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Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:53 am

"I think him going to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter jets" - George Bush

Quick Question: Why would Bush say this. I agree with it, but I can't quite see how it will help him politically or in any other way. Any ideas?
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:56 am

He didn't say " "I think him going to Vietnam was more heroic than my being in the National Guard and staying in America."

He said it in a way that will sound like a noble gesture to some, and will also make him sound "bright" for having flown jet aircraft.

He doesn't do anything without a self-serving reason.
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:05 am

It is really hard to drive such a small boat around with only a crew of trained Sailors onboard though. Whereas everyone knows how easy it is to fly a single place tactical jet. Good point Diamond.  Big grin
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:06 am

Hi guys.

>> Scottieprecord, you asked .........

"Why would Bush say this."

Maybe because the life expectancy of a foot soldier in battle is much shorter than that of a fighter pilot. Perhaps it has to do with seeing actual combat and fighting. Did Bush? Kerry did.

Perhaps it was just a "Man to Man" complement from Bush to Kerry based on respect.

May the best man win!!!

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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:08 am

"Maybe because the life expectancy of a foot soldier in battle is much shorter than that of a fighter pilot."

LOL... this is great... now Kerry was a 'foot' soldier? That guy is amazing! Did he get a medal for that as well?
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:15 am

Why?

Because that makes him look like a compassionate person. The only problem is, he isn't.
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:16 am

Hello JeffM

Kerry received medals for his tours in Vietnam ..... what were they for?

Was he airborne in a jet or on the ground?

Was he passing out mashed food in a tent?

Did he carry a riffle?


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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:23 am

Kerry was anything but a foot soldier. He was on a small river boat.

"Was he passing out mashed food in a tent?

Hell no, the Navy is renouned for having better chow then the Army, I would think even you would know that. But I'm sure he does like his ketchup.  Big grin
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:25 am

Hi guys.

For the record, Kerry earned a Silver Star, a Bronze Star with combat V, and three Purple Hearts.!!!

So what's so funny about him being a foot soldier? I don't get it.


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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:31 am

It's like calling a guy that drives a truck to the airport a pilot.  Big grin

Get it?
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:31 am

Hello again.

I'm trying to learn here.

So Kerry never set one foot on land? He never left his small river boat. Perhaps he did not. He always stayed on the boat! I wonder how he earned those medals? He must have used the weapons on the boat to fight/kill the enemy.

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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:52 am

Well, there's an interesting syndicated column by Deborah Mathis in today's paper - shows a slightly different perspective ....

She says that the fact Kerry went to Viet Nam willingly, when he was called to duty, is heroic enough. At least he was prepared to die .... so what eventually happened there is really irrelevant.

Many people, like Bush, used high-level political contacts to avoid even being "called to duty".

Here's the link ..
http://www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?catid=1041&custid=67

Select "8-24-2004" from the archive date.

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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:20 am

Hardly insightful, as that opinion has been around the table too many times to mention. If Ms Mathis moved an inch further to the left, she would fall off the scale.

What did Ms. Mathis have to say about the hundreds of thousands of men and women that did not chose to go overseas? Are they all un-worthy too? Be careful, your response may be used against you.  Big grin
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:39 am

"I think him going to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter jets" - George Bush

Quick Question: Why would Bush say this. I agree with it, but I can't quite see how it will help him politically or in any other way. Any ideas?


I believe this statement was preceded by a questions about WMDs in Iraq.
 
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:28 am

"He doesn't do anything without a self-serving reason."

*eye roll* unlike the myriad completely altruistic other politicians...
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:29 am

From what I am reading, many of you do not know your Viet Nam history. There were loads of celebrities who dodged the draft and got away with it. And there were many average Americans who crossed the border into Canada because the understanding was that if you went to Viet Nam, you were coming home in a body bag. It is bad enough that the Viet Nam era vet does not get any respect. It should be a crime to glorify those who didn't have the balls to at least show up. I gave three years of my life during that period and had to cope with the reprecussions of the civil unrest at home because of the assassination Martin Luther King, Jr. Now I take orders at work from young punks who have not served even a single day in peace time. History is currently repeating itself before our very eyes. Who will be around to welcome, remember and say thank you 35 years from now to those who are now serving in Afganistan and Iraq? If you can't say thank you now, you sure as hell will not say it then.
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:27 pm

Dear Blackbird1331.

I'd like to say "THANK YOU" for fighting the enemies of freedom. I was born in 1966, so there wasn't much I could do at the time.

I'm gratefull to you for your courage!! Thank You Sir.


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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 1:41 pm

Bush said "going to Vietnam" was more heroic...NOT that what Kerry did there was so...there is a difference....
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:06 pm

Thank you, Mr Spaceman. I did not actually go to Viet Nam but did serve during the war. I was limited by my eye sight.

There is a difference between now and then. In Viet Nam it was guys who joined or were drafted. Now its those who join or who are in the various "reserves". Either way, it is by choice.

Don't feel bad about not having to fight. The real ememies of freedom are the leaders of the world who fail to seek out peace.
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RE: Bush Comment On Kerry's Mil. Service

Mon Aug 30, 2004 7:35 pm

Kerry received medals for his tours in Vietnam ..... what were they for?

No one is sure...

There where 17 campaigns in all of Vietnam in which a person could earn a Silver star. Somehow, Kerry earned four while participating in two of the 17 eligible campaigns. Maybe he borrowed two of them or something.

None of Kerry's actions were significant to have earned a "V" on any awards, yet he has one. Truely amazing.

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