweight and/or out of shape people without really trying.

* = including, believe it or not, dog food.


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Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:17 am

There's nothing wrong with political correctness.

Until parents are put on trial for neglect and abuse when their ten year old is obese, maybe companies should be forced not to advertise to kids.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:29 am

777236ER:
This isn't political correctness.
This is a rare case of some so called educator making an un-educated argument.
It's just a treat!
A doughnut!

There is nothing wrong with eating doughnuts, fast food, candy etc..
The problem solely is cuts in extra curricular activities, cuts in sports, cuts in outdoor activities, video games and too much television.

Let them have there doughnuts!


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Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:37 am

Until parents are put on trial for neglect and abuse when their ten year old is obese, maybe companies should be forced not to advertise to kids.

I think there should be no trials at all. If the kid is fat from eating too much, then the problem rests solely on the parents. Companies are NOT responsible because in the end, it's the parent that gives their child the money to buy the fattening doughnut.

I do feel that more should be done to introduce health foods in schools, and definitely get rid of the liquid sugar (soda) machines, but sometimes people do get too carried away.

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Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:41 am

I think there should be no trials at all. If the kid is fat from eating too much, then the problem rests solely on the parents. Companies are NOT responsible because in the end, it's the parent that gives their child the money to buy the fattening doughnut.

Until PARENTS are put on trial. PARENTS.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:44 am

If more kids are fat, fewer kids will get picked on for being fat!  Laugh out loud  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

There are plenty of stylish clothes for fat people nowdays anyway.
You can be and in style now. Big grin
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:57 am

Until PARENTS are put on trial. PARENTS.

Yes I read that. But I'm saying that it isnt worth it to put them on trial either because it's just a waste of our tax money.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:29 am

But I'm saying that it isnt worth it to put them on trial either because it's just a waste of our tax money.

Letting a kid get obese is neglect and abuse just as much as beating a kid up is.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:32 am

No need to take out soda machines or bring out lawsuits.
All the parents need to to buy there kids bicycles and make them ride to and from school. That's what I did when I was a kid.
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Sat Aug 28, 2004 12:23 pm

Bicycle.

Lucky guy.

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Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:57 am

L-188:
I didn't ride the bike on snowdays.
Parents took turns hauling there kids and neighbors kids in there station wagons in the winter.
None of that one kid one parent per SUV back in my day!   Pissed

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Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:23 am

There's nothing wrong with political correctness.

Nothing whatsoever? Not a single, solitary thing?  Confused
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:34 am

This is a rare case of some so called educator making an un-educated argument.

I think you meant the all-too-common case of a so-called "educator" making an un-educated argument, right? Big grin


Until PARENTS are put on trial. PARENTS.

That is just asinine. Parents should be prosecuted by the State for not raising their own children the best way that they feel fit? Pardon me for feeling like that is something you would find in Hitler's Germany, Mao's China, or Lenin or Stalin's Soviet Union.


Superfly is right, however. It's not necessarily a liberal/conservative thing, although people who push for this sort of thing tend to be liberal. It's a Yankee Puritan thing. You don't necessarily have to be from New England to want to get laws passed to impose your will on everyone else based upon what you feel is right. Some people just can't seem to mind their own business.

And Superfly would be proud. For a while, I had my weekly piano lesson at 7:00 AM on Fridays before school. Our piano teacher, who lived just down the street, would give me my half-hour lesson, their carry her two kids, my sister, and myself in her mid-80's white Oldsmobile wagon (the big one). It was fun to get to ride in the very back and face the rear while riding.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:38 am

MD-90:
That would be the Custom Cruiser.  Smile
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 8:52 am

When we were younger, we attended a Montessori school in the summer, because both of my parents worked. The proprietor, Mrs. Kay, drove a similiar wagon, but I think hers was a Buick something Supreme. It was tan, and I want to say that it had fake sort-of-wood looking side panels, but I'm not sure. She used to load up 3 people (kids) in the front, 4 in the middle (double belt one), and 2 or 3 in the back (also double-belted). Can't do that in a minivan.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:20 am

MD-90:

Must have looked like this. The Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme wagons looked like this from 1978-1987 then went to the smaller front drive platform in 1988 and was in production until 1996.


This is a diesel ad from 1979.
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:54 am

The real issue here has got absolutely nothing to do with health. To find out
what is really going on, one has to ask why Krispy Kreme has this generous offer. The answer is easy: marketing.

Get your customers to consume your product as early as possible. That way, you're investing in your Company's future, for these kids will only want to have your product in the future. It's big business.

These kids aren't kids, they are consumers. In fact, they are every corporations' dream as they are very likely to consume more and more as they grow. All these corporations have to do is to be as close as possible to these consumers. Some do it through advertising, but that's regarded as 'old-fashioned' by many. And what's a better place to get close to your consumers than in Kindergarten!

This isn't anything new, as some other posters have already stated above. Some schools have a clear policy against this kind of comercial infiltration in their schools, others just don't:

"Among the most controversial commercial ventures was Channel One, launched by media entrepreneur Christopher Whittle in 1989. Now owned by K-III Communications Corp., Channel One gives free satellite dishes, television sets, and VCRs to schools that promise to require their students to watch the company's daily mix of news and advertising. The program is broadcast in roughly 12,000 middle and high schools across the country."

(Source: http://www.edweek.org/ew/vol-16/36ads.h16)

Schools should stick to their main objective: to teach. The rewarding of the students should be left to the parents, and not to some "Kri$py Kreme" company that only wants to make money.
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 9:59 am

Schoenorama:
The problem is that the people complaining about Krispy Kreme is hiding behing "health" reasons. If what you are saying is true, why can't they come out and tell the truth as to why they are angry?

Krispy Kreme isn't the first nor last company to market towards children. Disney, Burger King, ALL THE RECORD COMPANIES, Fisher Price, Mattel, Matchbox, Legos, Warner Brothers and many others market towards children. That's not a crime at all.

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Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:20 am

Lego's struggling right now to compete with video games. It seems that the sets from the glory years of Lego (90's) don't sell so well nowadays. They've been reducing the number of bricks in sets to help them sell better (and at a lower price).


The wood panelling looked about the same as on the wagon in the picture above, the main difference being that it was that car was tan and that the rear hatch opend as one unit from the side. It wasn't split like the one in the picture.
 
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:26 am

Parents took turns hauling there kids and neighbors kids in there station wagons in the winter

that was what the back of pickup trucks where for, the authorities frown on that these days.

If a parent picked the kids up in a suburban or a blazer, you hwere living life large
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:28 am

Krispy Cream Doughnuts are full of FAT,Sugar, and when they're hot OMG are they good. When the "now frying" sign is on they pass out doughnuts for free !!! But they are a lot like "crack" once you have one you can't stop.
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:35 am

L-188:
The few kids that were dropped off in Suburbans, Grand Wagoneers, Travelalls and Scouts lived on farms on the outskirts of town.
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:47 pm

Superfly:

I am aware of the fact that Krispy Kreme isn't the first company adopting this strategy. But the actual Krispy Kreme issue is a direct result of allowing these comercial practices years ago. When decades ago schools started, for whatever reason, to allow corporate sponsorships into their schools, they could have foreseen that some of the products these companies are trying to sell have a (very) questionable effect on the health of children. Unfortunately, they didn't.

Parents send their children to schools not only because they want their children to learn, but also because they have to legally. Outside schools, children are already targetted massively by large corporations as the ones you mention, with TV commercials, cartoons, billboards, etc. Schools should stick to their primary function: to teach children. To teach them about what life really is about and what to expect when they grow up. Allowing corporate sponsors into the schools is allowing them into the classrooms and virtually substituting the teachers.

An 'education-world.com' 2000 report on this issue included the case of a Kansas company which developed a specialized marketing tool named "Kidsay". "Our ability to gain access to students through the Kidsay network is unprecedented. It has been proven that testing inside the school building provides a more comfortable and non-threatening environment in which children respond openly and easily to questions and stimuli." (Source:http://www.education-world.com/a_issues/issues124.shtml)

Kidsay is not working for the school, for the students. The students are working for Kidsay, during school time, with the single objective of allowing the large corporations to adopt their marketing strategies aimed at these same children, so they can sell more and more. That's not education. That the prostitution of education.


This particular company's actual website (http://www.kidsay.com/) hasn't really changed much. "Trend Tracker knowledge is gathered on kids' own turf, in the one place where they spend the most time congregating, socializing, influencing each other, and learning about the world: schools".

Kidsay has a Sample Survey at their website http://www.kidsay.com/sample_survey_folder/sample_index.html.

The survey is aimed at kids between 7 and 12 years which they invite to take the survey with attractive texts: "you are one of just a few kids who have been chosen to participate in this survey." Now that's BS, the more kids they get, the more reliable their info is.

Look at the following question of the sample-survey:

"-Do you own a CD Player?
-Do you have a MP3 player?


Now English isn't my first language, but shouldn't that be an MP3 player?

I am aware this is only a sample survey, but it is indicative of how Kidsay works and what questions kids are asked during school time and, last but not least, for what purpose.
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Tue Aug 31, 2004 10:52 pm

It's not necessarily a liberal/conservative thing, although people who push for this sort of thing tend to be liberal. It's a Yankee Puritan thing. You don't necessarily have to be from New England to want to get laws passed to impose your will on everyone else based upon what you feel is right. Some people just can't seem to mind their own business.

People with the New England "Puritan" viewpoint would be totally opposed to imposing their will on others. That viewpoint is largely libertarian.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:16 am

For everything there will be a group of smart-asses and rebels who have to make a problem out of it. Think about it.

Example: Company builds a stationwagon. Some half-brianed redneck falls off the back despite the 1000 warnings. OMG! Its so unsafe, take it off the market. The people with no sense of danger are lucky to have these people.



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Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:37 am

Schoenorama:
I agree with you on most issues and yes that Kidsay thing is disgusting.
Krispy Kreme on the other is totally innocent. What you have pointed out is not what these people in this case are crying about. They are screaming as if this is a health hazard and it's not. I am not a fan so sweets anyway and I think Krispy Kreme is over-rated. It's not poison, it's just a doughnut.


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Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:33 am

I love KK. They make Dunkin' Donuts taste like shit. Their coffee is wonderful.
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Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:38 am

David b.:
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